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Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 06, 1999 at 19:55:12:

Does anyone know if there is any difference between these two labs for the Candida Immune Complexes Assay. Also, does anyone know of a doctor (allopathic or naturopathic) who administers this test in Vancouver, BC, Canada.

Thanking you in advance,

Doug (Rob Roy)



Re: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing

Posted by
Robert McFerran on November 06, 1999 at 21:46:45:

In Reply to: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing posted by Rob Roy on November 06, 1999 at 19:55:12:

Doug,

There is a BIG difference between the two tests.

I think that all the GSDL test measures is antibodies to candida albicans.

The Antibody Assays test measures the IMMUNE COMPLEXES that form as a result of candida overload. The large molecules contain IgG Candida antibodies, Candida antigens (candida albicans), and fragments of complement. Immune complexes are present in direct proportion to the candida antigen load.

As an aside I find it intriguing that researchers have and are continuing to develop very specific blood filtration devices that remove these large immune complexes. One such system is manufactured by Prosorba and has shown promise in rheumatoid arthritis. The only problem is that large immune complexes re-form and symptoms recur -- demanding more blood filtration.

Of course if you can heal the leaky gut the production of these large immune complexes is greatly reduced.

As far as finding a physician in your area I'd go to AAL's home page and send an e-mail or call.

Bob



Re: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 06, 1999 at 23:59:00:

In Reply to: Re: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing posted by Robert McFerran on November 06, 1999 at 21:46:45:

Bob,

Thanks for the info and speedy reply.

doug



Re: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 1999 at 12:21:17:

In Reply to: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing posted by Rob Roy on November 06, 1999 at 19:55:12:

Hi, Rob Roy.

I still say that ther is no reliable laboratory test for candida. The last research I saw (about a year ago) said that, at that date, the questionaire in Dr Crook's book was still more accurate than any lab test.

Walt



Re: CFS & the yeast connection? by Drs. William and Cynthia Crook?

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 07, 1999 at 19:33:37:

In Reply to: Re: Great Smokiew vs. AAL for Candida Immune Testing posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 1999 at 12:21:17:

Dr. Stoll,

Is the above book the correct one?

Thanking you in advance,

Doug



Scored 317 - I'm assuming the AAL test is no longer required. Bob and Walt

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 08, 1999 at 00:09:50:

In Reply to: Re: CFS & the yeast connection? by Drs. William and Cynthia Crook? posted by Rob Roy on November 07, 1999 at 19:33:37:

Dr. Stoll and Bob,

I bought the Yeast Connection Handbood today and scored the questionaire. My score was 317. Oh, Well... just one more piece of the puzzle I guess.

Based on this result I'm assuming that the Candida Immune Complexes Test will probably yield a positive, and therefore, is not necessary

Thanking you in advance for any and all help,

Doug (Rob Roy)



Re: Scored 317 - I'm assuming the AAL test is no longer required. Bob and Walt

Posted by
Robert McFerran on November 08, 1999 at 00:52:39:

In Reply to: Scored 317 - I'm assuming the AAL test is no longer required. Bob and Walt posted by Rob Roy on November 08, 1999 at 00:09:50:

Hi Doug,

Dr. Stoll and I disagree on the AAL immune complexes test :)

If it is easy to do would you post the questionaire that you used. I'd be interested to see how some folks with fibromyalgia would score (that know they don't have candidiasis).

One advantage is that there is VERY good correlation with the test results and the effectiveness of the therapy that you are using. As you reduce your candida overload the immune complexes levels drop.

There is little doubt that you have candidiasis but if you find that after 3-6 months of treatment that your symptoms are not improving you can check your immune complexes level to see if what you are doing is effective.

You don't have to wait to have the test done before beginning treatment for your candidiasis.

Bob



Re: Diflucan Testimonials anyone?

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 08, 1999 at 03:56:34:

In Reply to: Re: Scored 317 - I'm assuming the AAL test is no longer required. Bob and Walt posted by Robert McFerran on November 08, 1999 at 00:52:39:

Bob,

I'll get started with the questionaire this week. It would be good if there was a way to incorporate an excel file in some way. Unfortunately, I'm not an expert on the computer yet, but I do have other engineering friends who are. I'll see if they can lead me towards an effective way of doing this.

By the way thanks for the advise. I bought the book the yeast connection handbook today and read it cover to cover. The author, Dr. Crook, outlines his program which involves using Diflucan (200 mg once per day for 3 days and then 100 mg per day). He then adds Nystatin (1,000,000 units 4 times per day) after 2 weeks. Modifications are made as needed depending on the outcome. If this protocol does not illicit change he changes to Sporanox or Nizoral. He does not recommend any medication until dietary modifications have taken place, and he highly recommends an e-diet. I know there's been a lot of discussion regarding the effectiveness and safety of Diflucan vs. Nystatin.

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with Diflucan to share.

Cheers,

Doug (Rob Roy)



Re: Please ignore the above post - answers are in the archieves

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 08, 1999 at 04:34:22:

In Reply to: Re: Diflucan Testimonials anyone? posted by Rob Roy on November 08, 1999 at 03:56:34:





Re: CFS & the yeast connection? by Drs. William and Cynthia Crook?

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 08, 1999 at 10:35:48:

In Reply to: Re: CFS & the yeast connection? by Drs. William and Cynthia Crook? posted by Rob Roy on November 07, 1999 at 19:33:37:

Hi, Doug.

No, but it will do.

Walt



Re: What book has the questionaire for Candida?

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 08, 1999 at 10:44:58:

In Reply to: Re: CFS & the yeast connection? by Drs. William and Cynthia Crook? posted by Walt Stoll on November 08, 1999 at 10:35:48:

Walt:

What specific book (or whatever) has the "questionaire" you so often recommend for Candida? I used the search engine and I found a place where you said, "so many books", but it did not indicate a specific one.

I want this info (the book reference, not the whole test) to put into the Glossary. But it might be nice if the whole test was available. Whatever works best.

Thanks,
RocketHealer Jim++



Re: Never Mind! - I found it on-line!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 08, 1999 at 10:49:32:

In Reply to: Re: What book has the questionaire for Candida? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 08, 1999 at 10:44:58:

Never Mind! - I found it on-line at http://www.eastparkresearch.com/candidatest.html (linked below). I'll add this to the Glossary later when I update it next.



Re: Never Mind! - I found it on-line! Thanks Rockethealer Jim

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 08, 1999 at 14:28:16:

In Reply to: Re: Never Mind! - I found it on-line! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 08, 1999 at 10:49:32:

Rockethealer,

Thanks for the link. That's much easier than what I had in mind.

doug (Rob Roy)



Re: What book has the questionaire for Candida?

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 09, 1999 at 11:22:24:

In Reply to: Re: What book has the questionaire for Candida? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 08, 1999 at 10:44:58:

Gee, RocketHealer Jim.

I don't know. This is the first time I have had anyone ask that question. I DO know that it is in his first book: "The Yeast Connection" and would be surprised if it is not in every one of his later books. It has become a standard in the field. I know it is in many other authors' books on the subject and referenced to him.

You DO have a knack for asking the best questions!

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Since it's on the Web in several places - doesn't really matter what book it's in, after all! :-)

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 09, 1999 at 11:40:18:

In Reply to: Re: What book has the questionaire for Candida? posted by Walt Stoll on November 09, 1999 at 11:22:24:

Since I found it on the web in several versions, I don't care so much about what books to find it in after all.

By the way, I printed one test out and did it for my dear wife the RN with everything in the world chronically wrong with her.

She scored 211 In this particular test>

They say that a score of:
1-30 indicates Candida is in balance.
31-40 is normal, but Candida needs to be watched.
41-55 indicates moderate C diet and treatment of C symptoms.
56+ indicates severe C and Full C treatment.

So basically she's off the scale with her 211! :-)

But sadly, she does not believe in Candida. Mentioning things like this just puts her on the defensive.So I won't waste my time sharing this test result with her.

RHJ++



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