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Herpanacine

Posted by Diamond-Herpanacine Associates on November 10, 1998 at 09:56:25:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

Below is a post that we found about our product Herpanacine.

Since you are obviously not familiar with our product, we do not expect you to recommend it. However, it seems to me too bad that you would feel the need to dismiss it out of hand, without even taking the time to research the formula at all.

There are tens of thousands of satisfied customers of Herpanacine worldwide. Did you speak with one of them? Did you check with any of your local health food stores to find out how their customers are doing? Did you check any of the books that recommend Herpanacine, including "Prescription For Nutritional Healing" and "Healthy Healing?"

Did you contact us and request information? We'd be happy to send you some.

We're not asking for a blanket testimonial from you, just a fair shake!

Sincerely,


Diamond-Herpanacine Associates

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Herpanacine

Posted by Sue on May 08, 1998 at 20:43:03:

What are your thoughts regarding the safety and/or effectiveness of taking Herpanacine with regards to skin problems such as eczema?

FYI, the contents are: l-lysine hcl, l-tyrosine, vitamine e, dandelion leaf, sarsaparilla root, astralgus root, vitamine a, ligustrum berry, echinacea root and selenium.

Thank you.

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Re: Herpanacine

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 11, 1998 at 09:19:58:

In Reply to: Herpanacine posted by Sue on May 08, 1998 at 20:43:03:

Dear Sue,

Even if this worked, it is just another "treatment" & the benefits would almost certainly be temporary. I am assuming that you are interested in something permanent.

Theere is a link to this 'site that goes to a goes to a good herbologist's 'site if you want to pursue the herbal stuff. If it works, at least is would be safer than any other conventional treatment I know.

Use the archives feature for this bb & read about eczema AND psoriasis (since both have the same basic causes). If they are not yet archived, send a note to my son, Bill, who does all the technical parts for this bb, & see when they will be done. you could start a note just like you did here & just put his name in the title to draw his attention.

Walt


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Re: Herpanacine

Posted by Peggy on November 10, 1998 at 10:35:23:

In Reply to: Herpanacine posted by Diamond-Herpanacine Associates on November 10, 1998 at 09:56:25:


Dr. Stoll did not dismiss Herpanacine. He simply told her that it would not be a permanent cure to her eczema and encouraged her to get to the root cause of her eczema. I'm sure Walt would say, "The cause of eczema is not a Herpanacine deficiency." He even went on to say that the Herpancine would be a safe treatment compared to the conventional options. Dr. Stoll does not condone covering up symptoms, he likes to see things permanently resolved. Are you saying that upon discontinuing the herpanacine, the condition is permanently gone?

Peggy




Re: Herpanacine

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 11, 1998 at 10:40:22:

In Reply to: Herpanacine posted by Diamond-Herpanacine Associates on November 10, 1998 at 09:56:25:

Dear D-HA,

Please see response from "Peggy".

You are right! However, I say the same thing about ALL things people can take for chronic conditions. My statement has been for years: "Chronic conditions will never be permanently resolved by something you TAKE but by something you DO!" I stand by that statement.

I have no doubt that your product can give temporary benefits (even years) for many chronic conditions. I am talking about forever. If my statement conveyed anythng detrimental about YOUR product, I apologize.

I really don't know how this slipped through anyhow since our policy is to delete the discussion about any trademarked product as soon as it is detected--precisely to avoid something like this.

I hope you will see this before all this is deleted. If you prefer this final note be left on for a while, let me know right away.

Walt



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Re: Discussing trademarked products

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 11, 1998 at 11:06:58:

In Reply to: Re: Herpanacine posted by Walt Stoll on November 11, 1998 at 10:40:22:

Just curious what the recent thinking is on the "hazzards" of discussing trademarked products here.

Yes, I've read the warning at the top of the post engine.

Other discussion groups talk about opinions about trademarked products all the time. Just say "Windows" or "Mac" and you've "talked" about a trademarked product. Whether or not you try to put in the little TM symbol or not, I doubt makes much difference. Some people swear by certain products, others swear at them! :-) Loudly and Often!

An obvious "blast" of a product (any product, person, or recognizable organization [AMA anyone?], for that matter) I can see potential legal difficulties with). Is it libel or slander, I get the two mixed up.

But a "what about xyz?" question replied to with one's personal experience or with something (real or even imagined) about how it works or why it might work only on symptoms, etc. I just don't immediately see the legal concern, and I assume that is what you are talking about.

I have another friend who "polices" his multiple health-related discussion groups several times a day, fearful of someone saying something Verboten there. Only rarely does he delete a post. Usually that is due to foul language or MLM marketing schemes. Never health content, at least never that I have heard of. Mentioning him, I'll put in a plug for his site :-) zonehome.com click on Talk for the many discussion groups there.

So what's all the "TM squalk" about, anyway?

Requested information will be used for "educational" purposes only.

RocketHealer Jim++




Re: Herpanacine

Posted by Bill on November 12, 1998 at 18:07:26:

In Reply to: Re: Herpanacine posted by Walt Stoll on November 11, 1998 at 10:40:22:

I emailed Diamond-Herpanacine Associates offering to remove all references to herpanacine from our site and apologizing if they took offense, and here is the response I got.

Bill

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Dear Bill,

Thanks very much for getting back to me on my post so quickly.

I do not want you remove our product from your web site at all.
In fact, I think what Dr. Stoll does is important and helps many
people. I also think it unfair for companies to try to regulate
what you can or cannot say. In fact, I would not even mind if Dr.
Stoll came out and said negative things about our or anyone else's
product -- but only if he had found a reason to truly believe that
product didn't work or was harmful.

It seemed pretty obvious from his return post that Dr. Stoll was
not familiar with our formula at all. I just felt that Dr. Stoll
has a responsibility to take the time to research products before
discussing them.

It would not be appropriate for me to try and do a sales pitch on
our product on your web site, and if I were someone reading the
posts and saw an employee of a company talking about their own
product, I would believe, rightfully so, that that person had
ulterior motive. We are not trying to make any outlandish claims.

I don't want Dr. Stoll to take our word that Herpanacine works, I
just wish that he looked into it a little more. We have had enough
customers and health food stores say positive things about Herpanacine
that we feel totally comfortable with your finding completely
impartial third parties and seeing what they have to say.

Thanks,


Jay Diamond Herpanacine Associates

P.S. Feel free to post this note to your bulletin board if you'd
like.



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Re: Herpanacine

Posted by Bill on November 12, 1998 at 18:26:26:

In Reply to: Re: Herpanacine posted by Bill on November 12, 1998 at 18:07:26:

...and here's the msg I sent to Jay in response.

Bill

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Hi Jay (cc Dad)

Thanks for the voice of sanity :) We have been threatened with
suits in the past for this level of "negative".

> I do not want you remove our product from your web site at all.
> In fact, I think what Dr. Stoll does is important and helps many
> people. I also think it unfair for companies to try to regulate
> what you can or cannot say. In fact, I would not even mind if Dr.
> Stoll came out and said negative things about our or anyone else's
> product -- but only if he had found a reason to truly believe that
> product didn't work or was harmful.
>
> It seemed pretty obvious from his return post that Dr. Stoll was
> not familiar with our formula at all. I just felt that Dr. Stoll
> has a responsibility to take the time to research products before
> discussing them.

Does Herpanacine have a website?

I have a question: do you believe that Herpanacine cures eczema
permanently? My guess is it provides relief, or cures the current
iteration (can you tell I'm a programmer) but that it doesn't deal
with the underlying causes. This means that the eczema may recur
and require more treatment.

This doesn't mean we say that Herpanacine "doesn't work". It
depends on how you define "work".

My dad suggests that making certain lifestyle choices (exercise,
diet, and especially skilled relaxation) will permanently cure
eczema and a host of other chronic conditions. One main purpose of
our site is to promote this fact.

We believe/hope that the paradigm "there is a pill for every illness"
is dying. There will always be a place for symptom-relieving
medication, since it can restore the resources a person needs to
go after the lifestyle-related causes.

> It would not be appropriate for me to try and do a sales pitch on
> our product on your web site, and if I were someone reading the
> posts and saw an employee of a company talking about their own
> product, I would believe, rightfully so, that that person had
> ulterior motive. We are not trying to make any outlandish claims.

It would be perfectly fine for you to pitch Herpanacine on our
website! If an ad was posted every day or every week, that might
be a bit much :) But I personally think this sort of debate is
wonderful.

One other thought: Dr Stoll often recommends that people do non-
permanent cures, but always tells them that if they don't deal
with the underlying causes, the condition (or something worse)
will likely return.

Peace,
Bill

PS I did post your note to our website, thanks! I'm posting this
one too.



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Re: Herpanacine

Posted by Bill on November 17, 1998 at 17:16:01:

In Reply to: Re: Herpanacine posted by Bill on November 12, 1998 at 18:26:26:

And here's Jay's response:

Bill

--
Dear Bill,

I got your return message. I'll answer all your questions as well
as I can.

<< Does Herpanacine have a website? >>

Yes, our website is at www.diamondformulas.com.

<< I have a question: do you believe that Herpanacine cures eczema
permanently? My guess is it provides relief, or cures the current
iteration (can you tell I'm a programmer) but that it doesn't deal
with the underlying causes. This means that the eczema may recur
and require more treatment. >>

Well, obviously we can make no claims that Herpanacine will cure
everyone's eczema (or other skin conditions) completely. However,
it does help to build up the immune system and remove toxins from
the skin and blood. We have many customers who have said that
Herpanacine has stopped symptoms on an ongoing basis. Dr. Diamond,
who is a Naturopathic Physician and Psychotherapist in Philadelphia
and who created Herpanacine and other formulas, is a strong believer,
like Dr. Stoll, in not just masking the symptoms but trying to take
care of the root of the problems. But it is always possible the
condition will recur down the line and more treatment will be
needed.

<< This doesn't mean we say that Herpanacine "doesn't work". It
depends on how you define "work". >>

Well, I can tell you how Herpanacine works.

One of the causes of chronic skin conditions is a weakened immune
function. One of the reasons for this weakness is neurological
absorption of anxiety. The L-Tyrosine in Herpanacine helps to
build resistance to this stress. The brainwaves can then support
the glands to support immune function. All of the herbs in
Herpanacine combine to help build up the immune function against
chronic skin outbreaks. The P.H. is another issue Herpanacine
helps to balance, especially in relation to too much acidity, which
can irritate the skin enough to stimulate outbreaks.

<< My dad suggests that making certain lifestyle choices (exercise,
diet, and especially skilled relaxation) will permanently cure
eczema and a host of other chronic conditions. One main purpose
of our site is to promote this fact. >>

Dr. Diamond agrees with you completely and includes a list of
dietary suggestions to not only help the Herpanacine work but also
for healthy daily life. Dr. Diamond is a strong proponent od the
Mind/Body Connection and believes physical and mental wellbeing
are usually intertwined.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us.


Jay Diamond-Herpanacine Associates




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