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Candida and GSE

Posted by Martha on December 10, 1998 at 15:23:53:

I have been trying grapefruit seed extract brand Nutribiotic for the past couple of weeks. There is a web site that has a great deal of info or type in Citricidal or Nutribiotic. Although no side effects are reported, I have noticed a kind of irritated
stomach. I reduced the dosage to 5 drops in a cup of water with one meal per day and that is ok. Now I am trying it twice a day. It can also be used topically, diluted of
course. As far as I can tell, it reduces symptoms but I need to continue GSE longer. The taste is very bitter, no
better than nystatin. The recommended dosage is 5-15 drops in 5 oz. water or juice 2-3 times a day. It is certainly worth trying and not expensive. I keep on the whole foods diet, too, with difficulty. Anyone else who has used GSE
please add your experience. Martha




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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by Robert McFerran on December 10, 1998 at 18:02:28:

In Reply to: Candida and GSE posted by Martha on December 10, 1998 at 15:23:53:

Martha,

I've been experimenting a bit with the grapefruit seed extract too. I have no doubt of it's fungicidal properties in the mouth and throat.

I am a bit concerned that the active ingredient is also bacteriacidal for the 'good' bacterial populating the colon. I don't believe that GSE is 'specific' only for bad bacteria and yeast.

Bob


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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by d on December 10, 1998 at 20:44:11:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by Robert McFerran on December 10, 1998 at 18:02:28:

i've read, but can't quote the source since it's beem about a year and a half, that it does not diminish the beneficial bacteria, but the online sites i've been to are contradictory. btw, i haven't said it for awhile...your posts here are greatly appreciated.


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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by Robert McFerran on December 10, 1998 at 20:51:03:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by d on December 10, 1998 at 20:44:11:

Thanks D,

Both for your generous comments and info on the GSE.

I don't doubt what you read but if the active ingredient in the GSE is a naturally occurring quaternary compound I would be hard pressed to believe that it wouldn't wreak some havoc with beneficial bacteria -- especially in the mouth and colon. I'll give the distributor a call and see if he can shed any more light.

Bob


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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by Sara on December 11, 1998 at 10:27:10:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by Robert McFerran on December 10, 1998 at 20:51:03:

Bob,

I am taking GSE for candida, and according to a book I have on the subject, there appears to be minimal affect on beneficial bacteria if the GSE is taken in recommended doses. In the book "The Authoritative Guide to Grapefruit Seed Extract" by Allan Sachs D.C., C.C.N., he writes:

"While massive doses of GSE are likely to compromise beneficial flora such as Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium residing in the digestive and urogenital tracts, typically recommended doses of GSE do not appear to have this effect. GSE may actually assist the growth of the beneficial bacteria by inhibiting pathogenic microbes which compete with the beneficial flora."

This is based on the findings of numerous labs, one of which is Great Smokies Labs. Hope this info helps.

Sara


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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by john h on December 11, 1998 at 10:46:09:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by Robert McFerran on December 10, 1998 at 20:51:03:

i took gse ( actually in a formula called agrisept)for a while , i dont take it a lot( one dose per day a few days a week) and used it mostly as a mouth wash and to clean foods etc.taken it internally didnt seem to hurt me at all actually my good bacteria counts( per several great smokies cdsa tests) went up considerably 1+ to 4+. i was also taking undecenoic acid derived from castor bean at the same time. that always scares me though ( the part about destroying good bacteria, i never know who to believe.)at times im both afraid to take something and not to take something to kill parasites/candida/bad bacteria etc.



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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by Robert McFerran on December 11, 1998 at 12:41:29:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by Sara on December 11, 1998 at 10:27:10:

Sarah,

Thanks for contributing more information to the discussion.

I would think that small amounts of the GSE (recommended doses) probably wouldn't interfere too much with our good colonic bacteria and would be very effective as an amoebacide (one reason why I'll be carrying GSE with me whenever I travel outside the country) yet, generally speaking, candida albicans (especially the fungal form) would seemingly be more resiliant to ANY broad spectrum microbicide than gram positive bacteria.

Of course there could be other mechanisms (direct or indirect) in which the GSE is successful. How it effects general immunity of the individual (once again directly or indirectly) is the wild card.

If it works I'll recommend it even if I don't understand how.

Thanks again,

Bob



Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by Robert McFerran on December 11, 1998 at 12:49:31:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by john h on December 11, 1998 at 10:46:09:

John,

Your test results from the comprehensive stool analysis would certainly suggest that what you were doing helped matters.

Did the results show any change in the presence of yeasts?

Did you have any candida antibody blood work run to confirm candida overload?

Bob


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Re: Candida and GSE

Posted by john h on December 11, 1998 at 13:22:34:

In Reply to: Re: Candida and GSE posted by Robert McFerran on December 11, 1998 at 12:49:31:

sorry , i should have added that. yes my candida albicans count went from a 3+ to a zero, but i dont know that the gse was responsible for that , i had taken diflucan for a while. no parasites showed up ( im sure they were/are there anyway). early on i had a candida atibody blood test , it came up negative.hope that helps.




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