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Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 12:02:25:

Dr. Stoll, you recently made a post and now I'm confused about CR-S. Sorry if I got this wrong, but I think you said that Candida only become systemic with AIDS or certain cancers.

In a NORMAL person (i.e., withOUT AIDS or cancer), if they have CR-S and LGS, doesn't the yeast get into the blood stream via the gut lining? And isn't this systemic yeast? How is this different from those with AIDS and cancer?




Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by labrat [1119.74] on January 26, 2006 at 12:25:24:

In Reply to: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 12:02:25:

I'll give this a shot.

In a normal person, the candida (yeast) damages the gut lining so that larger proteins get into the bloodstream and cause immune responses. The yeast itself hangs out in the gut lining.

I think the definition of "systemic" is what confuses things.

Hope that helps (and hope I am corrected if wrong!)

~~~8>



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 14:00:49:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by labrat [1119.74] on January 26, 2006 at 12:25:24:

Thanks, Labrat,

I had a darkfied/microscopy (live blood cell) test, and they pointed out white spots which were supposedly yeast cells. My doctor (an M.D.) told me that I had systemic yeast. The candida antibodies were high as well. (I don't have AIDS or cancer).

So now I'm really confused.

Sapphire



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Steve [3019.1399] on January 26, 2006 at 14:29:23:

In Reply to: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 12:02:25:

Sapphire,

I thought CRS was Can't Remember S**T :)

Silver Fox!



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by labrat [1119.74] on January 26, 2006 at 15:02:56:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 14:00:49:

I had a candida antibody blood test that showed high antibodies as well, though nobody ever told me I had it in my blood...I guess we'll both await Dr. Stoll's response!

~~~8>

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Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 17:49:29:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Steve [3019.1399] on January 26, 2006 at 14:29:23:

lol, yeah, I have that, too :)

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Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Naya [120.14] on January 26, 2006 at 22:18:21:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 14:00:49:

Hi Sapphire. From what I understand from all my reading and from what various docs have told me, it is possible to have systemic candida without having AIDS or cancer. Maybe I'm wrong, but what labrat says makes sense. That's the explanation I always got.

Crook says in his book that once the "feet" of the yeast cells penetrate the intestinal walls, the candida then enters the bloodstream. This is how you end up with symptoms such as rashes, etc.

Naya

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Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 27, 2006 at 07:31:47:

In Reply to: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 26, 2006 at 12:02:25:

Thanks, Sapphire.

I hope this explanation clears up any confusion you, or anyone else, may have about this:

No one REALLY knows how this works BUT a prevailing theory is that the conventional medical view is hopelessly simplistic and unless the actual structural organism gets into the blood stream (a terminal event in the process) that the problem does not exist. This is akin to saying that, unless the person actually has scurvy, that there are no effects from having lower than optimal vitamin C!

C-RS is a descriptive term for the long process of chronic overgrowth of the vegetative form of candida in the gut and the systemic, toxic effects of the waste products, immunological systemic effects and the growth of the mycelia into the gut wall. This all happens before the person's immunology is totally over whelmed and the conventional medical mind can see it. ANY idiot can make THAT diagnosis--in my opinion.

Eliminating the candida overgrowth in the gut stops all the symptoms due to this process, which the conventional medical community says does not exist. Of course they cannot understand why the individual is now well but start doubletalking and urging the patient out of the room. I know that there are many people on the BB who have had exactly that experience.

So far, LGS has not been a sufficient pathology to allow candida to escape into the blood stream.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 27, 2006 at 07:34:02:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by labrat [1119.74] on January 26, 2006 at 12:25:24:

Thanks, Labrat.

Good!

Walt

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Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 27, 2006 at 07:51:07:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S posted by Steve [3019.1399] on January 26, 2006 at 14:29:23:

Thanks, Silver Fox!

My first grin of the day!

Walt

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Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION

Posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 27, 2006 at 18:52:58:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 27, 2006 at 07:31:47:

Dr. Stoll,


I had two live blood cell (darkfield microscopy) tests. The first blood sample was sent out to the company to interpret and the result came back saying: "fungal forms" seen.

The second time, the nurse at the office had been trained to interpret the sample. I saw the blood sample on the monitor and there were macrophages and other moving objects in the blood... very cool. She also kept pointing to these white floating objects in the blood which were supposed to be yeast. She said most people she tests have yeast that shows up in the blood like this... more yeast shows up in some people, less in others, she said. It seems like since yeast is pretty much everywhere, then the blood sample could become contaminated with yeast as soon as it gets exposed to air when the blood drop hits the glass slide. (if these white spots were even yeast).

Anyway, just one question: I am wondering, is there a definitive test that diagnoses yeast or fungus in the blood?

Thank you in advance for your reply,

Sapphire



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 28, 2006 at 07:22:59:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 27, 2006 at 18:52:58:

Thanks, Sapphire.

We, too, were taught (by the Liv-Cell people) that these incomnplete fungal forms were actually cell wall deficient forms of candida.

However, further study and experience convinced us that those shapes were just protein coagulations perhaps produced by immunological responses to the fungal form of candida in the gut.

Until the conventional medical microbiology pathology (terminal) is positive I know of no way to tell.

Hope this helps.

Walt




Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION

Posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 28, 2006 at 15:30:31:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 28, 2006 at 07:22:59:

Dr. Stoll,

Thank you, this is all making a lot of sense so far, but still I want to be clear as to what you are saying.

You say:

"C-RS is a descriptive term for the long process of chronic overgrowth of the vegetative form of candida in the gut and the systemic, toxic effects of the waste products, immunological systemic effects and the growth of the mycelia into the gut wall."


Okay, I understand that part.

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But the next sentence is not clear to me... you say:

"This all happens before the person's immunology is totally overwhelmed and the conventional medical mind can see it. ANY idiot can make THAT diagnosis--in my opinion."

By saying "this happens before...," are you saying that C-RS can eventually progress to a point where the person's immunology is totally overwhelmed such that the conventional medical mind can then see it?

And what markers would be in the blood once it reaches that point which would make conventional docs able to see it?

Is it still just C-RS at this point, or has it evolved to systemic candida/candidiasis?

Sapphire



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 29, 2006 at 06:54:23:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 28, 2006 at 15:30:31:

Thanks, Sapphire.

I have never seen or heard of C-RS progressing to the terminal disease recognized by the conventional physician UNLESS one of the complicating factors (radiation, chemotherapy, AIDS, etc.) are also present.

I think that the changes the LivCell people are calling candida are good indications of the presence of the C-RS in the gut. However, unless the physician is trained to look beyond his conventional education, there is nothing but a frowny face showing under the microscope that is going to convince him that "There are more things in heaven and earth than are drempt of in his philosophy!"

It is just C-RS until the actual organism can be seen in the blood---a terminal event.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION

Posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on January 29, 2006 at 18:53:28:

In Reply to: Re: Q for Dr. Stoll regarding CR-S (Archive.) EXPLANATION posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 29, 2006 at 06:54:23:

Hi Dr. Stoll,

Okay, now I understand. Thank you SO much!

Sapphire

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