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Posted by
Judy on October 17, 2000 at 19:06:34:

I have severe LGS and over the last two years tried 2 different probiotics each with FOS. I know FOS is suppose to help good bacteria grow, but both times my yeast overgrowth symptoms resurfaced with a vengence. Will appreciate any recommendations to help re-establish normal flora. Is Dioxyclor safe and effective?



Re: LGS

Posted by
June on October 17, 2000 at 19:41:27:

In Reply to: LGS posted by Judy on October 17, 2000 at 19:06:34:

Hi, Judy

Have you studied and implemented dietary changes? There are many good suggestions archived here at Dr. Stoll's 'site.

I'm sorry I don't know the answer about Dioxyclor.

June



Re: LGS

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 18, 2000 at 08:53:30:

In Reply to: LGS posted by Judy on October 17, 2000 at 19:06:34:

Hi, Judy.

This is an example of what I have said so many times: "Chronic problems will NEVER be resolved by something you TAKE but by something you DO."

HOw are you doing with your SR?

Walt



more important than SR

Posted by Walt G. on October 24, 2000 at 00:15:28:

In Reply to: Re: LGS posted by Walt Stoll on October 18, 2000 at 08:53:30:

Severe LGS will only respond to treatment. You need to eliminate allergens from your diet. You need to treat the Candida FIRST! The reason the supplement with FOS didn't work, is because FOS can faciltate yeast proliferation in an already unbalanced intestinal tract. There is no way you will heal a leaky gut with candida screwing you up inside. You can't relax candida out of your body. SR is of secondary importance but it should be used. It helps balance your hormones so that you keep your flora in check. It helps nourish your adrenal glands too. Find a doctor who understands these problems. I did, and now I am well.

Walt G



Re: more important than SR (Probably nothing.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 26, 2000 at 08:33:22:

In Reply to: more important than SR posted by Walt G. on October 24, 2000 at 00:15:28:

Thanks, Walt.

I appreciate the testimonial. It will likely help others.

The main thing I got from it is that you haven't the slightest concept of what the SR is for. No one "relaxes their way out of LGS"! If you really want to understand it, read ANY of Hans Selye, MD's work. After all he is the acknowledged world master in how chronic stress-efect changes physiology.

Walt



Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything)

Posted by Walt G. on October 26, 2000 at 22:24:12:

In Reply to: Re: more important than SR (Probably nothing.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 26, 2000 at 08:33:22:

Hello Dr. Stoll,

A appreciate your comment. I personally don't believe that one has to take time out to purposely try to get into the state of mind you are suggesting in order to heal leaky gut. If one spent 40 minutes a day in SR and the rest of the day running rampant, it is like having the heat and air-conditioning on at the same time. It is virtually useless. I have proved this by healing my Leaky gut in 3 months with no SR whatsoever. What I did do, is I changed my lifestyle from stressful to as least stressful as possible. I maintain a fairly stress-free day all the way through. In this way, I am treating my chronic bracing in a more thorough way. I sleep for 1-2 hours in the afternoon if I feel the need. If not, I don't. I just listen to my body. I think that makes more sense than a band-aid approach like SR. Medical testing has proved that it can be done without SR. I did it. I must have a clue about something because it has been months without a single set back. I understand perfectly the concept of SR. I just don't think it makes sense to stop there. There are nutrients that are scientifically proven to help heal the leaky gut. Why not use them? The only way to overcome leaky gut in the long run is to adopt a more stress-free liefestyle, avoid allergens, clean and rebuild the digestive system. I should understand this. I have been there. have you ever suffered from leaky gut and chemical sensitivities before doctor?

Walt G.



What exactly did you do?

Posted by
Rich on October 26, 2000 at 22:30:03:

In Reply to: Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything) posted by Walt G. on October 26, 2000 at 22:24:12:

Hi Walt.

I am currently trying to heal my leaky gut and get rid of candida. I also believe that a comprehensive approach is important but it is so hard to figure out exaclty what to do. I read that you are seing Dr. Biamonte. I am too. I like his approach very much. I have been with him 3 months but I haven't accomplished what you have. You seem so sure of yourself. What did you do? Did you so something different? Did you have a candida problem too?

Rich



Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything)

Posted by
June on October 26, 2000 at 22:48:57:

In Reply to: Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything) posted by Walt G. on October 26, 2000 at 22:24:12:

Hi Walt

I think its great you feel better. You know, there has been a lot of encouragement and discussion about nutritional approaches to LGS and I never got the impression that SR was touted as a cure-all and I certainly don't understand why you think it is a band-aid approach.

The regular practice of SR helps to discharge stress and is one of the lifestyle changes which I can see benefit LGS through overall wellness (health improvement).

The thing is, you did have leaky gut. Why did you get it? Could your approach to dealing with it be more of a band-aid solution that practicing relaxation regularly?

Stress is not just changing your channel to elevator music instead of heavy metal, to analogize. Walt explains what stress is in the context discussed on his website in the article I've linked below. Since you have experienced chemical sensitivities before perhaps it will make perfect sense.

In my health coaching protocol with Walt be assured that after an hour and 45 minutes, nor on the board, have I ever felt like he suggested doing SR and stopping there; that's just a vast oversimplification of his body of work, with which I'm very familiar.

Meanwhile, like Rich, I would love to hear more about the things you've done that have made a difference. Its very much more a lengthy process for some of us and I wish we all had the speedy results you've had. Please tell us more!

June



Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything) (Sigh!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 28, 2000 at 08:54:46:

In Reply to: Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything) posted by Walt G. on October 26, 2000 at 22:24:12:

Walt,

Good luck!

Knowledge will never hurt you. IF you do not learn and practice SR, with what you have, your symptoms will eventually return no matter what you do.

Will you be man enough to admit it when they do?

Walt



Doc, thank you. Please read. Not arguing

Posted by
Walt G. on October 28, 2000 at 18:52:28:

In Reply to: Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything) (Sigh!) posted by Walt Stoll on October 28, 2000 at 08:54:46:

Please answer me this. How can 40 minutes of SR help when the next 12 hours of the person's day is running rampant? Most people have a hard time slowing down. They only do it for that 40 minutes and when they sleep. Other than that, most people are continually stressed. How does this time make up for the rest of the day? Isn't a better solution learning to low key yourself and pace yourself throughout the day to prevent bracing to begin with? SR is skilled relaxation correct? It is relaxing. Relaxing with intent. Why not relax yourself through the day. The benefits are enormous. This is what I am doing. My symptoms will not return if stress is the main cause of them. Help me understand if you have the time. I have looked it up in the archives and have found what I have been hearing on this board ever since. Thanks you

Walt G.



my approach

Posted by
Walt G. on October 28, 2000 at 19:13:43:

In Reply to: Re: more important than SR? (Probably anything) posted by June on October 26, 2000 at 22:48:57:

hi. Thanks for your comments. I just wonder why it is such a long approach for a lot of people when they have such a powerful tool like SR. I used only nutrition and I cured it in 3 months. It wasn't hard and I had a bad case of LGS, candida, nutritional deficiencies and hormonal problems.

I got leaky gut because of a candida overgrowth. I don't believe it is the other way around like Walt suggests. Candida DIRECTLY causes leaky gut. This is why you NEVER see a person with leaky gut that doesn't have candida. It is bacterial flora content that decides the health of the intestines. By believing one can cure LGS with candida in the intestinal tract is to think you can rebuild a house with the walls on fire. This is why it is taking people with LGS so long to recover. They are waging a losing battle because they are trying to recover in the wrong order. I have proved this theory correct by doing it in 3 months. I have never heard another sucess story on this board about overcoming candida and leaky gut. That must say something about the approach people are using.

There is nothing wrong with doing relaxation. but I read the replies that Walt gives people. Lots of times they are looking for something else to do in conjunction with the SR. His only reply is "Only SR will cure it in the long-run". Sometimes it doesn't even matter what you say. He gives the same response over and over. I think a better strategy is to learn to deal with stressors as they come and to stay in a relatively relaxed state all day. I do it and I do it rather well. If I find myself getting out of hand, I might close my eyes and breath for 2 or 3 minutes but I never need more than that. I just don't think one can make up for a whole days dtress in 40 minutes or an hour. The thing of it is, I have results to back up my claims. I haven't heard one other person say "Walt help me cure my leaky gut". I am not saying that Walt hasn't helped people in other areas. He is very gracious to have set up this board to help people and to let people discuss their lives and thier problems. I just don't think he is very knowledgeable in Leaky gut and candida. He think leaky gut comes first. This is simply false. I have personally seen test results of a few hundred people with candida overgrowht that DID NOT have leaky gut as diagnosed by the lactose/mannitol drink. But, every person who was diagnosed with leaky gut had candida. This was a study performed by Dr. Sal in his practice in California of over 250 people with leaky gut syndrome and 250 people with candida overgrowth. The results speak for themselfves. 67% of the group diagnosed with candida overgrowth had leaky gut. 100% of the group diagnosed with leaky gut had candida overgrowth. This means that candida comes first! 33% of the group with candida did not yet develop leaky gut but 100% of the people with leaky gut had candida. Why? because the candida caused the leaky gut. Walt is treating it backwards. I just think he should stick to the subjects that he knows for sure. I listened to him when I first checked out this board over a year ago and I kept relapsing and getting nowhere. Then I found out his approach was incorrect so I guess I am a little sour at him now. No matter, I know the true nature of the problem and I fixed it using adequate nutritional methods.

walt G.



Re: Doc, thank you. Please read. Not arguing (me neither)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 30, 2000 at 09:10:42:

In Reply to: Doc, thank you. Please read. Not arguing posted by Walt G. on October 28, 2000 at 18:52:28:

Hi, Walt.

I appreciate your wanting to know.

You really need to become more knowlegable about SR and stress. I think I have given plenty of resources for learning.

One thing I harp on, over and over, is that effectively practiced SR is 24 times as effective (minute for minute) than sleep. Practiced correctly, one is actually getting 24 hours of sleep (stress reduction effectiveness) every 24 hours.

Walt



I just go to archives?

Posted by
Walt G. on October 30, 2000 at 23:35:29:

In Reply to: Re: Doc, thank you. Please read. Not arguing (me neither) posted by Walt Stoll on October 30, 2000 at 09:10:42:

Thank you Dr. Stoll. I must be doing SOMETHING right to have gotten this far? Don't you believe in nutrition as well as stress reduction? Don't they go hand in hand? Maybe I have been focusing too much on the nutrition end but it as gotten me really far. I just never thought of myself as stressed out as people make themselves out to be. I don't yell. I don't rush. I breath and speak in a relaxed manner. How much stress could I guy like me really have? It can't hurt to try it. I just need to know one thing without searching endlessly in the archives. Do you think that the most likely cause for LGS and candida is stress?

Is it ok to try an elimination diet now even though I have already eliminated the candida and leaky gut? I would be afraid that living on such a strange diet for a while might encourage the problem to relapse. I worked really hard at getting here and I don't want to lose it.

Walt G.



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