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Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc.

Posted by Lance [8267.8109] on August 19, 2009 at 17:46:12:

I saw my "natural" doctor Monday in Atlanta. It may be my last time visiting him. I think I have learned some things, but he is a little too expensive for my comfort. I am beginning to think he is not altogether honest. Maybe he is honest...just allows his pride to get in the way of his suggestions.

He suggests I take cortisol (he mentioned cortef). Of course, he cannot prescribe it since he is not an MD. He says that in the dosages he would recommend it would help with my pain and not be as disruptive to my system as prednisone. Is this true? He wants me to ask my GP to prescribe it.

Also, it is his belief that multiple stressors over the last few years have led to my RA. I believe this to be true. Thus, I think that practicing SR, where I reach the Relaxation Response regularly, is probably the most important component of 3LS for ME. I am PWFD for about 98% of all the food I eat. I am managing the exercise (albeit with some pain).

The “doc” in Atlanta thinks I need to go to his "retreat" area in FL for 2-3weeks where I can be coached by him on a daily basis. He thinks something this drastic is needed. I cannot get him to understand that in order to stay employed; I do not need to do this. I explained that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to de-stress knowing that I will likely be losing my job. At the very least I would be on Leave without pay, while paying him 150/day X 3weeks (his preference). I am a high school administrator and have set "vacation" time. I cannot choose to take off for 3 weeks in September.

When asking him to explain to me some of the practices he would implement while on the retreat, he says he cannot just list things. He works on an individual basis. I explained to him that I have access to a condo on the beach and that I would like to know of some of the practices he would employ, other than food (main thing he has ever explained), and he chose to provide no information.

I am prepared to maybe change jobs...go back into the classroom and teach. I would then put in fewer hours and have 9weeks off in the summer vs 5weeks. However, I am at least trying to maintain the good reputation I have built in my school system...I am not independently wealthy. He finds this explanation to be insufficient. He thinks I should just go if I am serious about my health. Is this a normal attitude? He also thinks taking any traditional RA meds is unacceptable and will not treat me if I use them.

Another question: Is eating 98% vs 100% PWFD going to LIKELY prevent me from reversing my autoimmune disease? Sometimes, not having the occasional beer or taking a bite of the homemade pie my mother has made is stressful for me. I am a very social person and like to have fun. I like "tail-gaiting", for those that are familiar, at football games and I see myself having a couple of beers at UGA home games this upcoming football season. Is this likely to cause a hindrance to my healing? If so, I will go to 100% PWFD all the time. (Again, most days I am 100%). However, being absolute is much more difficult and somewhat stressful.

BTW- Dr Stoll and Jan...I feel I have already been blessed by learning SR. I had never heard of Herbert Benson or a Relaxation Response before being led to this site and your book. It is truly amazing. My resting pulse rate is now in the low 50s, while being out-of-shape! BP is averaging about 115/65. Thank you for you insight and ongoing assistance.




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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc.

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.8083] on August 19, 2009 at 23:31:58:

In Reply to: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. posted by Lance [8267.8109] on August 19, 2009 at 17:46:12:

Hi Lance,

He doesn't sound like the right doctor to me. If he was, he would be trying to work with your limitations.

About the PWFD and going 100%. All I can say is, you could do a 2 week trial and see if it makes any difference for you. For SOME people, being perfect makes ALL the difference. You could also just do it for 6 months and see how that goes. Yes, it is not easy to follow the diet. I am writing a cookbook with what I have learned to help make it easier for others. (Won't be ready for a couple of years).

So glad to be of help. Keep learning and experimenting!

Best wishes,
Jan


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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on August 20, 2009 at 08:05:32:

In Reply to: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. posted by Lance [8267.8109] on August 19, 2009 at 17:46:12:

Thanks, Lance.

You remind me of my dad's favorite quote: "Ve get too soon oldt and too late smardt." Congratulations,

I agree that the SR is probably the most important part of the 3LS for you. It sounds like yoiur diet is good enough (listen to Jan). IF your exercies is underwater it may be enough whereas, if it is NOT underwater it may be damaging to you. Your best way to clean up this aspect of the 3LS woudl be to join one of the community programs for underwater aerobics,

In my opinion, your doc is trying to figure out a way to make the same income with "holistic medicine" as is possible with conventional medicine--something I learned very early on was not possible. You would be wise to move on.

Let us know how you do.

Walt


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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc.

Posted by lance [8267.8054] on August 20, 2009 at 13:10:39:

In Reply to: Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.8083] on August 19, 2009 at 23:31:58:

I have been 30 days strictly following the PWFD. I also did the elimination diet consisting of about 7 foods (sweet potato, parsnips, fish, carrots, celery, pears, lamb). That is all I ate for 7 days. I am still eating "clean" most of the time. It is just hard to be so strict while not seeing a benefit. However, my concern is that maybe it would take 6mos or a year to see the benefit (other than weight loss which I have seen). I have gone from 213-188. I am very lean right now.

Is it likely to cause the RA not continue by occasionally not being "perfect"?

According to a test the natural doc prescribed, I am allergic to eggs, almonds, dairy, soy. I hate to not eat these based on one test. Do you know how accurate these types of labs are?

Thanks


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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on August 20, 2009 at 13:38:20:

In Reply to: Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. posted by lance [8267.8054] on August 20, 2009 at 13:10:39:

Thanks, Lance.

If you have not seen noticeable progress by now you are not likely to get significant results from diet alone. The stress is likely canceling out any benefit.

As you know (I hope) SR is the most likely single thing to help with this along with underwater aerobics.

Let us know how you do.

Walt


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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive.

Posted by Lance [2159.8045] on August 21, 2009 at 10:23:22:

In Reply to: Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on August 20, 2009 at 08:05:32:

If I can tolerate biking (light riding), would this be comparable to water aerobics?


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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on August 22, 2009 at 09:46:02:

In Reply to: Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive. posted by Lance [2159.8045] on August 21, 2009 at 10:23:22:

No, Lance, but something is better than nothing.

Walt


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Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive.

Posted by Lance [8653.8054] on August 22, 2009 at 10:54:38:

In Reply to: Re: Update...question/comments Dr. Stoll/Jan etc. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on August 22, 2009 at 09:46:02:

I will be purchasing some water aerobic equipment. I still have about 6-8 weeks of "swimming weather" left here in GA.


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