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Tonsils

Posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

Hi Dr. Stoll.

I'm 23 and for years have had a problem where I "spit-up" these tiny yellow-ish pieces of material that are foul-smelling. I have no idea what they are but I know they are emanating from my tonsils (I can sometimes see them in the back of my throat) and are giving me bad breath.

I met some guy a few months ago who told me his doctor only believed him when he regurgitated one in his mouth during a visit and had it sent to a lab. I think he said it was some bacteria (I'm not sure exactly) but I *know* his doctor ordered him to have his tonsils removed immediately.

Does this symptom ring a bell to you?

Thank you.


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Re: Tonsils

Posted by Michele on January 26, 1999 at 19:21:27:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

I get this a lot, too! You are not alone. I've sometimes wondered what it was as well.



Re: Tonsils

Posted by Rhonda on January 27, 1999 at 22:22:26:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

I'm in the same club. For years my tonsils have accumulated white cheesy material. The chunks that come out often have curves like the inside of the tonsils. (my father had this also) My family MD calls it a chronic tonsil infection, and hasn't said much but that it's not harmful. I use a q-tip and a flashlight to remove chunks when they become exposed in my throat. This problem rarely becomes painful, but the odour is very annoying. I look forward to reading Dr. Stoll's comments on this. Thanks.



Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1999 at 10:31:30:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

Dear Ben,

Take a look at an anatomy book that has detail of the structure of the normal tonsil. You will see that there are "crypts" that are mainly there to increase the surface area of the tonsil to increase its effectiveness at doing its job: protecting your insides from invasion of the pathogenic organisms we all breathe in & swallow every minute of every day.

More than 65% of ALL the lymphoid tissue in the body surrounds the intestinal tract. The tonsils & adenoids (Circle of Waldyer) make up the lymphoid concentration at the entry to the intestinal tract and is the biggest concentration in the body. The appendix is the concentration at the iliocecal valve to protect against leaking of colonic material into the small intestine.

ANYHOW, if your tonsils have lost their battle to the bacteria, they can become chronically infected. Then, the crypts are filled with pus (dead white blood cells) which can cause the effect you are mentioning. One does not have to wait for a serendipidous event like your friend had happen to make this diagnosis. The tonsils are easily within reach of the examining finger and your doc knows to press on the tonsil to express some of the cryptal material for the examination your friend had. If the tonsils are the problem, the diagnosis can be made right then.

If they are NOT, removing them would do nothing for your halitosis.

REMEMBER, more than 90% of all halitosis comes from the lungs (regardless of what the toothpaste and mouthwash companies would like us to believe). THIS comes from leaking of colonic material back into the blood stream and the attempt by the body to eliminate those toxins through the lungs. The resolution of LGS would be the only way to help that kind of halitosis.

Walt



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Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Ben on January 28, 1999 at 13:41:17:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1999 at 10:31:30:

Thank you for your reply.

-1- I have noticed that the problem comes and goes (but I don't know exactly why). Is there anything in particular that is responsible for the bacteria getting out of control? Diet/exercise (I notice it many times at the gym)/etc.

-2- What I do not understand is, even after examining the material in my tonsils, how will the doctor be able to decide the *tonsils* are to blame? Do they sometimes attempt to treat the bacteria, do you know?

-3- And if surgery is "the answer" what exactly does that mean? That I was born with mal-functioning tonsils and I would be better off without them?

Thanks.



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Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 29, 1999 at 13:44:47:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Ben on January 28, 1999 at 13:41:17:

Dear Ben,

That is why we went to medical school & residency for so long. The fact that the material was expressed from the tonsil, the shape of the lump AND the magic of the microscope makes the diagnosis.

If your tonsils have become chronically infected (they have lost the battle to protect you) they act like a boil that never heals. Removing this diseased tissue is helpful.

It is not so much that you were "born with defective tonsils" but that your lifestyle made them work too hard for too many years until they gave up the ghost. Tonsils grow back (fortunately for all of us who have had them removed). The new tissue is normal but, if you continue the lifestyle that destroyed the first ones, guess what will happen?

Walt



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Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Nancy on January 29, 1999 at 16:15:17:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Walt Stoll on January 29, 1999 at 13:44:47:

Walt

When I was a teenager and into my 20's or 30's, I used to have that stinky matter in my tonsils, too. Then, several years ago, my ENT told me that I didn't have any tonsils. At first he thought I'd had them removed, but I never did. He said that they had atrophied due to repeated infections. Do you think that's correct? I had tons of sore throats, colds, flu, and infections during those years, but rarely have them since I've been on VitC and other supplements. Do you think my tonsils could grow back if I become totally healthy? I'm 49 now. Thanks

Nancy



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TONSILS GROWING BACK!??!

Posted by Ben on January 29, 1999 at 17:29:26:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Nancy on January 29, 1999 at 16:15:17:

Dr. Stoll,

I have never heard of tonsils growing back (after surgery).

Is this possible?!!?

(Sounds very weird).


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Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Michele on January 29, 1999 at 17:37:42:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Nancy on January 29, 1999 at 16:15:17:

This is too funny. I've been told the same by two doctors in the past who say I only have one tonsil and said something about mine shrinking away as well. (And, I have to say, I can only see one!) I brag about never having strep, and ear infection or even tonsillitis in my life--but maybe I have! :)


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Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1999 at 11:42:10:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Nancy on January 29, 1999 at 16:15:17:

Hi, Nancy.

This is a common occurance.

When tonsils grow back they rarely grow to the size children have since we develop other immunological mechanisms as we age.

The vitamin C, and wellness techniques greatly magnify those "other" mechanisms so we don't need the tonsils nearly as much.

Walt



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Re: TONSILS GROWING BACK!??!

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1999 at 11:45:12:

In Reply to: TONSILS GROWING BACK!??! posted by Ben on January 29, 1999 at 17:29:26:

Dear Ben,

ALL physicians know this. There are certain organs in the body that regrow themselves like this. Lymph tissue is the first stuff we knew about. The liver is now known to do this nearly as well--so long as there is about 10% of the liver left to regenerate AND the causes of the destruction of the original liver have been eliminated.

Walt




Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1999 at 11:46:47:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Michele on January 29, 1999 at 17:37:42:

Hi, MIchele.

The hallmark of a healthy organ is when it does its job without your even knowing it is there. Think about it.

Walt




Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) THANKS! Walt

Posted by Nancy on January 30, 1999 at 12:57:03:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1999 at 11:42:10:

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Re: Tonsils

Posted by M.E. on March 01, 1999 at 15:23:15:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

Hi Dr. Stoll,

I get this too, though I've never noticed a smell. I've had it for almost as long as I can remember. I have noticed in the past 2 or so years it's gotten worse as the holes in the tonsil it comes from have gotten bigger. I used to get it from the left one, but now almost always the right. My doctor says it's food that gets stuck in there and that her daughter gets it, too.

I HATE IT!!! It's digusting and very time consuming and sometimes impossible, trying to get that stuff out. My doctor says tonsillectomy for adults leads to much bleeding and is risky. I've heard it's a miserable experience, and besides, I can't afford it. Still, I want this to stop; sometimes I wish I could just cut the tonsil out myself! There must be some way it could be simply altered surgically (lasers, maybe?) to close up that hole. Considering all the "miracle" surgery that exists for conditions much more serious than this, I would imagine there must be a fairly easy solution. Please advise.


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Re: Tonsils

Posted by Sharon on March 02, 1999 at 11:22:02:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

I have been told i have a food impaction in one of my tonsils, My tonsils are very large. I was told that food impacted in my tonsil is not a problem and that in time it will work its way out,but i have attempted to remove it and it seems to be in very deep, about a 1/4 of an inch. Should
i just hope that in time it will indeed work its way out or should i be concerned, It is a sharp piece of taco chip that got imbeded in my tonsil. Thanks for any light you can shed on my problem



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Re: Tonsils

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 02, 1999 at 11:30:10:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils posted by M.E. on March 01, 1999 at 15:23:15:

Der M.E.,

Remember that more than 90% of cases of halitosis come from the lungs because of a LGS colon.

The chances are that the tonsil thing is a "red herring".

Walt



Re: Tonsils (Risks of large crypts)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1999 at 12:40:02:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils posted by Sharon on March 02, 1999 at 11:22:02:

Dear Sharon,

Just one more risk of taco chips (grin).

This can happen and does fairly commonly in people with large "crypts" in the tonsil. These crypts are normal (see any anatomy book).

They are not going to go away if you are over 20 years old. The particle WILl work itself out. If money is no object, any ENT specialist would take about 30 seconds to remove it & it would not even be uncomfortable.

If you had a long bayonette forceps, you could do it yourself without any trouble by looking in the mirror with a bright light.

Walt



Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Heather on March 12, 1999 at 16:22:45:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Walt Stoll on January 29, 1999 at 13:44:47:

OK, so if you're sure your halitosis is realted to tonsilloliths, what is the best course of action?
I've heard tonsillar ablation, removal, or irrigation with home dental equipment. My Primary Care MD doesn't seem to know about any of these, so should I discuss options with an ENT? After YEARS of suffering with this problem, I think I'm ready to address it.
Another concern is coverage by insurance. Is halitosis enough to justify surgery?



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Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1999 at 12:06:29:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils (What causes most halitosis?) posted by Heather on March 12, 1999 at 16:22:45:

Hi, Heather.

SOME cases of chronic halitosis ARE caused by chronically diseased tonsils.

I would think that diagnosis WOULD be enough to warrent tonsillectomy. Certainly, foul halitosis would effect one's quality of life more than a lot of things I know. All you need is a physician who believes this enough to recommend it and your insurance should pay for it.

NOW, I will be interested in hearing if your halitosis leaves with your tonsils.

Walt



Tonsils and streap throat

Posted by Sarah on March 15, 1999 at 10:34:03:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

I'm 18 and since December I've had streap throat 5 times!! I go on antibiotics then 3-7 days after I'm done the dose, the streap throat comes back again. I've had blood tests to make sure everything is alright with my immune system and everything was perfect. So my doctor is now sending me to an ear, nose and throat specialist. She has suggested that I might have to have a tonsilectomy!

I was wondering if anyone has ever had or knows someone who this has happened to.

Thanx,
Sarah


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Re: Tonsils

Posted by Kayleen on March 15, 1999 at 10:58:19:

In Reply to: Tonsils posted by Ben on January 26, 1999 at 12:48:47:

I also get that white disgusting stuff in my throut. Hey I am a 12 year old girl. Today I am going to the Hostipal because I have almost all of the simtoms. I have never ever thought anything was wrong with my tonsils until today. My throut has been sore for about a month and then my ears and eyes started to hurt and now my throut feels as if it has stunk and I keep choking on my ulva when I swallow. My voice is also raspy. I hope that I will not have to get my tonsils taken out since this is the first time I have ever thought about it and also I am just to scared to have my tonsils taken out. Pleaze respond or email me and tell me if you think I have to get them out. thanxs i prefer for you to email me .



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Re: Tonsils and strep throat ( Why?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 16, 1999 at 13:22:25:

In Reply to: Tonsils and streap throat posted by Sarah on March 15, 1999 at 10:34:03:

Dear Sarah,

Remember that, until AIDS came along we had only the most primitive ways of looking at the integrity of the immune system. NOW, after billions of dollars in research we are infinitely better at looking at the immune system but are STILL barely scratching the surface in the area of knowing how to evaluate the immune system in the laboratory.

The tests you have had which assured the docs that your immune system was "OK" will be seen as the "dark ages of immunological testing" within another 10-20 years.

While you may well need a tonsillectomy, your immunity almost has to be compromised to have this happen to you. Once your tonsils have done their job once too often, they can be damaged enough that they are now part of the cause rather than part of the solution.

Unfortunately removal of the damaged tissue does nothing about WHY your tonsils had to go to war in the first place. SO, in that case, removal may not prevent your having more infections in the future. With your tonsils gone the diagnsis will be bacterial pharyngitis instead of "tonsillitis". Unfortunately you will likely have more systemic symptoms with the tonsils out of the picture to protect you.

Walt



Re: Tonsils

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 16, 1999 at 13:37:15:

In Reply to: Re: Tonsils posted by Kayleen on March 15, 1999 at 10:58:19:

Hi, Kayleen.

At your age, you are to be congratulated for thinking about this. I had to practice medicine for 10 years before I got to thinking at the level you are doing at the age of 12.

You are going to have to use your knowledge to evaluate your docs' advice about this. Remember, docs are just consultants.

See the other notes I have posted about this today.

Walt



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