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ulcer - does it need medical attention?

Posted by Dan [2966.8251] on October 12, 2009 at 07:48:26:

i suspect i have an ulcer. is medical attention required?


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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention?

Posted by James [2174.8095] on October 12, 2009 at 08:49:32:

In Reply to: ulcer - does it need medical attention? posted by Dan [2966.8251] on October 12, 2009 at 07:48:26:

We now know that ulcers are bacterial - but we also know that many people have the pylori in their gut and do not have ulcers...so we have to look at how stress induces immune changes that allow the bacteria to take hold...or how the stress chemicals alter the guts protective mucosa...or epithelial cell generation.


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thanks james!

Posted by Dan [2966.8251] on October 12, 2009 at 10:39:49:

In Reply to: ulcer - does it need medical attention? posted by Dan [2966.8251] on October 12, 2009 at 07:48:26:


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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention?

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 10:57:12:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? posted by James [2174.8095] on October 12, 2009 at 08:49:32:

Hi James,

I wonder how may with H Pylori and no symptoms...
will have symptoms five years later?




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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention?

Posted by jennyS [80.706] on October 12, 2009 at 11:12:54:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? posted by James [2174.8095] on October 12, 2009 at 08:49:32:


Ulcers are bacterial? But isn't pylori also bacterial? Would you not treat the bacterias the same way?


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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on October 12, 2009 at 13:40:28:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 10:57:12:

Ron,

H. Pylori is a normal inhabitant of the gut!!!!!!!!!!!! As are more than 500 different other species of bacteria without which we would all die.

The association of this particular species of bacteria with pyloric ulcers is not the trigger in all cases but is a significant discovery. The most common cause is LGS which is why even when the bacteria is "knocked down" with antibiotics, the ulcer frequently reoccurs.

Why is it so difficult for so many people to expand their mind set?

Walt


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James' FABULOUS TROPICAL BEAN SALAD IS DELICIOUS

Posted by AT [7059.4426] on October 12, 2009 at 13:52:11:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? posted by James [2174.8095] on October 12, 2009 at 08:49:32:

If you haven't tried it, I think James posted it on 9/22. I even left out the feta cheese and also two days' after concocting it, it is a great combination of tastes. Thank you James!


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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive.

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 14:16:35:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on October 12, 2009 at 13:40:28:

Hi Walt,

You may be right about those who are infected and live in countries where it is seen as beneficial compared to the other infections that are more of a problem.

H Pylori may be more common and considered NORMAL in areas where the water supply is unclean, where food storage and cleanliness is less than adequate...
or where infected pets spread it.
I have wondered about the safety of Ppen Air Markets
without refrigeration and where each day's foodstuffs
must be sold that day.
The Philippines, for example seem to have a much higher incidence but without the symptoms being a big problem. Certain immunities may have developed over many years.

In more developed countries...
when a person acquires H Pylori it may begin with a bad case of food poisoning and be missed on testing
when biopsy is done to look for a gastric reason for
reflux and chronic pain.

The person is told they have Gerd and are prescribed
a "proton pump inhibitor".

Ulcers seem to result after years of taking NSAIDS
for inflammation or to treat pain.

When the affected person is finally treated,
with an antibiotic they see symptoms resolve for a short time, but are often reinfected by an asymptomatic mate.

see link



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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive.

Posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 14:33:21:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 14:16:35:

"Ulcers seem to result after years of taking NSAIDS
for inflammation or to treat pain."

That may be true in most cases but not in all, my middle son had ulcers at 14 and he had never taken medicine.

"When the affected person is finally treated,
with an antibiotic they see symptoms resolve for a short time, but are often reinfected by an asymptomatic mate."

What if they don't have a mate or partner?



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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive.

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 14:56:47:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 14:33:21:

Hi Charles,

Not washing after handling a pet, a habit of sharing food or utensils with an infected parent or child, trading lunches at school, the possibilities
are there.


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Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?)

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 15:01:56:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 14:33:21:

Hi Charles,

This may explain your son's experience..

It may also explain why some races seem to carry the infection with no symptoms... It may be their blood
type.



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Re: ulcer - (Helicobacter and Kissing)

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 15:06:19:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 14:33:21:

Hi Charles,

Here is another bit of information

see link



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Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?)

Posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 15:14:56:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?) posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 15:01:56:

We think it was probably self induced stress they really acted up when he started HS.

Whatever caused them, they went away when he took the antibiotics.


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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive.

Posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 15:16:25:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 14:56:47:

The bacteria in the well water didn't affect me as I was raised on well water.


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Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?)

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 15:35:08:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?) posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 15:14:56:

Hi Charles,

Maybe it was sharing a cigarette or a joint that spread the infection?


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Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on October 12, 2009 at 15:39:39:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - does it need medical attention? SIGH! Archive. posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 14:16:35:

Thanks, Ron.

ANY reduction in the "distance from the edge of the cliff" will make it easier for that (whatever) bacterium to actually cause disease.

Walt


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Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?)

Posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 19:56:59:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?) posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 15:35:08:

Nah, he didn't do dope and he didn't smoke either. He knew he wouldn't see the light of day fpr a long time if he got caught with dope. He was a brain and an athlete.


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Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?)

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 23:38:14:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?) posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 19:56:59:

Hi Charles,

Your got me!
Is he still surviving?


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Re: ulcer - (Peppers protective)

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 23:43:03:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?) posted by Charles [448.8029] on October 12, 2009 at 19:56:59:

Hi Charles,

Here is something that you might find interesting...
At least Vince will.



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Re: ulcer - (Peppers protective)

Posted by VF [12036.8172] on October 13, 2009 at 10:53:06:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (Peppers protective) posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 23:43:03:

that article is confusing.Peppers cause cancer, but also protects the stomach from it? I have heard both before. Maybe too many peppers can cause a problem. When you enjoy the heat, you can't get too many or too hot.

The cayenne should get rid of the pylori, and tried to get my mom to use it for her stomach problems, that could have been pylori since she had antibodies to it, but wouldn't have the test to prove it was active, and didn't want to take the multi antibiotics to try to kill it. Believed that Dr's overprescribed, and that sounded like it.


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Re: ulcer - (Peppers protective)

Posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 13, 2009 at 11:13:07:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (Peppers protective) posted by VF [12036.8172] on October 13, 2009 at 10:53:06:

Hi Vince,

Could it be that the most serious cases develop cancer
due to the pylori and they just happen to be those who have been trying to treat with Peppers..?

If a person is not being bothered by Pylori, that alone is a reason to be protected from gastric cancer..
If they are not seeking medical assistance or the help of some shamen, they may not have bothered to overdo the peppers either. Having an air conditioned car and house in Mexico might also reduce the need to eat peppers.

We also are not sure that the poor in Mexico are
the majority of those with pylori due to poor hygeine
and water.


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Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?)

Posted by Charles [448.7922] on October 13, 2009 at 19:16:14:

In Reply to: Re: ulcer - (What Blood Type is more tolerant?) posted by Ron [3468.8172] on October 12, 2009 at 23:38:14:

Yeah, he has 2 boys of his own now, they live a couple of miles away. He's 38 TODAY.


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