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Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Shannon on February 17, 2001 at 02:44:55:

After 8 months I have decided that this board sucks. I have stopped doing Sr twice a day and my skin has cleard up. This whole thing has not worked for me. You can believe whatever you want about me not doing things right, but I know that I have. I can't stand all of the annoying personal attacks and posts. i have moved onto another site. Dr. Stoll, you have provided me with nothing but false hopes. Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Before you leave...........

Posted by
Rich on February 17, 2001 at 12:36:48:

In Reply to: Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Shannon on February 17, 2001 at 02:44:55:

Before you go, why not tell ME what is going on with you. I may be able to help you. I have a plethera of information on all sorts of topics. I have studies nutrition and the cause of disease for 5 years now. I can't say for sure but it's worth a try. I have all but cured myself of digestive disorders plaguing me for over 7 years. What's up?

Rich



Re: Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Skin cleared up? on February 17, 2001 at 20:21:30:

In Reply to: Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Shannon on February 17, 2001 at 02:44:55:

What did you do to clear it, in your opinion?



I guess i haven't left for gppd!

Posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 01:35:36:

In Reply to: Re: Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Skin cleared up? on February 17, 2001 at 20:21:30:

I have been taking vitamin B5 and I have ben following the info at acneregimen.com



Re: I guess i haven't left for good!

Posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 01:36:19:

In Reply to: I guess i haven't left for gppd! posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 01:35:36:

sorry



Re: I guess i haven't left for good!

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 14:14:28:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 01:36:19:

my Fiance is struggling with the same issue. we have been persuing natural methods for some time and we are getting results now. One thing I know about common skin conditions is, they seem to come and go with periods of very bad to times when they can be virtually non-existant.

When it comes to acne, I suspect hormone imbalance as the pre-ceeding symptom of this. Once the hormone imbalance is corrected, the acne usually clears up unless there are other problems such as candida or LGS. I would go to a naturopath who can perform a saliva hormone panel on you. I would bet a million dollars that you have a hormone imbalance. My Fiance ended up having too much DHEA and not enough progesterone and Estragen. We are now working to correct the imabalance. I hate to say it, being that you have had bad results with it so far, but SR is great for hormone imbalances. I have seen clinical proof that this is such but don't worry. You can still correct your hormone imbalance without it (Although it will take longer. I think you will see faster results using SR and hormone modulation).

Did you know that the product "Grobust" actually clears up acne? It does this because some of the ingredients in this product actually balance your hormones so your skin clears up. For you, I would suspect hormone imbalance and possibly intestinal dysbiosis/LGS as contributing factors. I could tell you exactly how I think you developed this problem in order of occurance but I don't think it will necessarily help you. It will only make you think more. Let me know what you think or if you have questions.

Rich



So, you attribute some of the results to taking B5?

Posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 16:58:35:

In Reply to: I guess i haven't left for gppd! posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 01:35:36:

Would you say that majority of improvement came after starting B5? How soon after? I remember you comment that it wasn't helping.



Is Grobust only for women? nmi

Posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 16:59:44:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 14:14:28:




Re: So, you attribute some of the results to taking B5? YES!!

Posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 17:25:14:

In Reply to: So, you attribute some of the results to taking B5? posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 16:58:35:

It has been about 3 weeks. I also have heard that it can take months. I am going to stick with it. Dr Stoll would probbly say that I am covering the warning signal with a piece of tape, but for me the wellness program wasn't working. It just simply is that I do not enjoy doing SR that much and I find myself stressed out trying to get both sessions in, and not being able to do other things I wanted to do with that time made me very frustrated.



Re: I guess i haven't left for good!

Posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 17:31:56:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 14:14:28:

I have no idea what Grobust is. i am going to stick with the B5. I am not sure why you think you know exactly how I developed this problem if you know nothing about me. I DO NOT have LGS, and I also don't know why you would think that. I have no idea where a neuropath would be, how much they cost and what they can do for me. And lets say I have a hormonal imbalance, how would I correct it?



Re: I guess i haven't left for good!

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 18:47:10:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 17:31:56:

Shanon, the only way to know for sure that you had LGS is to have The Intestinal Permeability Essay performed at Great Smokies Lab. You didn't do that so you don't know for sure that you don't. I merely said that I might suspect it. I didn't say you have it. LGS is the most common medical problem in this country (which gets diagnosed as IBS, heartburn, Colitis, Crohns disease and others). It wouldn't suprise me nor should it suprise you. Get the test and let me know.

If you think a conventional doctor would have an answer for you, that's fine but chances are he is going to give you a band-aid treatment. If you had 2 doctors, each driving their car, and the oil light went on. Well, if they each treat their cars the way they treat their chronically ill patients, this is what would happen. The oil light would go on and the conventional doctor would immediately pull over. He would run into right-aid, get some black tape and cover up the light...."there, problem solved"! The naturopath would pull over too but he would sit there for a moment and think, gee, why is the oil light on? Ah ha, the car needs oil. He would then have the tank filled and be on his way.

See, you NEED a holostic approach to this. It's not as if you are having a heart attack or stroke and need expert conventional help. You have a chronic skin condition that WILL be resolved once you figure out WHY you have it in the first place. I am offering sound possibities for you in order to help you realize how this could have happend. Fine. The B5 is helping but do you have any idea why? If not, what are you accomplishing? You could be trading a band-aid drug approach to a band-aid natural treatment. It is lesser of the 2 evils but I would hope that you want to get to the root of the problem. Then, you probably wouldn't even need to take the B5.

If you have a hormone imbalance, you can use transdermal creams to help bring them into balance. But, you would have to know what the nature of the imbalance is and then you would have to know how to treat it. A knowledgeable naturopath would be able to diagnose and treat this problem from many angles. Do a search for naturopaths or nutritionists in your area. Where do you live? I know good doctors in many states.

I can see that you are frustrated but believe me, I have overcome much more than you describe. I have studied the work of many promenant doctors, nutritionists, naturopaths and I have been lucky to work with many good people with vast knowledge in the alternaive medicine field. Now, this doesn't make me a doctor but I have a lot more knowledge thanthe average Jo-shmo and I have made my long-standing health problems about 85% better at this point. I will make it to 100% because I know why I have what I have and I know what to do about it. I know this through trial and error, research and more research and learning the hard way. I have concluded that disease (weather mild or detrimental) is caused by very specific situations that go on in the body.

If you haven't noticed, the incidences of diseases like CFS, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, Candida-Related Complex, arthritis, diseases of the spine, and autoimmunity in general has sky-rocketed in the last 100 years. before Industry, none of these disease existed. These diseases are a direct result of toxins, stress, incorrect diet, and lack of nutrition due to depleted soil and the above. If this is true, it can be said that just about every disease will respond when we reduce toxins, stress, improve our diet, strengthen our defenses, and get rid of microbial invaders. The good news is that this is exactly the result. I have never heard of a person that did the above NOT get some sort of positive result.

First, find a holistic doctor who can test you. Then, come back here and tell us how it went. Don't give up on yourself, this board, or finding the solution. Many people have turned back when all they had was one more block to go.

Rich



Re: So, you attribute some of the results to taking B5? YES!!

Posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 18:48:29:

In Reply to: Re: So, you attribute some of the results to taking B5? YES!! posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 17:25:14:

Actually, Dr. Stoll has said that he would like to hear reports from people using B5. And so would I, and probably many others. So, please come back some time later and tell us how it's going. I am also on B5, several days longer than, but I can't say that it's helping yet. My skin became drier, I think, though.

I have a few more questions for you. What brand are you taking, how much, how frequently, with/without anything (meals, supplements)?



Here's why B5 may help

Posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 18:55:00:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 18:47:10:


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About your wellness program

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 18:58:57:

In Reply to: Re: So, you attribute some of the results to taking B5? YES!! posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 18:48:29:

Shannon, I feel for you when you mention your frustration and time constraints but you can't say it wasn't working. You were not achieving the state of mind you need to have a good SR session due to frustration so it never had a chance to work. It would be better for you to say that you didn't believe in it and you didn't want to waste your time with it. This way, you don't trick yourself into thinking that you did all you could with it. honestly, if you can't find 20 minutes twice a day to relax, I am not suprised that you are having a health challange (This is not derogitory towards you. words on a computer screen can be misleading. I genuinely want to help you if I can)

Rich



It is unless you think you need a firmer bust line :-) nmi

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 19:00:38:

In Reply to: Is Grobust only for women? nmi posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 16:59:44:

nmi



I am kind of thin, so bigger chest may be good for me :) nmi

Posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 19:02:32:

In Reply to: It is unless you think you need a firmer bust line :-) nmi posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 19:00:38:




I've always been like that too. Seems like you are a fast oxidizer like me. Check out the metabolic Type archives for useful info :) nmi

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 19:06:41:

In Reply to: I am kind of thin, so bigger chest may be good for me :) nmi posted by R. on February 18, 2001 at 19:02:32:

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Re: About your wellness program

Posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 19:15:49:

In Reply to: About your wellness program posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 18:58:57:

I wrote a whole post awhile ago. I did SR 2x a day for 20 min. I thought it was working. I wrote a long testimonial that Dr. Stoll archived under acne entitled acne cleard w/o accutane. I enjoyed doing SR b/c it was working. Then i guess it stopped working. Once my acne came back I became frustrated with the program. However, i was NOT frustrated before than. Everything Dr. Stoll said made sense to me and i genuinely believed in it. I also think that i WAS achieving alpha, but I can't be sure since i was never tested w/ biofeedback. But everything i was experiencing was experienced by others who claimed to have been in the correct state. I am a very social person and I find tremendous pleasure in talking on the phone or going out with my friends. I would so much rather do what makes me happy. I orignally felt that I woudl sacrifice anything to have clear skin and that is why I followed this approach. however, when my acne returned I felt that it was a waste of my time. I also felt like an idiot for telling my friends and family that I needed to Sr 2x a day to get clear skin only for them and myself to see no improvement. All of them think I am nuts for believing a Dr. on the internet in the first place. Also a couple of weeks ago I was extremely upset about the way that Dr. Stoll handled my situation. He was not interested in helping me, rather he scolded me for not doing it right.



Re: I guess i haven't left for good!

Posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 19:25:02:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 18:47:10:

I live in Jersey and I go to school in Delaware. I am 21 so my parents are still supporting me unti I graduate in May. I don't think they would pay or help me find a holistic Doc. They are very close-minded and I think I am very open-minded so I would want to give it a try, but I have no money to spend on this stuff. How expensive is it.
Also please read the B5 report and let me know what you think. Thank you.



Re: About your wellness program - healing crisis?

Posted by kmd on February 18, 2001 at 20:17:58:

In Reply to: Re: About your wellness program posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 19:15:49:

When symptoms that were clearing, suddenly begin to return during a wellness program, is that what people call a "healing crisis"? I mention this in case it helps you, but I myself really haven't looked into what a healing crisis really is or how it works. Rich or R., can you comment on whether this could explain the flare-up she had while doing the wellness?

I'm back on my B5 again, but taking only 6-8 grams per day now.

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Re: I guess i haven't left for good! - some LGS statistics

Posted by kmd on February 18, 2001 at 20:23:26:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 18:47:10:

Here's how Walt replied to one of my recent questions to him about LGS:

My Question: What percentage of the US population probably has LGS?

Walt's Reply: The last time I looked (and this was from an advanced thinker who, so far as I know, has never been far off with predictions like this; it was far in excess of 50%--more like 70%. For years the estimate was that 70% of those over 70 did not make sufficient digestive enzymes for perfect health (50% of those over 50 and 30% of those over 30). They did not call it LGS back then but their reduction in GI complaints, with enzyme supplementation, bore out those statistics. A study of medical students, just completed, showed that detoxification of LGS substances, in apparently healthy people, still produced significant improved function in nearly all the participants. Reference: Macintosh A, Ball K. "The effects of a short term program of detoxification in disease free individuals". Alternative Therapies. 2000;6(4):70-76.

Hope this helps you.




My thoughts exactly

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 22:59:24:

In Reply to: Re: About your wellness program posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 19:15:49:

ok shannon I see. It seems to me you gave it a genuine effort and you were doing quite well. Congradulations on getting that far. I believe that what you were experiencing was a healing crisis. This is a brief period of seemingly getting worse before again getting better. Your body/mind is trying to cope with the changes you are experiencing. You may have been on the final stretch I was talking about before giving up and turning back. Doesn't mean it was a total waste. You see that some benefit can be retained. Dr. Stoll should jump in here. I am wondering if this occurs a lot. Someone above in a post said the same thing you are. That it started off working and then the benefits just stopped. We will get to the bottom of it I am sure.

In the mean time, maybe you can find a clinic or a doctor who can perform some tests including a saliva hormone test. I believe it has something to do with your acne. I wouldn't mention it if I didn't feel strongly about it. Remember, I have a fiance that is in the same boat and she is getting well by treating a hormone imbalance and candida overgrowth (which means she has LGS and we know how to clear that up). Let me know what you think. I appreciate you sharing your story with me and others and it sounds like you have a lot of supportive family and friends you would rather be with than spending it in meditation. I can relate.

Rich

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Thanks KMD. This is an important statement :) nmi

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 23:01:39:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! - some LGS statistics posted by kmd on February 18, 2001 at 20:23:26:

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Re: I guess i haven't left for good!

Posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 23:05:39:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Shannon on February 18, 2001 at 19:25:02:

I can relate shannon. I am 25 so I know how you feel. I just happen to make some good money as a pianist and a teacher. Any kind of medical treatment can be expensive. That's why you should stick with the SR. It will balance your hormones over the long haul and the acne will get better. Ask doctor stoll why things went wrong. I have not experienced this so I don't know.

A saliva hormone panel might cost you up to $140 but I doubt it would cost more. Depends on where you go. Do you have any other symptoms like digestive complaints, irritability or increased PMS symptoms?

Rich



A source of hormonal testing and balancing

Posted by R. on February 19, 2001 at 03:25:58:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! posted by Rich on February 18, 2001 at 23:05:39:

The following are articles by Dr. Borkin whose radio interview I heard. In the second one, there is phone number for and a link to Sabre Sciences, Inc., EndoScreen Labs. Both are interesting articles about stress and hormones. It would be interesting to ask the doctor the question that Dr. Stoll raised: how long does a hormonal balance that was restored by hormonal supplements last. Does balancing hormons this way resolve stored stress?

Stress 101
Women's hormones 101



Excellent point R.........

Posted by Rich on February 19, 2001 at 11:37:04:

In Reply to: A source of hormonal testing and balancing posted by R. on February 19, 2001 at 03:25:58:

It would seem to me that hormones balanced by naturally bringing the body back into balance with diet, meditation and maybe some nutritional supplements if deficiencies are found would be the long-term solution to the problem.

I think that in the begining, hormone manipulation using natural creams or sublinglual pills may be necessary in bad cases or just to give the body a running start in balancing. In this case, SR should be performed at the same time. Over the next few months, the hormones should be monitored and the transdermal creams slowly discontinued until the body can take over. This is typically true in people who are deficient in one or more hormones. Some people have low DHEA but their cortisol isn't high which is kind of interesting. So, it may be necessary to give 5-50mg of DHEA depending on the nature of the deficiency while at the same time performing SR to raise it naturally. Once the body is "jump started" into producing DHEA on its own, the supplement can be slowly discontinued. Hopefully, the body continues to make the DHEA. I wouldn't think that this would be the end of it though. I would imagine that if one continues a life of stress, no meditation and a poor diet, the problem will begin all over again.

Rich

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Re: I guess i haven't left for good! - some LGS statistics (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 20, 2001 at 11:27:35:

In Reply to: Re: I guess i haven't left for good! - some LGS statistics posted by kmd on February 18, 2001 at 20:23:26:

NMI

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