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Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast

Posted by Shelley on February 19, 2001 at 23:09:45:

Walt:

Several posts on other forums and lists have been talking about the antifungal, Miconazole, which one has to get specially made up at a compounding pharmacy. Prior to this, one could only get the stuff in Canada, as it only became available in the U.S. recently.

Elizabeth Naugle of the Candida & Dysbiosis Information Foundation in Texas praises it highly, feeling it is a better drug than any of the polyene antifungals like Nystatin in that it is effective against BOTH the spore and hyphael forms of Candida and that like the polyenes, very little is absorbed, therefore it acts topically, and can get into the hard to reach places in the gut that the other azoles never have a chance in getting to (i.e. Diflucan was a waste of time & $ for me). That's why she refers to it as the "sleeper" drug of choice in tough, stubborn cases that didn't repond well to other therapies. I am sure hoping it will help mine, as everything else failed, including Nystatin after having been on it for 15 years!

I would really like to know if you have had any experience or are familiar with this antifungal or know of any other practitioners who have used it. I am looking for some feedback, as there's very little on the web on this drug. It may be a hassle to obtain it, but from all accounts, it sure seems worth looking into.

Please advise,

Shelley






Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast

Posted by kmd on February 20, 2001 at 10:46:03:

In Reply to: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast posted by Shelley on February 19, 2001 at 23:09:45:

Shelley, thanks for the interesting info! Sounds like you've been battling this for a long time. Besides taking Nystatin and Diflucan, I was curious if you cut out all sources of sugars from your diet at the same time? Also, so you know you still have candida due to a lab test or due to how you feel?

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Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 2001 at 09:40:05:

In Reply to: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast posted by Shelley on February 19, 2001 at 23:09:45:

Thanks, Shelly.

So long as one understands a few things we have discussed many times on this BB:

1. The candida yeasts are ALL around all of us every minute of our lives. The minute ANYTHING like this medication is stopped the yeast form will once again be available for "sprouting" into the fungal form. The ONLY reason we ALL do not have fungal form candida in your guts is because of our natural protection by the normal bacteria in our colon. Those with LGS (necessary to GET candida in the first place) will have dysbiosis and thus be susceptible to recurrance. THE YEAST FORM IS INERT!

2. Every antifungal drug (except Nystatin) IS absorbable and thus has the systemic dangers any reasonable person would want to avoid if possible.

3. Any physician who would recommend Miconazole over Nystatin has a very superficial understanding of the problem. It would be interesting to see her % of recurrance.

4. LGS MUST be dealt with no matter which drug one uses or the problem will recur eventually---usually pretty quickly.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Shelley on February 21, 2001 at 17:12:03:

In Reply to: Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 2001 at 09:40:05:

Dr. Stoll:

When you say that any physician who would recommend Miconazole over Nystatin has a very superficial understanding of the problem, what is your basis for this?

Nystatin failed me after 15 years, probably from developing a resistant strain according to my last stool exam. Plus, Nystatin is ineffective against the mycelial form of yeast. Only 25-30% of the Miconazole is absorbed, leaving the rest to get into the gut, according to my research.

I am running out of options as far as antifungals (already tried Dilucan which is systemic only). What next, Ampho-B?

Pls advise.



Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 23, 2001 at 14:25:33:

In Reply to: Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.) posted by Shelley on February 21, 2001 at 17:12:03:

Hi, Shelly,

This concept has been discussed on this 'site for years. Until the LGS, which is necessary for C-RS to happen, is dealt with everything will recurr.

So what if the miconazole eliminates the candida? It will just come back and the person has been exposed to the significant risk of a systemic antifungal. At least your Nystatin had no risk.

Learn about LGS, it's causes and how it relates to C-RS. All of that is in the voluminous archives.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Shelley on February 23, 2001 at 15:59:29:

In Reply to: Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 23, 2001 at 14:25:33:

Dr. S:

I've taken everything under the sun to correct any possible LGS problems, not to mention very aggressive immune support and intestinal flora restoration protocols since relapsing from the Nystatin. My last IP test PRIOR to taking supplements to help eliminate the LGS only showed very moderate permeability. As far as the miconazole, it is not considered a systemic drug like Diflucan or Nizoral, and that's exactly why I started to use it, as it acts topically like Nystatin. How can it have any risks? My thought was to use an antifungal strong & able enough to reach the lower GI since NOTHING else worked in getting in there except the Nystatin. Believe me, I wish I could go back on Nystatin, but my last yeast sensitivity stool exam showed that the Candida was, in fact, resistant to it. No surprise on that. Also, if one truly has big holes from severe LGS then, in my estimation, even Nystatin will become "systemic" and cause deleterious effects. Nystatin also never addressed the mycelial yeast either, whereas the miconazole kills both forms. I wish the answer was so easy to put all the blame on one thing. I am not considering ANY drug to be a panacea, but, in my case, I felt I needed an alternative or replacement to Nystatin to allow my gut to heal, give my immune system a rest, and try to get my sense of well being back like I used to with Nystatin.



Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 25, 2001 at 08:41:18:

In Reply to: Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.) posted by Shelley on February 23, 2001 at 15:59:29:

Hi, Shelly.

I would be interested in where you learned that miconazole is not absorbed. Also, the nystatin molecule is so large that, even with LGS, it is not absorbed any more than sand would be.

I would like to remind you that the single most important thing to reverse LGS is SR. I see nowhere in your program where you have done that. This falls into one of my favorite sayings: "Chronic conditions will never be resolved by something you TAKE but by something you DO."

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Shelley on February 26, 2001 at 04:00:28:

In Reply to: Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 25, 2001 at 08:41:18:

Dr. S:

According to all the docs I have spoken to, plus the pharmacuetical company's fact sheet on miconazole nitrate, only 25-30% gets absorbed, and furthermore, that which does get absorbed gets metabolized without any systemic effects i.e. hepatotoxicity, again according to the drug's fact sheet. I am just hoping that it will get down into the nooks & crannies and go to work in suppressing whatever stubborn yeast still remains. That's the bottom line in my experience.





Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 28, 2001 at 09:51:05:

In Reply to: Re: Oral Miconazole for Intestinal Yeast (Archive in candida.) posted by Shelley on February 26, 2001 at 04:00:28:

Hi, Shelly.

25-30% is a far cry from "none". I have heard these kinds of assurances, by manufacturers, too often to take them seriously. We will not "know" for about 30 years.

Thanks.

Walt

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