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Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

I am 56 years old and have been taking laxatives for about 22 years. I take 2 bisacodyl each night. I had a colonoscopy and was told my colon is so distended I will just have to live with it. I eat healthy, lots of fiber, fruit, vegetables, and exercise regularly. I go from diarrhea to constipation. I strain so hard at times I now have diastasis of the abdomen. I am miserable. My primary care physician just says more fiber, etc, all of which I have done. Another doctor said use mineral oil, but I read that can draw vitamins out of the body. What do I do now? I don't want to continue like this.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by VF [12036.8640] on March 04, 2010 at 18:26:56:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

can't you tell if some foods bind you up, and some loosen you? What about stress?

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by AT [11797.8604] on March 04, 2010 at 20:42:17:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

Take your mineral oil at bedtime, it will have little effect on nutrients.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 21:47:51:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by VF [12036.8640] on March 04, 2010 at 18:26:56:

Yes, I have eliminated foods I know bind. I eat wheat/bran cereal, organic fruits and vegetables, drink lots of water. All the foods that should loosen do not help me a bit. I try to back off the laxative, tried one laxative and stool softener, but then I cannot go for 4-5 days and become nauseous and bloated to point I look pregnant.

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Posted by VF [12036.8640] on March 04, 2010 at 22:06:39:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 21:47:51:

what about stress?

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by JD [12211.7737] on March 04, 2010 at 22:25:22:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 21:47:51:

What about enemas?

Also, have you tried Dr. Schultz's product, Intestinal Formula #1? see www.herbdoc.com You take one with your last meal of the day, and if no bowel movement the next day, take two the next evening and if no relief then three the next, etc. (He says he had one patient that got up to 30 something capsules before it took.)

Both these things have worked for me in the past and Dr. Schultz puts out a very quality product, IMO.

I wish I could be of more help. Please don't give up, there is a solution and you WILL find it.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Ron [5412.8172] on March 05, 2010 at 00:36:19:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

Hi Sue,

Have you had your thyroid panel tested?
Many are borderline Hypothyroid and have constipation
troubles.
Do you have any other neurological symptoms that
might point to a low thyroid function?
Are you avoiding Iodized Salt?

Coffee is a stimulant worth trying because it does
speed up transit.. (Of course, it won't shorten your ride to work... ;-)

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Steve [10433.8101] on March 05, 2010 at 05:11:51:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

Two books you should read:

1) Recapture Your Health.
2) Detox or Die.

You have a long way to go, but you have been sick for 22 years.

Silver Fox!

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 05, 2010 at 07:50:12:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

Sue,

Have you actually tried the protocol for "stool witholding" on the home page? Have you actually tried including SR with your health program? It will take at least a year for your colon to be retrained, even this way.

However, since your 22 years history, it seems to me that a trial with something truly effective would be worth your while.

Walt

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by linda [3724.8654] on March 05, 2010 at 08:42:23:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

Sue, I think I completely understand your situation. I've been going thru the same thing for over 40 yrs. I've always exercised, I eat whole organic foods, drink lots of water etc. The dr said eat fiber, which I did, & altho I thought it impossible I became even more constipated. I ended up with a fissure. After all this I find out I have dysautonomia, & Hashimotos thyroiditis which is probably the cause of most of my problem. Knowing this nothings really changed for me but I would suggest, if you haven't, to have a complete checkup. I am going to try Dr Stoll's suggested protocol with mineral oil. Best of luck!

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on March 05, 2010 at 18:56:39:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

I'd experiment with going off gluten (wheat, oats, rye, barley) for a few weeks. Drink coffee or green tea regularly. Make sure to get plenty of health fat in your diet- nuts, seeds, fish, olive oil.

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Posted by AT [11797.8604] on March 05, 2010 at 19:37:20:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by samm [1003.2765] on March 05, 2010 at 18:56:39:

Would that include wheat bran, samm?

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 05, 2010 at 23:28:38:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 05, 2010 at 07:50:12:

I did not find anything on the home page about "stool withholding", but did find in the archive article about stool withholding in children. Is that what you are referring to? My understanding is I should start with mineral oil at night and build up to maximum and then add sugar free Metamucil. Is that correct? I definitely plan on getting your book and reading it ASAP. I just wanted to hear that it is still possible to fix my colon and your response that it may take a year is encouraging because I did not believe it was even possible. I also read your article on Leaky Gut. Perhaps there is more info in your book, but should I be contacting the two laboratories to get instructions on being tested? Thank you for your help.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 05, 2010 at 23:30:19:

In Reply to: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 04, 2010 at 18:00:43:

One other question, what do you mean by including SR in my health program?

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 05, 2010 at 23:33:15:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by samm [1003.2765] on March 05, 2010 at 18:56:39:

I do eat nuts, fish, flax seeds, cook with olive oil, and drink green tea daily. I quit my stressful job five years ago and now work from home which I enjoy very much and my stress is gone.

I will be getting Dr. Stoll's book and anything else by him that will help me kick this.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 06, 2010 at 07:10:07:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 05, 2010 at 23:28:38:

Yeah, Sue.

The protocol for the "children's stool witholding" is the one I have been talking about.

I was unaware that it said anything about not starting both the fiber and the MO at the same time. Their effects are complementary and not separate. Any kind of fiber will work. I just listed metamucil as the least expensive.

Let us know what you learn as you "fit" this regimen you YOUR physiology. Both these substances work mechanically so they cannot fail if the indications and procedure for dosages are followed.

Walt

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 06, 2010 at 07:13:23:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 05, 2010 at 23:30:19:

Sue,

SR stands for Skilled Relaxation. Go to the archives and the glossary for definitions and let us know what you learn. It seems obvious that this is what you have been missing for the past 22 years. However, now that it HAS been missing for that long, following the mechanical fiber and MO regimen will produce results much quicker--while the SR addition to your lifestyle is working for permanent results.

Walt

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on March 06, 2010 at 08:27:33:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 05, 2010 at 23:33:15:

physical movement will standing helps, too. If you are spending a lot of time at a desk, it can contribute. Pace or walk around the block a couple of times a day.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on March 06, 2010 at 08:30:42:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by AT [11797.8604] on March 05, 2010 at 19:37:20:

I don't know if wheat bran has gluten in it, but, during a gluten free experiment, it makes sense to use rice bran instead if you feel the need for bran. Nuts and seeds provide a lot of fiber, so that's one option instead of bran.

BTW, spinach is a great bowel mover.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 06, 2010 at 09:46:18:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 05, 2010 at 07:50:12:

Dr. Stoll, I found from your site what you mean by SR. Looking forward to your book and implementing what I find.

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Re: Laxative dependence

Posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 06, 2010 at 13:13:47:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 06, 2010 at 07:13:23:

Dr. Stoll: This is what I was referring to when I read the article regarding Withholding Stool.
"Once the effective dose of MO is determined, it will be time to add the second step."

I interpreted that as taking Mineral Oil for a few days until the correct dose is reached and then adding Metamucil. I will start with both today as you stated. Thank you.

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Re: Laxative dependence--in addition: archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8110] on March 06, 2010 at 15:54:02:

In Reply to: Re: Laxative dependence posted by Sue [2780.8639] on March 06, 2010 at 13:13:47:

Thanks, Sue.

My bad!

I can see how this could have been misinterpreted. What I meant by the second step was pottie training for the child. For the adult with chronic constipation or hemorrhoidal conditions, the 3LS.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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