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Anti-Candida Immune Complexes

Posted by Cindy on May 07, 2001 at 11:45:52:

Dear Dr. Stoll,
The blood test that measures anti-candida immune complexes is supposedly used by some practitioners to monitor the level of illness in Candida related syndrome (I think Dr. Golan mentions using this test in his book). You've said that the candida organism doesn't invade the blood stream in CR-S, until the person is so immuno-compromised that they're near death. You've said that the symptoms of CR-S are caused "by the bodymind's response to the mycelia of the fungal form of the candida growing through the wall of the LGS". What is the antibody in the anti-candida IC's complexed to? Is it fragments of the fungal form? (and essentially nothing that's alive and that can thrive in the blood)? Can you assume that candida has converted to its fungal form in all cases of CR-S? Would the IC level in the blood depend pretty much on the body's detoxification capacities at the time?
Thanks for helping me to clarify these things.



Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 08, 2001 at 09:59:10:

In Reply to: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes posted by Cindy on May 07, 2001 at 11:45:52:

Hi, Cindy.

The yeast form of candida is like a seed and is inert to the body's immune system. Incomplete cell wall forms of candida can get into the blood stream and cause atypical symptoms BEFORE being life threatening (See LivCell Analysis). ALL forms of candida (OTHER than the yeast form) directly challenge the immune system and that is what the blood tests are trying to measure (with varying success).

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.)

Posted by Cindy on May 08, 2001 at 10:44:22:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 08, 2001 at 09:59:10:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

It makes complete sense to me that all forms of candida challenge the immune system, and they can do that without actually entering the blood stream. Elevated antibody levels to candida in the saliva and in the blood indicate that the body is defending against candida, but they don't mean that candida is present there, correct? I would like to know what the immune complexes that are being detected circulating in the blood, which are directed against candida, actually contain. One half of the complex is an antibody that recognizes candida.

What is the other half?

I think you're saying that it cannot be the seedlike, inert,yeast form...that this can't be present in the blood.
Can the other half be the incomplete cell wall form? (how common is it for incomplete cell wall forms to be present in the blood in CR-S?)
Can it be candida specific macromolecules?...can this make it into the blood?
Or is the other half (the antigen portion of the immune complex) some other body antigen that the anti-candida antibody is cross reacting with?

I feel these are important questions to get clear, because confusion about what constitutes a candida "infection" is at the heart of much of the misunderstanding that the mainstream allopathic medical profession has about CR-S.
My doctor, for example, who actually practices alternatively, does not believe that candida can be anywhere other than the colon...she believes elevated antibody levels mean nothing and she will not even consider running IC levels...she says she "doesn't believe in it".

So, I thank you for your time and your help with this.



Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 10, 2001 at 08:57:56:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.) posted by Cindy on May 08, 2001 at 10:44:22:

Hi, Cindy.

Good, thoughtful questions!

In order:
1. Correct.
2. In MY opinion, the questionaire is still the most accurate way to detect the problem. The pletohora of active C-RS tests have far outstripped my ability to keep up with the most accurate (since I an retired from active practice). Some stay positive for years after the fungal form has been vanquished and others seem to gradually fade away, SO none I know of are good ways to measure progress of therapy.
3. Just a carrier protein like ALL specific antibodies have.
4. Everyone is SOAKED in the yeast form every day--on this planet. This is why eliminating the susceptibility (LGS) is so important.
5. Antibiotic therapy and antifungal medications are the most common causes of incomplete cell wall forms and THEY can be found in the blood of non-fatally ill people. The best way I have found to find THEM is with the LivCell apparatus (darkfield microscopy with a well trained operator).
6. These macromolecules are the antibodies.
7. Not in most people, though some antibodies can "cross over" to attack similar proteins in the body (Basis for a lot of autoimmune conditions.)
8. I believe your doc is basically right. See above. I am assuming that she is not saying that she doesn't "believe" in C-RS; only not in that approach to diagnosis.

Hope this helps.

Walt




Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.)

Posted by Cindy on May 10, 2001 at 20:17:05:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-Candida Immune Complexes (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 10, 2001 at 08:57:56:

Thanks Dr. Stoll. Actually, my doctor doesn't believe in both CR-S and the blood tests.

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