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My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by
Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Over the last few weeks I have been visiting this website. The reason why I am writing this is that I believe I have LGS and Candida overgrowth.
But first, let me tell you about my history and why I feel that I have this. About six months ago I started a job at a new pharmacutical company that makes a product for periodontal disease. The main ingredient, minocycline is apart of the Tetracycline family. So in preparing for my employment, I studied Minocycline and other broad spectrum antibiotics. In researching antibiotics, I found that it can cause a candida overgrowth, which can intern cause many reactions in your body. So I started researching Candida, visiting various sites and reading many books. I read Dr. Crooks' book "The Yeast Connection," and was floored. I had been suffering many of these symtpoms and had taken many drugs to help them to no avial and I am certain that this is my problem.
My symtoms include, Bloating, excessive gas, depression, tmj, anxiety, being anti-social, occaisonally grinding teeth at night, mucles aches, urinary track infection, fatigue, cold hands and feet, not being able to concentrate, mood swings, and my abdomin swells to where it looks like I am obese, when I am not. It is a extremely vicous cycle. First LGS bloats me, to where my abdomin swells, and then anxiety, depression, anti-social, etc, etc begin. This has been happening virtually most of my like, at least since I was 9, from where I can remember.
Lets back up even further. I have felt bloated and my abdomin has swollen when I at certain foods, or experience stress since I was about 9. At 16 I had a slight case of acne, my doctor placed me on Tetracycline for 2 months. I went to several doctor's for my bloating, many told me to take Citricil, or told me I had a spastic colon or IBS. They diadnosed me with this, even though I had no problems with constipation or diarhera. I many cases, they prescribed me Levabid(I believe that was the name.) Helped a little, but still was bloating. I was treated for minor depression with prozac for 1 month in 1996. Then my doctor prescribed me Ambien for insomnia, which I took of and on for 4 months in 1996. I visited another doctor who told me to take amtripyline for my "spastic colon." It was not until later I found that Amtripyline was used for treating depression, not spastic colon. I got extremely frustrated and stopped all treatment, thinking this was just apart of life. In 1999, I had an endoscopy and a colonoscopy performed. The doctor found a lesion in my stomach and that my bowel was inflammed. He prescribed me Prilosec, Propulsid, Biaxin and Asacol. I stayed on Prilosec for 2 months, Propulsid for 1 month, Biaxin was, I believe for 1 week, and Asacol for 7 months. None helped, although Asacol always produced larger bowel movements, at least 2 times a day. Still, I was bloated. In December of 1999, my doctor placed me on Depakote and Serzone, and diagnosed me as being slightly manic depressant. I do forget the term he used for the condition. Stayed on both of them for about 4 months. They didn't work. In September of 2000, I was diagnosed with slight ADD. My doctor told me that I was misdiagnosed with the manic depression. He said that it is commen to be misdiagnosed with mania, when you have ADD. So, I was placed on Ritalin. Now this actually helped, not with the bloating, but definetly with concentration. I take 20 mg SR, which is the lowest dose you can take for Ritalin. I have heard many bad things about it, but for the last 9 months, it has helped me. Still I know, now more than ever that there is something causing all of this. The meds I just mentioned, are the one I can remember. I am not sure all the meds, I took when I was young. My mother did however say that I have taken antibiotics for minor ear infections when I was young.
So, I am taking action. I have studied the boards, I just completed The Healing Power of Whole Foods, and am in the middle of reading The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook. Both, great books. I have ordered Dr. Stoll's book from Barnes and Knoble, they said it would take about 2 weeks to receive, so I can't wait to read it. My brain is so full of information, it is going to explode. If I could have any of your opinions, or comments that you have about my program, which I will detail below, I would extremely appreciate it.
Below is what I plan to due to get ride of my LGS and candida overgrowth.

I am going to due a 6 month program. After 6 months, I will reevalute me symptoms and go forward from there.

**For all six months, perform 2, 20 min SR per day. 20 minutes after I wake in the morning and 20 minutes later in the day, but not within 2 hours of going to sleep.**

**The first two weeks of the program, have a deep muscle massage 3x per week. After that I will undergo 10 sessions of Rolfing.**

**1 Colonic per month for the six months**

**Have 1 chiropratic adjustment per week.**

**I exercise 4-5 times per week**

**My diet consists of the following items. Chicken, broccli, spinach, zucchini, lettuce, oatmeal, egg whites, ion-exchanged protein powder(it is lactose and fat free), brown rice, turkey, ginger/peppermint tea, flaxseed oil, olive oil and spices(oregano, rosemary, etc.)
One day would look like this....
Meal 1, Oatmeal
Meal 2 Oatmeal
Meal 3, Chicken cooked in olive oil, with vegtables.
Meal 4, Protein shake with 2 tbsp of flax oil.
Meal 5, Egg Whites
Meal 6, Chicken and Veg.


**Supplements taken during 6 months**
10 grams of l-glutamine(Twinlabs), taken throughout the day
Multi-vitamin by Metagenics or Twinlabs
Probiotics(PB8), taken 2 with every major meal.
Digestive enzymes(Twinlabs), 2 taken after every major meal.
Vitamin B-5(Twinlabs), 500 mg/day
B-12, 1000-2000 mcg/day
Psylium Husk (Yerba Prima)1 tsp in the morning and at night.
Bentonite (Yerba Prima) taken for months 1, 2, and 4. 1 tbsp taken with the psylium husk.
Wheatgrass tabs, taken for month 1.
Milk Thistle, 2 caps taken for month 1.(For liver)
Dandelion taken for month 1.(For liver)

**Natural Anti-fungals taken during the six months**
Undecenoic acid, caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract tabs and Pau D'Arco Tea. One of these will be rotated every four days

**Prescription Anti-Fungals**
Nystain, 750,000 units 4x/day for months 2, 3 and 4.

**After month 6, depending on symptoms, I will slowly reintroduce foods into my diet. Still taking all the supplements and natural anti-fungal for at least 1 more year.**


Other questions....

1. If you could please give me any feedback about my program, it would be greatly appreciated.

2. Are there any SR cd's that you recommend?

3. When I start with this diet, I stop all sugar. I am fine until about the 3rd day. Usually on the 3rd day, I get really depressed, tired, have cold sweats, headaches and muscle fatigue. Is there anything to do that will help me through this time. I understand that this is only for a few days, but those few days are hell.

I know this was a long post, but for those who got through it, I thank you for any opinions that you may have.



Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by
kalf on May 10, 2001 at 22:01:26:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Brad, first, congratulations on starting on the path to actually healing yourself as opposed to masking the symptoms. Judging by your due diligence in researching the site and reading the materials, I can sense you are motivated, and that is 90% of the battle. I'm a 2 month rookie of this site, but my brief experience has motivated me to post her and assist others. I've made great progress in this time when over the past several years, nothing worked for me. I now have energy, clarify of vision, and a clearing mind that I had forgotten existed. So, thanks to Dr. Stoll for exposing the truth of the matter!

I will suggest some modifications to your program and you can research, consider, or experiment as you wish. I believe we are all different, and so there is no formula for everyone. Listen carefully to your body. That said, I think your program looks real good and is close to what I followed.

I would do the SR as much as you can. I view 20minx2 as maintenance. You have some long going problems and so I'd be more aggressive if you can. I don't believe it will harm you (it didn't for me as I was doing 1hr a day*2. You might think you don't have the time for it, but I found by doing SR that I was able to reduce my sleep cycles (and increase the quality of it) so I sleep 2-3 hrs less a day and don't take naps during the day. So, I actually make up time!

Spirtual enlightenment sure helps also if you want to consider that path...

I don't use CD's so I cannot help there. I just use the "atmosphere" channel on my TV or listen to the nature outside. Whatever gets you into the relaxed state is what you want. I've heard you should use biofeedback to know when you are in that state (alpha/theta), but I believe you will know when you are in it. You'll start breathing differently (more freely) and a sense of deep relaxation.

The colonic is likely a good idea. Consider enemas if you need further assistance through the week. You don't want to get hooked on them, but I would use them to help your system along until it starts to function on its own. Just don't use them because you normally do. Listen carefully to your body.

Hard to say about the foods. Given your past issues, you likely have food allergies to many items. Is this what you normally eat? If so, then I'd go towards other foods. You'll be the judge, just listen to your body. This is the hardest part as you may make a little progress, then something sets you off and you get messed up again. That can take days to recover from. Rotation foods is a good idea and I would be free to try new vegetables and grains, things you hadn't eaten much before to give you more diversity. Examples: teff, amaranth, quinoa, buckwheat, (it is not wheat). If you want protein, consider nut butters (if you can afford them or grind them yourslef). They are really good and have lots of calories, if that is what you want or need. Cashew, macadamia, peacan, walnut, filbert etc.. are exceptional. I buy the nuts and grind them myself. You don't want to go overboard on anything of course.

I just ordered a food allergy test (Immuno Labs) as I know something sets me off and I'm not sure exactly what (I suspect milk products). Possibly a waste of money, but at this point, I'm having fun with this so it is a good learning experience for me. I'd be glad to let you know what I think.

You have low carbs and higher protein. Some candida sources say don't do carbs, but from what I gathered on this site, they are ok. I've been eating carbs and the candida hasn't gone away, but my gut definitely has healed. If I didn't eat them, I'd lack energy as I tried it. So, do whatever works for you, but I wouldn't be afraid to try the grain carbs as long as they are whole grain foods.

Digestive enzymes...I've read that they should be taken right before the meal. So, not sure about taking them afterwards...
Good job on the natural anti fungals...you can buy the pau d arco in some stores as "bark" and make your own tea. It is actually quite good and cheap that way.

The die off is unpleasant. My advise is take the two or three days it takes (a weekend and day off work) and just suffer. Enjoy it, because it will be the last time. I suspect you are motivated to avoid the cookie jar at this point;) Drink water, sleep, try SR are all I can offer. I would not take drugs to mask the symptoms, but that is your call.

I hope there are some tidbits in here of value for you. Best of luck Brad!




Re: excercise after SR

Posted by
kalf on May 10, 2001 at 22:03:47:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

One other thought. I find that after SR, it is good to do some excercise or activity. I think that is why if you do it before bed, it doesn't work so well. Our systems must be releasing chemicals that via excercise, get worked out of our body. I hope this is helpful.



Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 22:19:48:

In Reply to: Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by kalf on May 10, 2001 at 22:01:26:

Thanks. Doesn't a 7 day elimination diet get rid of those food allergies? I know I get bloated when I eat some of the food, i.e broccli, oatmeal, fiber supps. I thought that just may be my body getting used to those foods as well as the increased fiber intake. Out of all the foods on the "candida" diet, these are the only ones I like, so hopefully I can stick with these.



Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by Davetx on May 11, 2001 at 00:09:07:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Brad, I wish you the best on your journey, it will not be easy but it is worth it. Only two suggestions I offer. 1. Looking back when I did mine, I suggest not to bail off into cutting all the bad foods out at once, work into it over a 2 week period. 2. At the end of the six month period look into primal defense, it has really put the finishing touches to my wellness. Also try and get some raw garlic in there daily. I started what you are starting 5 years ago and 7 months into it lost all food allergies that I had had for years. I now can eat anything, even strawberries which I have never been able to eat because of lips swelling and rash. These are just suggestions They may not work for you because everyone is different. Good luck

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Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by Barbara on May 11, 2001 at 03:43:03:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Good luck with your plan! My suggestion would be to be careful with the oatmeal. I was eating oatmeal and brown rice as the only two whole grains in my diet. Later I found out I was having a reaction to the oatmeal. I've downloaded alot of relaxation cds from the net to try. So far I like Oasis by hemisync and deep meditation by brain sync the best. Another thing you can add to your protein drink are pumpkin seeds. They are great antifungals and so antiparasitics. Success!

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Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by
kalf on May 11, 2001 at 12:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 22:19:48:

After your leaky gut is healed, it should help. If you generate a lot of mucus and feel histamines triggered, then you are having a reaction to the food. Trouble is that could take up to 48hrs to occur, so keeping a log of what you eat is good to see what triggers. If you eat the same stuff over and over (not a diverse diet), you could develop allergies to those things also, making it more difficult for your body to eliminate and heal.

Either way, you are on the right path. You have to discover what works for you, but don't be affraid to try things you never tried before. You will likely tolerate them better than the regular foods you eat.



Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by Your program on May 11, 2001 at 13:14:00:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Hi. I have been through this before so I know first hand what has to happen. Just remember that doing too much is just as bad as doing not enough. You are not getting a full range of nutrients from your diet and you are not eating enough vegetables (according to your example "day of eating"). Your protein intake is too high in relation to vegetables/carbs. You will most likely become consitpated with this diet. The anti-candida diet is not meant to be a ketogenic diet. feel free to eat complex carbs, just less of them. Main food should be leafy vegetables.

Oatmeal is not a good idea while fighting candida. It contains gluten that can irritate your GI tract. Stay aways from wheat,oats,barley during this time and feel free to eat amaranth, quinoa, teff, millet, and gluten-free breads.

Your supplement program seems fine but you are wasting your time with probiotics at this time. You are killing the probiotics you take when you take antifungals. Scratch them for now. Take them in 6 months when your candida is gone.

Be careful with pysllium/bentonite. When taken by themselves with no supporting herbs or soluble fibers, they can get stuck to your intestinal wall. I would take a product like herbal fiberblend or some other fiber supplement that contained: pysllium, guar gum, apple pectin, ginger, fennel, tumeric, fenugreek, digestive enzymes. This type of fiber will help the inflammation in your GI tract.

Aloe Vera juice may be a good addition. Don't know if this feeds candida or not but it is excellent for reducing inflammation and healing LGS. Take 1/4 cup before each meal. First do research and make sure this won't worsen your candida.

The B vitamins are double-edged sword. They may help your digestion, anxiety, but they will feed candida. Candida uses the B vitamins in its metabolism. You need to decide what is more important to you right now.

Everything else is fine.

-hope this helps you



Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by Brad on May 11, 2001 at 18:39:08:

In Reply to: Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Your program on May 11, 2001 at 13:14:00:

A couple more question...

1. Is it ok to take fiberblend with Bentonite?

2. If I cut out the B vitmains, can I still take a multi-vit?

3. I eat alot of vegs with my chicken meals, and also take wheatgrass, which is supposed to equal 2 servings of vegs. Is that enough?

4. Oatmeal is a big part of my diet. It does not seem to bloat me, usually, If I eat it, I am fine with it. Do I still need to take that out? And if it does bloat me, I think it may be becuase of the fiber. In the past fiber was not a big part of my diet.

5,Do they make anything else out of millet, teff, quinoa and amaranth besides bread?

6. My only protein comes from the 1 piece of chicken, egg whites and protein shake. The only reason I like the protein shake is that I mix 2 tbsp's of flaxseed oil in it. Flax by it self tastes aweful.

7. I maybe have 100ish grams of protein a day. That I believe is average.

8. Does apple pectin contain sugar??

9. Does fiberblend contain sugar??

Thank you very much for your responses.




Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by leon cavallo on May 11, 2001 at 19:59:38:

In Reply to: Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 11, 2001 at 18:39:08:

hi
i am picking up ur message in the middle of things, sorry...i dont know who you were asking or whatever, but i have some experience with a few of these things.

i dunno what fiberblend is, but i have used bentonite liquid very successfully with psyllium SEEDS AND HUSKS so maybe the idea is the same as fiberblend-- both soluable and insoluable fiber.

the more vegetables the better, with no limit. i really began to feel an effect from that when i began juicing two entire bunches of vegetables per day. fresher helps more-- bc we want to get biologically active enzymes from the vegetables, which will not survive a manufaturing/handling process.

do they make anything else of those other grains ? probably, but we just eat those grains...get the benefit of them entirely...whole foods...boil millet and teff and spelt and amaranth and brown rice and quinoi and wheat berries and barley on the stove by itself...this is what we do...not suggesting you should, just saying we do this with great results...

there is tons of protein in all the food we eat, from vegetables to grains...its differnt from the protein in meats/what we normally think of as protein, beacuase not all the esssential amino acids are together in these other sources,as they are in meats, but, they meet your body's needs for amino acids just the same (and thats why we eat proteins ;-)...in fact there are many benefits of getting your amino acids in this way. you could easily drop any of those protein sources (like the SHAKE ! ;-) bc of all the bad things also in it, but that piece of chicken is loaded with toxins for your gut lining if it is regularly raised chicken). quinoi is a very strange grain in that it does provide all eight essential amino acids...its justa touch light on phenyl-alanine, but just barely...

it took me along time to realize too, but if your flax oil tastes that bad, it is spoiled-- the fat in it has suffererd hazardous peroxidation ! either the company that makes it doesnt do it carefully or the store doesnt handle it right. once you taste flax oil that is fine, you will realize that flax oil has no strong taste.

100 grams of prtein a day is pretty average-- for protein-overfed americans...its quite a bit actually.


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Any thoughts Dr. Stoll?

Posted by Brad on May 11, 2001 at 20:13:59:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

I would extremely appreciate them. I am anxious to get me program together and start. I am currently following the whole foods diet, and would like to ease in to getting ride of my LGS and Candida overgrowth. Thank you.

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Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by R. on May 12, 2001 at 01:52:07:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

My post will be short as it is very late here.

Why do you eat only egg whites as opposed to whole eggs? Are avoiding fat for some serious reason. If so, I'd recommend perusing www.westonaprice.org. If not, eat whole eggs or egg yolks, if you must pick a piece, as they have the nutrients, not the whites.

I think you shoud go through enough of liver/gallbladder flush procedures to optimize performance of your liver and gallbladder.

If you have missed an arhived post at bcn.net/~stoll/archives/lgs/34176.html, read it now.

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Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts....

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 12, 2001 at 11:07:04:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Hi, Brad.

Pretty good program. How is your Nystatin supplied?

Whatever SR works. No one can predict what will work for you that is why there are SO many approaches offered.

Once you have digested the Whole Foods Book, you will have a better idea why you have so many persistant symptoms when you cut out sugar (Something I would NEVER try without Beth's book.

Let us know how you do.

Walt

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Re: excercise after SR (??)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 12, 2001 at 11:09:33:

In Reply to: Re: excercise after SR posted by kalf on May 10, 2001 at 22:03:47:

Actually, Kalf.

The recommendation, for best results, is to never do exercise right after SR but to always do it right before.

Walt

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Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 12, 2001 at 11:10:46:

In Reply to: Re: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by kalf on May 11, 2001 at 12:18:49:

Thanks, All.

Walt

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Last Program Question......

Posted by Brad on May 12, 2001 at 16:03:06:

In Reply to: My LGS/Candida Program...Your thoughts.... posted by Brad on May 10, 2001 at 20:53:46:

Even though Oatmeal does not cause me problems, should I use it on this diet?

Should I use B vitamins on the diet?

Any last suggestions, I am starting tomorrow.

Thanks to everyone that answered.



Re: Last Program Question......

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 14, 2001 at 08:16:44:

In Reply to: Last Program Question...... posted by Brad on May 12, 2001 at 16:03:06:

Hi, Brad.

No problem.

Walt

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