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Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...

Posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 12:54:10:

Hi Doc stoll,

I thought for the longest time that I had low stomach acid because I don't digest proteins very well (low chymotrpysin on CDSA and high uric acid in urine testing). I also have been battling candida and parasites which are killed by HCL. Not to mention the belching, bloating, gas after meals
and food sensitivites. It all just made sense

Well, I just found out today that I am borderline HIGH stomach acid as shown by the heidelburg gastric analysis. They asked me if I had been checked for h. pylori. I had. In May of 2000 I came out negative. Is it likely that I NOW have an infection? Would you re-test it armed with this new informtation?

Anyway, My symptoms are burning stomach after eating some foods, bloating, gas, belching, and intolerance to eating meat (which makes no sense when I have plenty of stomach acid to digest it). I ONLY get hearburn if I eat carbohydrates by themselves. For example, if I eat lentil soup and vegetables, I will get heartburn every time. If I eat meat and vegetables, no heartburn but I get more of the other symptoms. How would you handle this problem in the short-term AND the long-term? I have a lot of food sensitivites so my digestion needs help. I have switched to whole foods diet. I combine foods properly. I am struggling with finding the right digestive enzyme. It seems that I need a high amount of protease but I fear that I will worsen an already inflammed digestive system. Any solid advice for me? I would really appreciate it!

I am very familiar with this site and I practice SR daily (For close to 2 years now). i have been verified through Biofeedback and it HAS helped but this part is difficult to budge.

Thank you.

Amy



Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...

Posted by doc bob on June 15, 2001 at 14:58:18:

In Reply to: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 12:54:10:

how long have you been on the whole foods diet ? are you staying away from caffiene, tobacco, sugar in all forms?? sounds like you still have leaky gut and you probably still have a candida overgrowth, this stuff is stubborn, continue with s/r, whole foods- also relax when you eat( try to eliminate anything you know you get a reaction to) also try wobenzyme enzymes 3 or 4 tablets 1/2 hr prior to eating and try taking a teaspoon of powdered l- glutamine in some water 3 times a day for several months to heal the gut walls, take a good pro biotic supplement everyday and use whatever you want to kill the candida( nystatin or go natural dont over do it though) and keep it up it will work eventually.



Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...

Posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 18:32:56:

In Reply to: Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by doc bob on June 15, 2001 at 14:58:18:

thanks for the suggestions. unfortunately for me, I am already doing every last one of them. I have been whole foods for 3 years. I don't eat ANY processed foods. I take wobenzyme between meals. I take l-glutamine 3x a day. I take several good probitiotics. My candida overgrowth has been gone for several months (as indicated on CDSA). My flora levels are optimal (CDSA). Testing shows a LOT of food allergies so I am certain the LGS is still there. I can't seem to shake the gas, bloating, bowel problems despite all this.

I am afraid that the HCL is damaging my small intestine, flattening my villi, and contributing to malabsorption. I am also afraid that my pancreas is not secreting the proper bicarbonate to buffer the small intestine. any idea how to test that?

Thanks,'
Amy



Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...

Posted by beth on June 15, 2001 at 23:09:22:

In Reply to: Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 18:32:56:

I know, I'm going to sound like a broken record, but magnesium supplementation really helped my gas, bloating and IBS type symptoms. I take 1200-1500 mgs a day depending on what I ate, Twinlabs brand. I know Dr. Stoll recommends the liquid. Just a suggestion.



Thanks Beth. I appreciate the help.........NMI

Posted by Amy on June 16, 2001 at 00:48:18:

In Reply to: Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by beth on June 15, 2001 at 23:09:22:

nmi

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Amy, see my post below on LGS. nmi

Posted by Helping you on June 16, 2001 at 00:49:11:

In Reply to: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 12:54:10:

nmi

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Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...(Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 17, 2001 at 08:45:12:

In Reply to: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 12:54:10:

Hi, Amy.

Perfect pattern and findings for LGS and developing hypersensitivities to individual foodstuffs BECAUSE of the LGS.

I am concerned that you say that you practice SR daily. I have never seen anyone resolve LGS with once a day SR.

Walt



To Dr. Stoll again.................

Posted by Amy on June 17, 2001 at 15:05:31:

In Reply to: Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...(Archive in LGS.) posted by Walt Stoll on June 17, 2001 at 08:45:12:

So you are saying I need to heal the LGS first? I don't have bugs so this is my issue most likely? Avoiding the food allergies doesn't really make much difference in my symptoms. I avoid them anyway just so I don't make things worse.

Can you tell me why you feel that having higher-than-normal stomach acid would be implicated in LGS? I tend to think that the increased acid would ensure that the protein is being broken down properly. From what I understand, it is protein that contributes to food allergies.

I am having a CDSA with parasitology, Intestinal Permeability, and Gluten essay done, I will post the results if you have the time to give them a once over. Thanks again.

I am doing SR 2 times a day like mentioned. Just in case you think I am doing it only once.

-Amy



Re: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll...

Posted by Davetx on June 17, 2001 at 22:34:20:

In Reply to: Just had Heidelburg gastric analysis.....Question for Dr. Stoll... posted by Amy on June 15, 2001 at 12:54:10:

Amy, The lentil soup, is it comming out of a can, The reason I am asking is because I found out on my way to wellness that I could and still can not eat any soup, especially with cream of in front of it till this day. I think it is a preserative that I am allergic to. It would give me deadly heartburn. This really confused me for a while till I discovered it. Just thought I would mention this. Good luck

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DR. STOLL. VERY IMPORTANT

Posted by Amy on June 18, 2001 at 13:05:17:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll again................. posted by Amy on June 17, 2001 at 15:05:31:

My intestinal permeability came back today. It was solidly normal. Right smack in the middle of the reference range. So, I don't have LGS. Why then, do I have all these food sensitivites? Unless, I somehow healed the LGS through all this and now the only thing left is the hypersenitivites? That's all I can come up with. And, if that IS the case, what can I do about it now? Thanks so much Dr. Stoll

-Amy

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Re: To Dr. Stoll again.................

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 19, 2001 at 08:59:02:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll again................. posted by Amy on June 17, 2001 at 15:05:31:

Hi, Amy.

LGS has many parameters which is why conventionally thinking physicians have such a hard time with it. They would prefer something very simple. LGS is as likely to produce high acid as low. The point is that healthy people have normal acid. Whether the acid is high or low is a genetically determined outcome of the problem & NOT environmentally determined.

It is a mistake to treat a lab test! The lab would be the first to say that! The results are but one small piece of the whole picture which the lab is not equipped to evaluate and that is why they refer to the physician on the spot--many who are also not equipped to understand the significance of the entire picture (most enlightened physicians would be the first to say THAT as well). 100 years from now we will look back and see what we did not know at this point.

It IS possible (even likely) that you have cured the LGS and now have to eliminate the hypersensitivities that were the result of the LGS. TOTAL elimination fo the offending substance for at least 6 months is what allows the system to "reset" itself to perhaps begin to tolerate this substance again--so long as the LGs is kept under control.

It was interesting to see the Science News or Nutrition Action writers begin to acknowledge that set of facts just this last week.

I forget: did you check your SR with biofeedback to be sure it was working and how long have you done the SR twice a day?

The lab results are very hopeful that you have climbed several steps toward the resolution of this problem.

Walt



Re: To Dr. Stoll again.................(Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 19, 2001 at 08:59:29:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll again................. posted by Amy on June 17, 2001 at 15:05:31:

Hi, Amy.

LGS has many parameters which is why conventionally thinking physicians have such a hard time with it. They would prefer something very simple. LGS is as likely to produce high acid as low. The point is that healthy people have normal acid. Whether the acid is high or low is a genetically determined outcome of the problem & NOT environmentally determined.

It is a mistake to treat a lab test! The lab would be the first to say that! The results are but one small piece of the whole picture which the lab is not equipped to evaluate and that is why they refer to the physician on the spot--many who are also not equipped to understand the significance of the entire picture (most enlightened physicians would be the first to say THAT as well). 100 years from now we will look back and see what we did not know at this point.

It IS possible (even likely) that you have cured the LGS and now have to eliminate the hypersensitivities that were the result of the LGS. TOTAL elimination fo the offending substance for at least 6 months is what allows the system to "reset" itself to perhaps begin to tolerate this substance again--so long as the LGs is kept under control.

It was interesting to see the Science News or Nutrition Action writers begin to acknowledge that set of facts just this last week.

I forget: did you check your SR with biofeedback to be sure it was working and how long have you done the SR twice a day?

The lab results are very hopeful that you have climbed several steps toward the resolution of this problem.

Walt

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last point to Dr. Stoll.

Posted by Amy on June 19, 2001 at 13:24:42:

In Reply to: Re: To Dr. Stoll again................. posted by Walt Stoll on June 19, 2001 at 08:59:02:

yes. Verified through Biofeedback. Who knows, maybe this is why my LGS healed for now. What you said to me makes a lot of sense. So far, it seems I am doing well (at least as far as the tests go) but I am still having the gas a lot. This is my main GI symptom. I am not allergic to gluten (test just came back) and eliminating my allergic foods has not changed that. The 2 doctors I am seeing feel that it may be bacteria problem. They feel that some kind of pathogenic bacteria (which has not showed up on tests) is causing the gas by fermenting the food. They both recommended soil organisms and different germicides (taking rotating every 4-5 days to figure out which works best if any at all. This seems like a decent plan being that I am doing everything else correct. What do you think? Thanks again for your replies :)

Amy



Re: last point to Dr. Stoll. (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 21, 2001 at 08:48:23:

In Reply to: last point to Dr. Stoll. posted by Amy on June 19, 2001 at 13:24:42:

Thanks, Amy.

Sounds reasonable to me. Gave you yet added L-glutamine or the essential fatty acids. It is now been substantiated that they both promote LGS healing. Remember that the current tests for LGS are beyond nearly all the commercial clinical labs in the country and even those doing the tests regularly would be the first to say that we have a long way to go to determine the details of the condition (in the lab).

Remember the wise man who said: "God is in the details."

At least you are on the right track!

Namaste`

Walt

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