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Posted by beth on July 09, 2001 at 20:34:12:

I've been searching on the web for health related information for a while. I love Dr. Stoll's site because so much of it makes sense. Recently I've been reading a lot about colon cleanses and mucoid plaque. As I have had constipation issues and there's always a feeling of fullness in my colon, I've seriously been considering this.

My question is, has anyone had any experience with these cleanses and what have the results been? And for Dr. Stoll, what is your take on the existence of mucoid plaque in the colon and small intestine? Would a cleanse be helpful?

I've included a couple of links for reference:

This one is from a company that sells cleansing stuff. It has frames, so I can't really give you a direct link. Look under "basics of cleansing". Christies cleanse corner is where I buy my Primal Defense.

http://www.transformyourlife.com/

The other one is located here. Both of these sites have been referenced on this web page more than once. The second one is long, but it's good.



Re: To Dr. Stoll and anyone who has had experience with a cleanse and mucoid plaque...

Posted by Helping you on July 10, 2001 at 01:26:05:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll and anyone who has had experience with a cleanse and mucoid plaque... posted by beth on July 09, 2001 at 20:34:12:

S.H.A.P.E may be a good person to post directly to as he/she seems to have had a few experiences with this. I will say this though....I am not convinced that muchoid plaque actually exists. At least not to the degree depicted in health magazines, detox retreats, and cleansing websites. Let me explain.

I have asked many gastroenterologists about this. Many were very open and willing to talk to me about it. None have reported ever seeing anything like that. All they see is a pink, hollow tube. I have also seen video of colonoscopies many times and have never seen evidence of muchoid plaque. Now, this doesn't mean it somehow can't be there under certain conditions. I am merely saying, I have never seen it nor have doctors I have spoke to. Now, you may find this interesting. I started a colon cleanse about 2 years ago that involved ingesting increasing amounts of pysllium and bentonite clay. I noticed, within 24 hours that my stool was starting to look "ropy" like the muchoid plaque pictures. It wasn't black, purple or tar-like. It was a normal colored, textured stool but starting to look rather ropy. The more I took, the more it resembled this. When I stopped the products, it went away. I theorize that this muchoid plaque may be nothing more than a bi-product of the fiber itself. Some of these programs have you eating no food and only taking fiber. This may be the mechanism that turns this stuff into a rope-like substance. I think that constipation, stagnant colon and many other bowel-related problems have more to do with gut ecology, bowel muscle tone, water levels, diet, and colon abnormalities than with "muchoid plaque". Try these suggestions instead and see if your constipation does not clear up rather soon.

1) Increase high-water content foods - whole grains cooked in water, lentils, steamed or cooked vegetables, fruits (especially apples and berries)
2) Increase water consumption
3) Decrease dry foods such as breads, nuts, seeds, meats (have about 3oz of meat per day if you are a meat-eater. More if you feel the need)
4) EXERCISE!!!!! - especially do crunches or sit-ups
5) Sit at the toilet the same times every day and eat at regular intervals.
6) Take a powerful probiotic. Something that has at least 10 billion organisms per capsule

7) Lastly, find a mercury thermometor. Starting at about 3-4 hours after rising, take your oral temp. Do this 3 times a day at 3-4 hour intervals. At the end of the day, take your 3 temps., add them up, and divide the total by 3 to get your average daily temp. If your temp is under 98.2 degrees, consider the possibility of an underactive thyroid (which can cause constipation). If your temps are abnormal, follow up with TSH, T3 and T4 for thyroid function (measure the free levels not total).

I bet within a few weeks, you will be resolving most of your constipation without harsh cleansers. If you need one, use flax, apple pectin, or guar gum.

Hope this helps



Re: To Dr. Stoll and anyone who has had experience with a cleanse and mucoid plaque... Archive in colon problems.

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2001 at 10:31:57:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll and anyone who has had experience with a cleanse and mucoid plaque... posted by beth on July 09, 2001 at 20:34:12:

Hi, Beth.

Listen to "helping" (Thanks, helping! I could not have answered as well as you have!)

Namaste`

Walt

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Thanks Helping you, just what I was interested in...

Posted by beth on July 10, 2001 at 12:09:30:

In Reply to: Re: To Dr. Stoll and anyone who has had experience with a cleanse and mucoid plaque... posted by Helping you on July 10, 2001 at 01:26:05:

My opinion after reading the info on the sties was also "Is it actually mucoid plaque or is it what the bentonite and all the herbs/psyllium they are doing?" Because, I have found that if my colon is cleared, I have a pretty flat stomach. And I've seen x-rays of that area on me and it looks pretty normal.

I have a lot of problems, not just constipation. But the constipation was one of the earliest, so I think they're all related. I've also been on lots of prescription drugs over the years which encouraged this condition (have cut back to almost none). I take magnesium, but I still think I could benefit from the kind of cleanse you talk about above. I'm taking 6 primal defense a day now, which seems to make the problem worse (but they say in their documentation that it might make it worse for a while).

What's the deal with a mercury thermometer? I have a battery powered one, is that not as good? I once did the "wake in the morning" temperature check and my temp was always high. But then I sleep under tons of covers. I have noticed that later in the day my temp is low.

Thanks again for your help.

Beth



Re: Thanks Helping you, just what I was interested in...

Posted by Helping you on July 10, 2001 at 23:02:58:

In Reply to: Thanks Helping you, just what I was interested in... posted by beth on July 10, 2001 at 12:09:30:

Digital therm is not accurate. You need a mercury or at least those new germanium ones. As long as it resembles the mercury, it should be fine. I believe the average oral temp to be more accurate than the underarm. Try it, average it, and post the results of 5 days doing this.

The PD makes it worse only for a short amount of time. this is very good mews. It means that your gut ecology is altered and PD is starting to change the environment. This wages a small "war" in your intestines so things will be worse. They always are during war. This will pass (no pun intended [lol]).

The prescription meds can easily throw off your gut ecology. Try the suggestions I gave you. These should help a bit if not a lot. Resolution of the problem will be more likely if you identify ALL the causative factors. Consider bacterial overgrowth, chronic bracing (which leads to LGS). If you have any more questions, just ask


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