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Re: stomach woes

Posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 15:20:33:

First of all, this is a great site. I have learned SO much from the archives, but I know that this is just the beginning of my education. I'm writing because I want affirmation that I'm going about this correctly; I'm a novice at this:

I've had burning in my stomach for two years, after being diagnosed with GERD after anti-inflammatories and living in Europe for 5 months. I took Prevacid for a long time, which helped my symptoms greatly--for a few months. Then the Prevacid gave me diarrhea, and my stomach felt irritated (no reflux at this point). I then took myself off the Prevacid to see if my stomach would go back to normal. Despite efforts to change my diet and after about 5 months, nothing improved. Last Fall I saw a nontraditional doctor who told me that I was probably low in stomach acid (no tests to prove this), and I began supplementing with HCl. It worsened the burning; he concluded that my mucosa was scorched, which is why the acid worsened my symptoms. We tried a milder HCl/enzyme combo, which slightly improved things but not much. OTC antacids made me worse, supplementing with a little acid didn't seem to help much. Then, during last January, I developed mild gnawing in my stomach; I got an endoscopy. The tissue looked fine, so the doc didn't take a biopsy. I just continued on my HCl/enzyme supplementation. At this point, I saw an alternative doc who told me to do a Great Smokies CDSA w/ Parasitology. It revealed that I had high dysbiosis and 4+ on Candida. I also had Blastocystis Hominus. LGS factors were low but not alarmingly so--right on the border. My colon was slightly alkaline. I went on a stronger HCl supplement as a result, with the recommendation to take Diflucan (although I didn't). My symptoms steadily worsened; the gnawing grew more persistent, and I started waking up at night with my stomach gurgling and burning, with occasional nausea. It tended to be worse in the morning. It got to the point where even food didn't help to calm it down. Then it got terrible very quickly. I have never been in so much pain in my life. My stomach burned like I had swallowed fire, and one particular spot seemed to be irritated more than the rest; it would spasm; when it released, it would gurgle intensely. I belched a lot, which is very rare for me. Food worsened my stomach; it would growl violently if I even drank some lukewarm water. I couldn't sleep; even lying down or sitting made it worse; I stood up a lot and didn't sleep and ate little for nearly 2 weeks. It was Hell on Earth. I went to the ER; CT was fine, and endoscopy revealed that my stomach and dudenum were irritated (no ulcer), and a biopsy revealed h-pylori. I was put on a regimen of Amoxicillin, Biaxin, and Prilosec for 14 days. It was terrible, terrible, terrible until Day 4, at which point I felt like brand new. After that, there was slight gastric irritation about 2" below my sternum (present before antibiotics), but I thought nothing of it. Then on Day 12, the irritation got worse. A week ago, I took my last dose of antibiotics. 2 days later, it flared up again, although not as bad as the first time. But that intense, constant pain, gnawing, and burning was back in the 2" below sternum spot. It would gurgle, and food made it worse. I just felt cruddy all over. I assumed that the infection had returned; my doc said that he wouldn't try more treatment until we did a breath test, which is scheduled for Aug 8.

I didn't want to wait that long for relief; I was in SO much constant pain. I did some research on your site and others and learned that mastic killed h-pylori in a test tube. So, I bought some mastic and Olive Leaf Extract and took maximum doses of these. I also got some L-Glutamine; I'm now up to 10 grams. I took myself off of the Prilosec. 2 days ago I added Oil of Oregano. I'm currently taking a comprehensive plant-based digestive enzyme and yesterday began Primal Defense. After a few days of this, I began to feel better, though certainly not where I want to be. I'm supposed to be off of all antibiotics and substances that would do violence to h-pylori for 2 weeks before the test; I'm afraid that the mastic and OLE and Primal Defense will interfere. I'm still feeling cruddy but not TERRIBLE; part of me wants to just get off of some of this stuff and get the test done asap, while the other part wants to give it another week and postpone the test. Your opinions would be welcome here. Also, what do you think of my current protocol? I know that I need to add SR; I'm currently reading Stoll's book and the books recommended for SR. THANK YOU everyone for your help.



Re: oops--forgot something

Posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 15:24:27:

In Reply to: Re: stomach woes posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 15:20:33:

I forgot to mention that I am reading up on my metabolic type. I'm having problems with diet because my stomach just can't seem to handle any fibrous foods--many fruits and veggies--skins are hard to digest. My stomach can tolerate what Candida likes, which is frustrating. Eating whole foods irritates my condition. I want to get my stomach better and kill the yeast. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.



Re: oops--forgot something

Posted by Helping you on July 31, 2001 at 20:05:01:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 15:24:27:

If you didnt have LGS before, you probably have it now. You burning stomach can be cause by low OR high stomach acid. Get a test known as the Heidelburg Gastric analysis. This will tell with 100% accuracy what the level of acid is in your stomach.

For one thing, immediately start taking chewable DGL tablets. This is a potent healer of the stomach and esophogus mucosa. It exhibits action against h.pylor which could be a factor for you.

Pick up a multiple PLANT ENZYME formula that has plenty of cellulase in it. also, when eating foods, cook your foods thoroughly and do not eat raw foods. Stick ONLY to foods that do not cause severe symptoms for now. You may have food sensitivities now that need to be dealt with. A test called the ELISA test can help this. Immuno Labs is most accurate IgG food allergy test available.

Immediately start SR. If you are unfamiliar with it, look it up in the archives. This will start the healing of LGS.

For the dysbiosis, you really need an antifungal protocol but you need to take herbal antifungals that will not irritate your gastromucosal lining. Let me think about which ones will be good and I will get back to you.

Pick up some aloe vera juice and start drinking 1/4 cup before each meal.

Try these suggestions and especially get the HCL test I talked about. Let me know if you have questions.

It took quite some time for your digestion to get this way. It will take some time to get it back.

NOTE: Candida proliferates in an alkaline intestinal tract. You can acidify the GI tract by taking Soil organisms. It is best to do this AFTER you have killed candida directly with antifungals. One such soil product is called Primal Defense and can be purchased at www.crohns.net. Once you have killed candida with herbs, you can take probiotics (such as FLORA SOURCE) and Primal Defense to re-acidfy your GI tract. At this point, Candida cannot live there.

For direct healing of LGS, SR is essential. The only other recommendation would be to take L-glutamine. This heals the gut very fast.

If you have questions after studying this, let me know




Re: oops--forgot something--Helping You

Posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 22:37:38:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something posted by Helping you on July 31, 2001 at 20:05:01:

Bless your heart. Thank you so much, Helping. I'm already taking 10 g of L-Glutamine/day; I'll definitely keep that up. And I'm already using a plant enzyme, which I will continue. I've done allergy testing through Great Smokies; I DID have sensitivities, but they were in the "very low" category; I'm wondering how completely accurate a test like that is. I've heard that allergy testing isn't foolproof because it's in vitro, not in vivo, so it doesn't take certain body conditions and tissues into account.

I've been taking Oil of Oregano, but that irritates my stomach. The Olive Leaf Extract and Mastic seem to do just fine.

I take it from your response that I should NOT try Primal Defense at this point; I've been taking it for a couple of days. But it sounds like I should stop b/c it won't do much good.

The Heidelberg Gastric Analysis sounds great. I'm assuming that a regular MD would not agree to conduct this test. I go to a chiropractor, and I know of a doctor like Dr. Stoll. What kind of "healers" (some docs are NOT healers) would be most likely to conduct this test?

I'm very, very new to anything SR, and I have read some books recommended on this site. I have a lot of options to choose from. In your opinion, what is generally the easiest type of SR to master? My brain goes 230 mph all of the time; I can imagine that it will be difficult to get into the correct state.

I await your word on the anti-fungals. Thank you VERY much for your help.



SR

Posted by beth on July 31, 2001 at 23:53:27:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something--Helping You posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 22:37:38:

Something easy that you can try is meditation tapes or CDs. I have found them invaluable. And even if your mind is racing, it's easy to return your mind to the person's voice on the tapes. For relaxation and stress reduction, I find Belleruth Naparstek's voice to be wonderful. You can buy her tapes at the URL below. I also like Dick Sutphen (www.dicksutphen.com) but when my mind is racing, Belleruth is the best to calm me down. Good luck!

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Re: oops--forgot something--Helping You

Posted by Helping you on August 01, 2001 at 00:04:31:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something--Helping You posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 22:37:38:

On the contrary, the heidelburg test is a conventional test. It just happens to be the best thing out there for HCL levels.

I will get back to you on the antifungals.

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Re: oops--forgot something

Posted by PeterB on August 01, 2001 at 09:28:39:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something posted by Helping you on July 31, 2001 at 20:05:01:

Do you feel a person should ALWAYS prefer stricly plant-based enzymes? I just bought some with ox bile because I know the action will be stronger. Bad idea? Appreciate your thots.



Re: oops--forgot something

Posted by Helping you on August 01, 2001 at 10:00:39:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something posted by PeterB on August 01, 2001 at 09:28:39:

No. Not at all. Anybody that uses the words ALWAYS, NEVER when they are discussing nutrition is probably selling something or is biased one way or another. If your pancreas is not producing enough enzymes, pancreatin may be a better option. sometimes, plant enzymes just don't work for some people.



Re: oops--forgot something

Posted by PeterB on August 01, 2001 at 12:01:15:

In Reply to: Re: oops--forgot something posted by Helping you on August 01, 2001 at 10:00:39:

thanks helping.

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Re: stomach woes (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 08:26:59:

In Reply to: Re: stomach woes posted by Marie on July 31, 2001 at 15:20:33:

Hi, Marie.

Your sad story is a good example of what CAN happen when only the tip of the iceberg is symptomatically treated.

ALL of your trials and tribulations are directly or indirectly due to LGS. Once you understand this condition, you will be better able to choose how to get out of this fix the quickest and most reliably. Certainly the SR is basic. The best way is the way that works for YOU. I wish there was more that I could say about that but there isn't. The archives and home page have what you need to know if you have the patience to dig it out.

I cannot give you better information than Helping or beth already have.

Let us know how you do & if you have more questions.

Walt



Re: stomach woes (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Marie on August 02, 2001 at 19:12:39:

In Reply to: Re: stomach woes (Archive in LGS.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 08:26:59:

Frankly, it IS sad. I'm actually quite young--just graduated from my first round of college. I had all sorts of plans to explore the world and get going with things, but my illness has stopped me dead in my tracks. Not long ago, I was concerned with the typical existential questions of my age; now I'm just happy if I can sleep through the night. It's difficult to be more than my problems sometimes.

This is such a wake-up call for me. There are many times when I wonder if I'm ever going to get well and have a quality life again. As soon as I can get my stomach healed to the point where I can take anti-fungals and start digesting some "real" food, then I'm going to COMPLETELY change what I am putting in my body. I'm angry that I was raised on the typical American diet and was bombarded with antibiotics for much of my young life--now I have to pay for sins that I didn't know that I was committing. If I ever become a parent, then I will remember these words!

I'm encountering what most people would in their mid-life years. I'm lucky because when I get through this, I'm not going to be like all of my friends, eating pizza and Taco Bell....I'm going to take care of myself. Thanks to this 'site and others, I'm learning what that really means.

I think it's sad that most people end up learning the truth the hard way, by illness striking them down and the allopathic community telling them that there is little that can be done. They spent so much of their lives unknowingly killing themselves. At least I'm young and I'll have a healthy life ahead of me. I feel like I'm paying my dues now. I think that it's really sad that it took this to wake me up---I just wish that at least my experience could help others from falling into the same trap. But my friends and family and so, so many others live the typical lifestyle and aren't seeing what it's doing to their bodies. And the people around me don't see the connection between my suffering and their lifestyle, even if I try to gently point it out. I'm convinced that an unlucky stroke of genes and an unhealthy lifestyle lead to my LGS; their genes may hold them in better shape for longer....but it's almost like it takes something really bad to jar someone awake to their own health. It's almost like we're under a trance, and it takes a really loud noise to snap us out of it. And then we're left with a monsterous mess to clean up. It can be overwhelming.

I am determined to get well and to treat my body like it has wanted to be treated all along---if I learn anything that could be useful, I will be sure to pass it along via this 'site and at any other opportunity. You people do a tremendous job, and I thank you.



Re: stomach woes (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 04, 2001 at 09:23:21:

In Reply to: Re: stomach woes (Archive in LGS.) posted by Marie on August 02, 2001 at 19:12:39:

Thanks, Marie.

In spite of (or perhaps because of) my extensive medical training, I did not learn what you already know until I had 15 years of practice. Congratulations!

I thank you for any help you can be to others.

Namaste`

Walt

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