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Posted by Martin on July 31, 2001 at 20:23:37:

What could pale stools signify? The color is usually dark when eating dark colored vegetable but when I consume lightly colored food (usually meat) the color turns to light brown bordering yellow sometimes.
Does anybody know how to go about diagnozing the problem. I have had this for about 5 years know. It changed literally overnight after consuming baked fish. I took some travellers diarrhea pills and this returned me to normal color for a couple of days but then it came back. I had diarrhea for a long time and then it turned into constipation esp. when consuming low fiber food. Otherwise the stools are unformed and loose usually when consuming fruits/vegetables.
I have been taking candida herbs and followed a low carb diet, taking enzymes and betaine hydrochloride and although this has helped a bit (I don't have as much gas and indigestion) it has not really solved the coloring problem.

I have been tested for parasites by a "mainstream" gastroenterologist for parasites but nothing was found. Had a barium enema X-ray + endoscopy which showed nothing. I was also told by all those doctors that color signifies nothing and not to worry about it. But then I hear that pale stools is one of the symptoms of hepatitis.

I have suffered from Hepatitis B without knowing it some time before this happened. Could this all be liver related?

I am pretty much at wits end. I have been going back and forth with candida treatment, liver herbs, lgs etc. since 1999 and nothing has helped.

Any help will be appreciated!



This could help..........

Posted by Helping you on July 31, 2001 at 23:57:06:

In Reply to: pale stools posted by Martin on July 31, 2001 at 20:23:37:

Yellow to green stools = diarrhea, bowel sterilized by antibiotics

Black = upper GI bleeding (unless you take charocal)\

Tan or Gray = Blockage of the common bile duct, fat malabsorption or pancreatic insufficiency

Red = Lower GI bleeding

Blood mixed in stool = colonic bleeding (including hemorrhoids)

Use this as a guide to help pinpoint what is going on with you



Re: pale stools

Posted by Sonja on August 01, 2001 at 14:49:36:

In Reply to: pale stools posted by Martin on July 31, 2001 at 20:23:37:

Martin,
when I read 'pale stool' I immediately thought of gallbladder/ liver problems. But when I read that you've had this for 5 years, it did not seem that simple anymore.

The trouble with parasites is that they are not showing on tests. I used black walnut and olive leaf extract to treat myself as I had a strong suspicion of a parasite infection (as well as the Candida infection I definitely have had).
I did experience a huge die-off and some major symptoms disappeared.

Now whether one has parasites or has been through a harsh cure to get rid of them, the liver is bound to be involved. And gallbladder is certainly related to the liver. If they are not working properly, that alone will might cause indigestion problems, which also might be a sign of parasites.

I honestly don't know, but to me it seems that you have all the right suspicions, and probably all of the problems mentioned. But you haven't been lucky enough with finding a proper treatment.

If I knew before what I know now, I would have tried the Traditional Chinese Medicine. The TCM practitioner will - if nothing else - pay a lot of attention to your stool. Diagnosing troubles with inner organs is another thing they are good at. Can recommend the recent posts on this board by Judy.

Keep searching, don't give up and best of luck

Regards,
Sonja



Re: This could help..........

Posted by Martin on August 01, 2001 at 19:49:32:

In Reply to: This could help.......... posted by Helping you on July 31, 2001 at 23:57:06:

Thank you for the info.
I don't think it is pancreatic deficiency since I am taking enzymes with very little results.

It could very well be fat malapsorption but how does one treat that? From what I know it could be caused by a lot of things.

On the other hand if it is bile duct blockage I should probably go ahead with the gall bladder flush. I did not really want to do since it seems a little radical but since I have tried everything else so far...

Thank you once again for the help!

Martin



Re: pale stools

Posted by Martin on August 01, 2001 at 19:56:07:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Sonja on August 01, 2001 at 14:49:36:

thank you Sonja.

I took a lot of stuff for candida - no die off reaction whatsoever that I could tell.
I have taked probably every herb there is for parasites. Hasn't really helped me much.
Totally agree about the parasites not showing up but the conventional doctors don't care a damn when you tell them they have to do a 24hr specimen. I guess they have other patients with more serious problems and don't really have time to devote to people who are not going to die if they don't get treatment.
So that is why I am just guessing with my treatment.
On the other hand I am not sure whether to trust alternative laboratories as I have heard mixed feedback.

Best regards,

martin



Re: pale stools

Posted by Sonja on August 02, 2001 at 02:47:59:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Martin on August 01, 2001 at 19:56:07:

I understand the way you feel. Trying to do this on our own is a lot like finding our way in the dark...but do keep trying. I don't know if you mentioned it - maybe an experienced alternative practitioner could help?

Best wishes
Sonja

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Posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 10:40:11:

In Reply to: This could help.......... posted by Helping you on July 31, 2001 at 23:57:06:

Thanks, Helping.

Good, practical summary.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: pale stools

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 10:44:00:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Martin on August 01, 2001 at 19:56:07:

Hi, Martin.

So long as you are satisfied with conventional lab results, and their facility for helping you, I see no reason to look further.

Just consider the CDC's assessment of conventional labs accuracy, and that of slternative labs, for parasitology and you will begin to seriously doubt conventional labs for anything other than the most routine of tests.

Walt



Re: pale stools

Posted by Martin on August 02, 2001 at 19:31:19:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 10:44:00:

Dr Stoll,

is this assessment readily available to the public? If so where can one see it?

All the conventional doctors I have been to said that alternative labs do not provide accurate diagnosis. And truthfully I don't have any evidence to counter that.

Perhaps I should just get tested and see what happens.

thanks

Martin



Re: pale stools

Posted by Davetx on August 02, 2001 at 23:04:02:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Martin on August 02, 2001 at 19:31:19:

Martin, In our area the reason they say alternative labs are no good is because in most cases the doc telling you that, owns most of the lab he is sending you to. What I did was took stool samples in one instance from the same stool and split it and sent 1/2 of it to a conventional lab and the other 1/2 to and alternative lab with the same test requests. When I got it back from both labs and compared, one said no problem and the other said several problems. I have done this several times and everytime from the conventional lab, there was nothing wrong and alternative found a problem that when I corrected things got better. This is my evidence, plus I feel 120% better. Good luck



Re: pale stools

Posted by Martin on August 03, 2001 at 12:15:44:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Davetx on August 02, 2001 at 23:04:02:

Which lab would you recommend?

thanks

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Re: pale stools

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 04, 2001 at 09:30:52:

In Reply to: Re: pale stools posted by Martin on August 02, 2001 at 19:31:19:

Hi, Martin.

See the archives for laboratories and get the list of physicians who KNOW what they are talking about near you. The tests you need are a comprehensive stool analysis and at least 5 different purged stool specimens from GSLs.

Strictly conventional physicians see physicians who have bothered to expand their knowledge as competition. Rather that learn themselves they just try to convince patients not to try it.

Only your bodymind can tell you if you are getting better. Results will speak for themselves.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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Re: This could help..........

Posted by helping you on August 07, 2001 at 15:38:56:

In Reply to: Re: This could help.......... posted by Martin on August 01, 2001 at 19:49:32:

Hi Marten,

Don't worry about doing the gallbladder flush. if the ducts were clogged, you WOULD know it. You wouldn't be debating it.

For fat malabsorption,..lipase enzymes, pancreatin, lecithin, and a liver lipotropic formula is the standard protocol. I treated my fathers malabsorption strictly with lipase and lecithin. You may need the lipotropic for bile lubrication. It should contain choline, methionine, artichoke, milk thistle, dandelion, ect.

I hope this helps you

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