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Thrush?

Posted by virgina on February 27, 1999 at 15:16:20:

How does one know if they have thrush? I started having
a burning tongue after antibiotics then it turned white.
Was put on mycostatin and nystatin it didn't go away
an now I have scalloped edges. The whiteness/paleness? is the worst in the morning along with the scalloped edges and bad breath also difficulty in swallowing and bitter salty taste all the time. I had a tongue culture which was "NEGATIVE". I noticed my gums and roof of mouth tissue is
also pale/white.


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Re: Thrush?

Posted by Peter Wray on February 27, 1999 at 21:33:50:

In Reply to: Thrush? posted by virgina on February 27, 1999 at 15:16:20:

It sounds like thrush to me. All three of my children had thrush as infants as has my wife, and what yo are describing sounds like thrush. My understanding is that thrush is a yeast or candida overgrowth in the mouth. The use of antibiotics will cause a "flare-up".

If you were given mycostatin in the liquid form it probably had lots of sugar in it which is very counter productive - it jsut feeds the candida. You need to rinse your mouth with powdered nystatin in water and then swallow it. Apparently it tastes pretty awful, but it works.

hope this helps.

Peter



Re: Thrush? - yes

Posted by Rob on February 28, 1999 at 00:17:55:

In Reply to: Thrush? posted by virgina on February 27, 1999 at 15:16:20:


Hi Virginia----
I was loaded up with antibiotics as a kid and in the past whenever I was given antibiotics I got a great case of oral thrush-----I seem to counteract things by:
- taking nystatin
- taking acidolphillus (spelling ?) capsules to make sure
the good bacteria doesn't leave the body
(this is when taking antiobitics now)
take care.....Rob



Re: Thrush? (Tongue Thrusting?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 28, 1999 at 11:13:20:

In Reply to: Thrush? posted by virgina on February 27, 1999 at 15:16:20:

Dear Virginia,

Few labs can culture candida adequately.

However, although this MAY be candida, the cause of your scalloped tongue is "tongue thrusting" due to stress-effect storage in the hypothalamus. That same thrusting can cut off the circulation to the mouth and make the mouth lining be pale.

Check yourself frequently throughout the day & see if you are pressing your tongue against your teeth. If you are, and you don't have headaches yet, you will. You need to break that habit.

Finally, it is precisely this early stage that inevitably leads to LGS and you need to know something about that (see the archives for this 'site).

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt


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Walt: tongue thruster

Posted by d.d. on February 28, 1999 at 13:41:00:

In Reply to: Re: Thrush? (Tongue Thrusting?) posted by Walt Stoll on February 28, 1999 at 11:13:20:

Dear Walt,

I cannot stop my tongue from pushing against my teeth, and it seems to be getting worse and worse.

What did you mean by getting headaches from this?


--d.d.


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Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 01, 1999 at 10:57:53:

In Reply to: Walt: tongue thruster posted by d.d. on February 28, 1999 at 13:41:00:

Dear d.d.,

Now how did I know that you were pushing your tongue against your teeth when the experts you have been seeing couldn't tell you that (sigh)?

Anyhow this is just a common form of the bracing we have been discussing for years on this BB.

You are having trouble breaking the habit because you are doing it in your whole body. You MUST discharge the overwhelming stress-effect storage in the hypothalamus and the only way yet known that will do that is the regular practice of SR for 6-12 months.

In the meantime, the series of massages, Rolfing, paying attention to breaking the habit, etc., are temporary solutions. These have been discussed ad nauseum on this BB for years.

Many people with recurrent muscle tension headaches can get a lot of relief just by stopping the tongue thrusting. In the end that will not be enough but by immediately starting the SR, by the time the initial relief begins to fade, the SR will prevent recurrence.

Let us know how you do & if you still have questions, after reading the appropriate archives about this, write again.

Walt


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Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh)

Posted by d.d. on March 02, 1999 at 01:03:31:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh) posted by Walt Stoll on March 01, 1999 at 10:57:53:

Dear Walt,

Thanks again for your input and I'm sorry to have not researched tongue thrusting in the archives first.

I have been listening to my "Total Relaxation" tape, in the car with the headphones on, on the way to and from work, but I guess it doesn't put me in a true alpha state. I'll have to do it right. Boy I must be one stressful package.


d.d.


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Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 02, 1999 at 10:57:06:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh) posted by d.d. on March 02, 1999 at 01:03:31:

Dear d.d.,

I don't think you will find any references to "tongue-thrusting" in the archives. To MY recollection, your case is the first. TMJ, almost always associated with the tongue -thrusting, IS covered though.

Once you have developed the SR skill, your present "driving" procedure just might be worth while. However, until you already HAVE that skill I can think of few procedures that would be less effective in developing the skill.

Walt


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Re: Walt: tongue thruster - I am doing the same thing as d.d

Posted by Sue on March 02, 1999 at 18:37:27:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh) posted by Walt Stoll on March 02, 1999 at 10:57:06:

Thanks Walt,

I didn't know what was causing those ridges around my tongue and making it so sore. A doctor of Chinese medicine told me it was a problem with the spleen. This problem, along with severe "IC", occured after living in an apartment that had Mercury rolling around on the floor. I went to about 20 doctors and none could tell me what was going on with the tongue. In the end I thought that the mercury was making my tongue mighty sentitive to my teeth--HeeHee-- sometimes it's really fun to laugh at oneself:-).

I did get some chelation with DMPS(dimarval). The FDA has since banned its use for low level poisonings. It helped me dump 17 times more mercury than my body could dump on its own in a 24 hour period. DMPS has been used for decades in Europe and I disagree with the ban.

I started SR and did well at it when I was really ill but now I am bad, bad, bad! Lots of people and you have given suggestions on how to get around this block. I will write a testimonal when I figure out what works for me.

Thanks again Walt. You put in so much time and care into helping all of us. Appreciate you very, very much.

Sue

PS Thanks for writing your book.


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sleep

Posted by d.d. on March 02, 1999 at 23:27:01:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster (sigh) posted by Walt Stoll on March 02, 1999 at 10:57:06:

Dear Walt,

I hear you and I know what I have to do, my problem is sleep. I can't seem to get up early enough to grab those twenty minutes or so to do my SR. I'll try harder, but I have always been a night person, and I really struggle in the morning. I end up becoming very creative and multi-task in some very unusual ways to get ready in the morning, but I know my health depends on it.


d.d.




Re: Walt: tongue thruster - I am doing the same thing as d.d

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1999 at 12:27:49:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster - I am doing the same thing as d.d posted by Sue on March 02, 1999 at 18:37:27:

Thanks, Sue!

By the way, I have mentioned this several times on the BB but it bears mentioning again:

People who have tightness of the mouth muscles also have tightness of the muscles of the other end of the GI tract.

Tightness of the perineal muscles is THE cause of IC which you have also had.

The most effective approach is to get both ends relaxed and that almost always requires dealing with the total body bracing.

You are going to have to win the SR war.

Namaste` Walt


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Re: tongue thrusting - To Dr Walt!

Posted by Sue on March 07, 1999 at 05:22:50:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster - I am doing the same thing as d.d posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1999 at 12:27:49:

Thanks Doctor Walt!

I knew I had tight perineal muscles and tension in my mouth but yes you are so correct: I am tight from top to "bottom"... errgg!...chuckle...grin. We humans do get ourselves into a pickle. I know you really mean it when you say TOTAL body bracing!

Thanks again dear doctor for handing me the key to solve my health problems. It is going to take me a while to succeed in the SR war but I trust that I will win it. I will not forget who handed me the key:-). Will share my progress as it comes so to encourage others as others have so generously encouraged me.

Namaste` all the way -

Sue


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Re: tongue thrusting - To Dr Walt! (Testimonial)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 08, 1999 at 10:46:48:

In Reply to: Re: tongue thrusting - To Dr Walt! posted by Sue on March 07, 1999 at 05:22:50:

Thanks, Sue.

Your testimonials will help others.

Isn't awareness wonderful? Low cost, safe and helps many things at the same time.

Namaste` Walt



my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away

Posted by Rebecca on April 09, 1999 at 14:42:24:

In Reply to: Re: Walt: tongue thruster - I am doing the same thing as d.d posted by Sue on March 02, 1999 at 18:37:27:

we have tried Diflucan, Nystatin, and Gentain Violet. Can you help?



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Re: my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 10, 1999 at 12:21:16:

In Reply to: my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away posted by Rebecca on April 09, 1999 at 14:42:24:

Hi, Rebecca.

Thrush this resistant can only be coming from the Candida- Related Syndrome you have been hearing about.

Read anything on this BB about that or anything by Dr Sherry Rogers, or Dr Doris Rapp. Also anything by Dr Crook (about children). The child has to have LGS before C-RS is possible.

If this were MY child, I would get Beth Loiselle, RD's book for the diet and then get the child started on at least 500,000 units of ure Nystatin powder 4 times a day while using at least 6 billion acidophilus organisms 4 times a day.

This problem would be gone in a few weeks if this is done right.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt


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Re: my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away

Posted by Deb on April 10, 1999 at 17:29:50:

In Reply to: Re: my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away posted by Walt Stoll on April 10, 1999 at 12:21:16:

Walt,

How would a baby this young have got LGS & CRS?

Deb.


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Re: my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 11, 1999 at 11:16:53:

In Reply to: Re: my 5 week old seems to have thrush that will not go away posted by Deb on April 10, 1999 at 17:29:50:

Dear Deb,

I have seen dozens of cases that were born with it. It all depends on the genetic propensity of the individual AND the environment starting 2 years PRIOR to conception.

If you really want to know hos to alter this, get a copy of Paavo Airola, ND's life's work: "Every Woman's Book". It has just been reprinted and is available at any bookstore, library, amazon.com, etc.

Let us know what you learn. His thrush is the least bothersome of the "messages" his bodymind will be sending in the future. Behavior problems, allergies, skin rashes, intestinal conditions, are all very common with a child that gets stuff like chronic thrush this early in his life.

Walt



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