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Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by JimR on September 06, 2001 at 20:42:20:

Hi,

I'm on week 2 of enzyme replacement therapy for gerd and anxiety, and am also on week 2 of seeing a biofeedback specialist (I've now seen him 6 times). So far, neither seems to be having much, if any effect. I'm sure it's too soon to tell, however, I've been doing twice daily meditation for 11 months now, and have been on a whole foods diet for over a year. My one weakness is that I allowed sugar to sneak into my diet most of that time and have only been on the perfect WFD for about 2 months.

According to the biofeedback specialist, not only do I get to the levels necessary during meditation, but he says he can tell by my brain wave readings that I meditate a lot (he has to magnify the computer readings to be able to see the brain waves, something he says only happens when he has a meditator as a client).

According to the enzyme therapist, and info I've found on this board, I should be having 3 light bowel movements a day. Before taking the enzymes, I was only having one per day and once in a great while none. So he also had me take 250mg of Cape Aloes Powder every night, saying that this would help to pull water into the BM and improve the situation. If this didn't work, I was to start taking two capsules (250mg before bedtime and another 250mg upon arising) which I'm now doing. This has had no effect except, it appears, to give me problems with gas and occasional abdominal cramps. I only have one large BM in the morning, which seems to be completely eliminating a day's worth, so I don't see how the body is supposed to "learn" to stop eliminating so much at one time and start eliminating lighter movements 3 times per day. At least I've had no constipated days since taking this.

I know I haven't given these enzymes enough time to work yet, but after all this time meditating and on the WFD it seems as if I should be doing better. Any suggestions, explanations???

Thanks.



What's an "enzyme therapist"?

Posted by Curious - nmi on September 06, 2001 at 21:17:24:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 06, 2001 at 20:42:20:




Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by Helping you on September 07, 2001 at 11:50:42:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 06, 2001 at 20:42:20:

ExactlY! You have not given it enough time to work. It could take months before your body responds. You didn't get in this predictiment overnight right? hang in there.



Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by JimR on September 07, 2001 at 13:01:11:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by Helping you on September 07, 2001 at 11:50:42:

I've been "hanging in there" for about 2 years now, the last year spent on meditating and the WFD, and yet I'm miserable. So I was hoping for some sign of relief soon from these enzymes.

I'm not giving up on a holistic approach yet, but this is frustrating. I keep reading about other's success, but it sure avoids me. Last month I posted that I'd been meditating for 10 months and on an imperfect whole foods diet for a year, and I got jumped on by Dr. Stoll and others for not doing my meditation effectively, and for "wasting" 10 months by not getting my SR technique certified by biofeedback. Now that I've had my SR certified, I suppose I'll get jumped on for only being perfect on the diet for 2 months (even though I was pretty close to being perfect before).

There seems to be no end to this...I would have hoped that meditating for 11 months and being on an extremely healthy diet for over a year would have given me some relief, and that the enzymes might have quickly given me the final answer, instead, I often feel as if I'm just as sick as I was 2 years ago. It makes me wonder if I'm missing something. Now, I've even had a prostate related problem return, which I had thought I had completely put behind me following the wellness approach. I had had no symptoms for months, and suddenly the last 2 days, these prostate related problems have returned. So right now, not only am I seeing no signs of relief, it seems as if I'm actually getting worse.

You're right that I didn't get into these problems overnight. I've realized that I grew up on a highly processed diet, so we're talking 40 years of abuse, but a year on a holistic approach has done little for me (and I just got back from visiting family over the holiday weekend, all of them having grown up on the same diet and continuing to eat that diet -- in fact I just watched them consume pies, cheesecake, cookies, ice cream, etc., by the truck load, while I sat watching nearby -- and they're all healthy as horses, or at least they appear to be). I sat there eating my salad and feeling sick, and enduring a weekend of questions and prying and wondering why I refuse to go back on medication and see a "real" doctor.

The meditation has certainly done some good things for me on the outside. The biofeedback specialist is a psychologist and so, of course, he asked me lots of questions, the answers to which made me realize some of the benefits I've seen. For instance, a year ago, before meditating, I would answered that anger and irritability were problems for me, and now they are not. I'm now even getting into Zen, so I love what SR has done for me in that regards, and I love the whole foods diet, neither of which I'll ever give up. Now only if it would do some good on the inside. Sorry this is so long, I'm in a ranting mood.



Re: What's an "enzyme therapist"?

Posted by JimR on September 07, 2001 at 13:06:54:

In Reply to: What's an "enzyme therapist"? posted by Curious - nmi on September 06, 2001 at 21:17:24:

He's someone who has been certified in enzyme replacement therapy, using the techniques of Dr. Harold Loomis. They use a 24-hour urinalysis and palpatory reflex exam to determine the body's ability to digest food and identify organ and system malnutrition and stress, and thus decide what food enzymes are necessary to help restore balance.



Thanks, Jim. How do I find one?

Posted by Curious - nmi on September 07, 2001 at 15:43:51:

In Reply to: Re: What's an "enzyme therapist"? posted by JimR on September 07, 2001 at 13:06:54:




Re: Thanks, Jim. How do I find one?

Posted by JimR on September 07, 2001 at 16:26:50:

In Reply to: Thanks, Jim. How do I find one? posted by Curious - nmi on September 07, 2001 at 15:43:51:

Check the referral page at http://www.loomisenzymes.com/ert.html

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Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 08, 2001 at 10:11:48:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 06, 2001 at 20:42:20:

Hi, Jim R.

Why is the biofeedback guy still seeing you if what you are already doing is working?

What does your parasite test (purged stool) show from GSDL?

What have you been doing with probiotics?

Walt




Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by JimR on September 08, 2001 at 13:33:59:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by Walt Stoll on September 08, 2001 at 10:11:48:

"Why is the biofeedback guy still seeing you if what you are already doing is working?" -- For one thing, it hasn't worked. I'm succeeding at meditating, but it hasn't help with the gerd. So he's doing right brain training, which he thinks will at least help with some of the anxiety problems I've had, which might have led to gerd. So far it's done nothing for the gerd, but I think I might be seeing signs of improvement with the anxiety. It's too early for me to tell.

"What does your parasite test (purged stool) show from GSDL?" -- It showed only a 1+ on candida and no other parasites.

"What have you been doing with probiotics?" -- I've taken probiotics off and on over the past year, and daily over the past month.

Maybe I misunderstood, but 11 months ago you gave me the impression that all I needed to do was exercise, eat whole foods, and do twice daily SR, and that things like probiotics might help but really weren't necessary except perhaps to speed up the process. Can the the occasional refined carbs I ate a few months ago still be the cause of all these problems I'm experiencing? Right now I'm focusing on these enzymes and hoping that once I get things flowing (i.e., 3 BMs per day), the reflux problems will go away. But if this is going to get things flowing, it's obviously going to take a long time. I'm still at only one movement a day and see no signs of that improving. It's hard to imagine that my body is going to learn to adjust how it eliminates things.

Please don't take this response as challenging the holistic approach. I'm still convinced that there is a holistic answer for me. I know I wasn't perfect on the diet, and I've since begun to understand that even though I switched to whole grains, I was still eating too many carbs. That's an adjustment I'm continuing to struggle with. But it's hard to continue to feel this sick after all this time. I can't drive a car for very long because whenever I sit for too long I get tremendous sinus pressure and can't breathe. This is actually worse now than it was a year ago. It's extremely disappointing that 11 months of SR, lots of exericise, a very healthy diet (although not perfect), and now almost 50 pounds lighter and at a weight level I should be at, has not helped with these symptoms.



The 3 legged stool...

Posted by beth on September 08, 2001 at 20:29:50:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 08, 2001 at 13:33:59:

He says that the exercise, whole foods diet and SR are the three most likely things to help everyone. That is not a declaration of "this will cure everyone".

If your intuition is telling you that there is still something wrong, you should listen to it.

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Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 09, 2001 at 08:21:54:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 07, 2001 at 13:01:11:

Thanks, JimR.

You are right that your certified SR should have done you more good in this area (just as it has in others). This means that something has been missed. Eliminating the cause will not resolve most of the complications of LGS and they have to be finally addressed when you have eliminated the LGS (which I believe would be substantiated by a comprehensive stool analysis from GSDL).

What have your purged stool specimens shown?

Walt



Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by JimR on September 09, 2001 at 14:55:50:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by Walt Stoll on September 09, 2001 at 08:21:54:

The GSDL stool results showed +1 candida and no other parasites. I've been taking L-glutamine for a year. I've done anti-candida diets for a few weeks, but didn't stick with them because of the test results and they didn't seem to be helping. I did a LGS test but somehow the lab screwed it up, so I never got the results. Now I'm just about broke.

I thought SR and whole foods were supposed to elimiate LGS after 6-12 months? Dr. Stoll, You said, and I quote, "Eliminating the cause will ""not"" resolve most of the complications of LGS and they have to be finally addressed when you have eliminated the LGS." Was that ""not"" a typo? Or am I misunderstanding your comment. Are you saying that someone who has complications from parasites, for instance, can still have problems and must deal with those parasites even though they have overcome the LGS?

I'm thinking I'll try to go back on an anti-candida diet and stick with it (which for me means I only have to cut out fruit and some cheese, otherwise I'm already on the diet). I had tried a 24 hour juice fast (which included fresh fruit juices) a few months ago, and felt awful while I did so (including a tongue that got extremely white). Maybe a longer fast would be beneficial?? Or should I wait until I've given the enzyme protocol a longer time to work? Thanks for your help.



Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 10, 2001 at 08:56:15:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 08, 2001 at 13:33:59:

Thanks, Jim R.

Listen to beth.

For the few that this general approach does not resolve, one would need a good complementary practitioner nearby who can go beyond what is discussed on this BB. Any practitioner worth her salt would be able to pick up where you are already and go forward.

I still say something is being missed. That does not mean that your progress has not been of consequence. ANYTHING that the complementary practitioner might discover will be easier to treat since you have done most of the work already.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by Helping you on September 10, 2001 at 13:13:25:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 09, 2001 at 14:55:50:

Please refresh my memory. Have you seen a doctor that runs the "Loomis 24 hour urinalysis"? This test will show what enzymes you need and in what amounts. You might just be taking the wrong enzymes. A qualified enzyme therapist can take out the guesswork for you.

Your stool analysis does not indicate a bad candida infection. +1 can be handled just by taking Primal Defense and shunning sugar. What about the rest of the results? Were there any abnormal findings in digestion? How about friendly bacteria? Are there optimal amounts of those? What are your SCFA's levels? This test shows the state of your entire digestive system. Anything else out of the norm?



Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc.

Posted by JimR on September 10, 2001 at 17:19:50:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by Helping you on September 10, 2001 at 13:13:25:

Yes, I had the Loomis urinalysis. The guy I'm seeing trained under him and is good friends with Dr. Loomis. I talked to him this morning and he said it's unusual that I haven't seen any relief yet, but not completely abnormal. He's increased my dosage of enzymes and says it might take a couple more weeks before I see any positive results, plus, we decided I've probably been eating too many carbs for now even though they have been complex carbs. After eating only veggies and a few eggs the last two days, I'm doing better. He comes highly recommended as an enzyme therapist and so I'm not going to give up on him yet. He guarantees this is going to work, but says we might have to try some other enzymes to get things moving.

My stool anaylsis didn't show any real problems. I was a little low in bifidobacter, otherwise, nothing else out of the norm, which is why it's been so frustrating to have such problems and why I thought I might get relief relatively fast. Anyway, hopefully with less carbs and increased enzymes I'm on my way to more relief.

Thanks.

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Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 11, 2001 at 08:49:44:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, Helping You...enzymes, gerd, etc. posted by JimR on September 09, 2001 at 14:55:50:

Thanks, JimR.

I will try to respond to your questions as you gave them.

1. I have repeatedly said that parasite tests have to be repeated at least 5-6 times to give the best chance that all parasites have actually been seen.
2. If the lab "screwed up the test they owe you another one free!
3. This is NOT a typo. The point is similar to: an infected burn on the skin. Just taking the match away does not heal the burn and neither does it resolve the infection just by removing the match. HOWEVER, that does not eliminate the need for removing the match in the first place.
Is this making sense???
3. If you elimninate the parasites BEFORE dealing with the LGS, what in the world is going to prevent them from moving back in?
4. Fasting during this process is risky since the detox symptoms one might experience frequently discourages the individual from the entire program. ANY detox is helpful IF the person can get through it.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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