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anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach?

Posted by Marie on September 11, 2001 at 20:23:58:

I've read through the archives and have been taking L-Glutamine (10 g)for what I know is bad LGS. I also have in my possession Candex and Primal Defense. Not long ago, I was having terrible gastric problems, with massive burning and spasming of my stomach (not intestines), even when I just drank water! H-pylori was found in an endoscopic biopsy, so I was treated with Biaxin, Amoxicillin, and Prilosec. I had a breath test 3 weeks later, and it came back negative for h-pylori. I am no longer having severe symptoms, but they've not disappeared, either. Before all of this, I had severe dysbiosis and 4+ Candida in a CDSA. Right now I'm having abdominal pain between an area of 3" below my sternum to my navel and still some burning and gnawing in my stomach. After the medication, I gradually felt better, but now my stomach (and sometimes intestines) gurgles really loudly and violently while I eat and afterwards. Why?!? Maybe I have some parasites?

Here is what I've learned from the archives: take L-Glutamine, eat a whole foods diet, start SR, and take antifungals/antiparasitic stuff. Here is my problem. Last week I tried to eat garlic, and my stomach gnawed and growled intensely and violently, followed by 4 days of a good bit of stomach pain. So, it's still very sensitive, for some reason. And whenever I try to eat whole foods, I burn a lot, despite taking enzymes. Unfortunately, I tend to digest soft, refined foods much more easily.

Are there any vermifuges/antiparasitic/anti-Candida things that I can take that would not at all irritate my stomach? And what whole foods would be easy to digest? I burn when I eat most vegetables. THANK YOU everyone for your help.



Re: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach?

Posted by Helping you on September 12, 2001 at 00:21:19:

In Reply to: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach? posted by Marie on September 11, 2001 at 20:23:58:

Do you still have the dysbiosis and candida at 4+? I will write back regarding this if you are still in this predictiment.

From what you are writing, it seems that the mucous that your coats your stomach has been worn out. I suggest that you chew 2 DGL tablets 20 minutes before each meal. Also, you may want to try slippery elm, marshmallow, NAG, and vegetable juices like cabbage juice. These all have properties that stimulate and repair the mucosal layer of your stomach. Also, take a probiotic high in BIFIDUS bacteria. Usually, you would not take probiotics until any bugs have been cleared but I feel that you will be unable to handle any antimicrobials in your condition. Try those suggestions and begin the SR right away.

Regarding the whole foods diet, stay away from anything acidic (tomatoes, citrus, vinegar, lemon, ect). Other foods will have to be on trial and error basis. Generally, you should cook all of your food well. the only raw food you should eat right now is vegetable juices.

Peppermint tea is excelent for a "rumbling" tummy.

Try an enzyme formula called GammaZyme. It is available at www.rgarden.com. This formula does not contain protease which will just upset your condition. Use GammaZyme until your stomach has healed. When you have not experienced symptoms for at least 2-3 weeks straight, you can slowly try to introduce an enzyme with protease but be cautious. The same goes for "forbidden foods". You will need to discover most of these on your own. I hope this helps you



Re: reply to Helping You

Posted by Marie on September 12, 2001 at 17:43:22:

In Reply to: Re: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach? posted by Helping you on September 12, 2001 at 00:21:19:

Helping You, you are nothing short of a blessing to the many people who find themselves at this website. THANK YOU!!! I'm so sorry to know that you personally learned all of this information through your own suffering, and I admire you for using that experience to help others overcome their battles and live much more healthily. Again, thank you.

To answer your question, I don't know what the status of my Candida and dysbiosis is. I had the CDSA done shortly before I went on antibiotics. On Day 3, I got an oral yeast infection, so I went on Diflucan for about 10 days or so. I haven't had a CDSA again since then. I don't know if you can infer from this info what the state of my GI tract might be. I'm sure that my Candida is growing strong and healthy. The CDSA also said that I was SLIGHTLY acidic in my colon and that I had a good bit of acidophilus but no bifidus. I'm sure that the little good bacteria that I had is now long gone. I'm constipated, no diarrhea.

Also, when I had the endoscopy for the h-pylori, the doc said that the lining of my stomach had been largely worn away from the infection. So, your guess that my mucosa is probably damaged is very correct. There were no ulcers at that time. Now, I just have that gnawing, gurgling in the stomach, and some burning (not as much as when I had the infection). I've had burning symptoms for 2 years, and the acid blockers that the docs gave me made things dramatically worse. After reading this board, I never want to see them again.

One more thing: I'll definitely take your advice to not eat anything raw (except veggie juice) and to stay away from acidic or acid-producing foods. Is it okay at this point to cheat a little bit on my diet? I feel so stuck. If I eat foods that are anti-Candida but don't eat the foods that I can't tolerate, then my diet is very, very slim. I truly don't want to cheat, but I'm just having a hard time finding out how NOT to and still maintain my weight.

Should I try taking Candex and/or Primal Defense? Any other anti-fungals or anti-parasitics (that I could tolerate)? I'm determined to get better, and I thank you for all of your help.



Re: reply to Helping You

Posted by Helping you on September 12, 2001 at 20:09:35:

In Reply to: Re: reply to Helping You posted by Marie on September 12, 2001 at 17:43:22:

This is what I would do if I were in your position.

BUILD STOMACH AND COLON DEFENSES:
Muciligenic herbs like slippery elm, marshmallow, DGL, aloe vera, and soothing herbs like peppermint should be a part of your daily diet. Include L-glutamine at doses ranging from 2g to 10g depending on your ability to tolerate it. Taking these herbs will increase the mucous lining of your stomach and colon.

CHANGE PH OF YOUR COLON/ELIMINATE HARMFUL ORGANISMS:
There are 2 ways to do this, one is to take plant enzymes with meals. The other is to take Primal Defense. Your gut cannot handle harsh anti-parasitics. Primal Defense would work very well in your position. The plant enzyme formula you should use is called GammaZyme (www.rgarden.com). Protease will only upset your gut.

INCREASE BLOOD FLOW TO DIGESTIVE SYSTEM:
SR is a powerful tool to help all of the above work better and faster. SR combined with L-glutamine will heal LGS in a matter of weeks if correct diet for your body is followed (minus any allergenic foods)

EAT THE PROPER DIET FOR YOUR BODY:
No raw foods for you except veggie juices (nothing acidic). Cabbage juice is extremely helpful. Eat well-cooked meals and rotate your foods to avoid allergies and to get the broadest range of nutrients possible. Little by little you will unravel the perfect diet for you. Once in a while you will have setbacks but these become advantages in the future (because you know what to avoid).

Stay with this program for 3 months. If you follow it, you should most definitely be feeling better. The burning you are experiencing is HCL churning in an unprotected stomach. DGL is of special importance for you. Chew 2 wafers 20 minutes before each major meal.

Let me know how you do.




Re: reply to Helping You

Posted by Marie on September 13, 2001 at 00:12:40:

In Reply to: Re: reply to Helping You posted by Helping you on September 12, 2001 at 20:09:35:

Thank you VERY much, Helping. I will definitely employ ALL of your suggestions. I don't know if you or anyone would have an answer to this--but I've heard of people with h-pylori who, after treatment, feel pretty much all the way better. Their lining grows back, the burning dissipates, and they tend to feel like new shortly thereafter. But, although I don't feel so TERRIBLE anymore, I'm still having an awful lot of problems. I'm assuming that my lining hasn't grown back, and I'm wondering why I'm the exception to the rule. Could it be because I was mistreated before the test--some alt docs had me on protease and betaine HCl for a long time? The breath test (claimed to be reliable) said that I'm rid of the infection, but I'm thinking of getting another endoscopy or breath test. Again, Helping You, I really appreciate your suggestions. Thank you very much. And in terms of diet, I guess I'll just hope that I'll be able to heal enough that, as I heal bit by bit, I can start incorporating more nutritious foods as opposed to refined junk. It's just getting healed to that point that is the key!



Re: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach? (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 13, 2001 at 09:16:07:

In Reply to: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach? posted by Marie on September 11, 2001 at 20:23:58:

Hi, Marie.

Thank you for reading the archives first. Unfortunately, I think you need to read them again more carefully.

I have always said that dealing with the LGS is the first thing to do and the antiparasite stuff later. Your GI sensitivity is typical with far advanced LGS.

Just think of how long this has been going on and THEN consider that the 6 months it will take for your proven effective SR (proven by biofeedback and practiced at least twice a day) to work is not so long after all.

I have found Pepto Bismol to be the safest and most effective thing, for someone at your far advanced state, for temporary relief.

Let us know how you do.

Walt

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Re: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 13, 2001 at 09:17:23:

In Reply to: Re: anti-parasitics that won't mess up raw stomach? posted by Helping you on September 12, 2001 at 00:21:19:

Thanks, Helping You, for your practical advice!

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: reply to Helping You

Posted by Helping you on September 13, 2001 at 13:23:46:

In Reply to: Re: reply to Helping You posted by Marie on September 13, 2001 at 00:12:40:

DGL exhibits action against H. Pylori. Also, NEW LIFE COLOSTRUM has a product called "H.pylori Antibody". It teaches your immune system how to fight the h.pylori directly. Look them up!

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