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HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 13, 2001 at 12:33:14:

DEAR DR STOLL,

MY HUSBAND HAS JUST BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH HELICOBACTER PYLORI. HE HAS BEEN GIVEN 3 DIFFERENT MEDICINES TO TREAT THIS.

YESTERDAY, HE WAS VERY ILL. SAID HE WAS FEELING VERY WEAK, HE COULD NOT FEEL ANY MOVEMENT IN HIS LEGS AND FEET, HEART WAS POUNDING VERY FAST, PAIN IN HIS HEAD, FEELING DIZZY AND BLURRY VISION. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS MAY HAVE BEEN A PANIC ATTACK?

WHAT DO YOU THINK? COULD THIS BACTERIA FOUND IN HIS STOMACH BE CAUSING THIS? IT JUST HAPPENED AFTER HE HAD EATEN DINNER. IT HAS HAPPENED THREE TIMES BEFORE ONCE WHILST HE WAS TAKING HIS EXAM.

I AM THINKING WHETHER IT IS TO ANYTHING TO DO WITH STRESS. HE SEEMS REALLY PAIL TO ME AND DOES NOT LOOK AT ALL WELL.

COULD THESE BE PANIC ATTACKS?

PLEASE ADVISE.
THANKS.



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Marie on September 13, 2001 at 20:04:23:

In Reply to: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 13, 2001 at 12:33:14:

Nina,

Have you consulted with a physician about these attacks? If not, that's what I would do first. He might have more than one problem going on.

What kind of exam were you referring to? Academic? Medical?

Did these attacks started happening BEFORE he began taking medication?

I will say that I have suffered from a nasty case of h-pylori, and I certainly didn't experience anything like that. It is debated whether the bacteria affect anything but the stomach and first part of the small intestine, but the "consensus" maintains that it doesn't travel outside of the stomach. And even if it did, I really doubt that it would cause those symptoms. I VERY MUCH doubt that h-pylori is doing this to him. I would definitely consult with a physician to make sure that there is not something else going on infection-wise or with his body in general. Make sure that he is thoroughly checked out.

I'm assuming that his attacks are not a result of medication, if they started before he began taking the drugs.

Best of luck to you and your husband. Please keep us updated.



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Vince F on September 14, 2001 at 01:20:19:

In Reply to: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 13, 2001 at 12:33:14:

I heard you feel rotten for 2 weeks when being treated for
the bacteria but don't know if everything he has. I just
thought in the stomach. I would look up the side effects of
the drugs. For me i would try salt and cayenne pepper and
I'd bet it would knock it out and taste good.

VF



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Marie on September 14, 2001 at 11:58:35:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by Vince F on September 14, 2001 at 01:20:19:

I don't know what kind of shape his stomach is in, if the mucuous lining is thinned, but the cayenne might be hard for the stomach to handle if this is so. I've had h-pylori, and my lining was thinned (not everyone's is), and I couldn't handle even regular pepper or a little garlic. But other folks don't have many symptoms and could. So, symptoms make a difference here. If his problem started BEFORE the medication, then the drugs probably have little to do with this. I would try to get through the meds WHILE getting him checked out by a physician for any additional problems. After he is off of the meds, if you want to help safeguard his stomach so that the infection doesn't return, buy some Mastic (available through Allergy Research Group on the internet). He should take 1 or 2 twice a day for 2-4 weeks. It has been known to eradicate h-pylori and heal the stomach itself. But finish these meds and THEN take the Mastic. He should also take pretty high doses of vitamin C during his Mastic phase. Pharmaceutical-grade L-Glutamine would also be good for healing the GI tract from the infection and LGS. But for now, finish the meds (DON'T STOP unless his spells are caused by the meds), and if I were you, I'd get him to a physician. Good luck....

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Helping you on September 14, 2001 at 13:18:38:

In Reply to: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 13, 2001 at 12:33:14:

I cannot comment on those symptoms although I am not suprised he is having side-effects from the medication. I thought I would offer this information instead.

DGL (from licorice root) has direct action against H.Pylori. Chewing 2 wafers 20 minutes before main meals will help build stomach defenses and erradicate h.pylori. Berberine is an antifungal agent that has action against h.pylori. FInally, NEW LIFE colostrum has a product out called "h.pylori antibody". This helps your immune system recognize h.pylori and helps to erradicate it.

Bismuth Subcitrate is a naturally occuring mineral that acts as an antacid and exerts acitivity against h.pylori. h.pylori can become resistant to antibiotics but not to BS. The dosage is 240mg 2x daily before meals (don't give it to children suffering from viral infection because it may mask the nausea and vomiting associated with Reye's Syndrome)

I hope this information will be useful for you



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 15, 2001 at 09:44:42:

In Reply to: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 13, 2001 at 12:33:14:

Hi, Nina.

What does his package inserts say about his symptoms. The cause is almost certainly his medications!!!!!

What have you both learned from the archives (LGS) about his condition? SURELY, dealing with his causes would be a LOT less dangerous and less expensive than 3 prescriptions!

Walt



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by MP on September 15, 2001 at 12:36:16:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by Walt Stoll on September 15, 2001 at 09:44:42:

Please forgive me; I am grateful to have this site and for Dr. Stoll to care enough to help us. So, don't get me wrong--I respect him. With that said, I have suffered from this infection. I don't know what his symptoms are, but since he only has to be on the drugs for 10-14 days (antibiotics), then I think he should finish the drugs and kill the bacteria. Then his stomach can digest whole foods, and he can be in a better position to heal LGS and any Candida problems he may have. This has certainly been true for me. Just treating LGS and Candida won't undo the damage of h-pylori while they're still present in his stomach. Plus, isn't it bad to quit antibiotics during treatment (resistance)? And like Marie said, we don't know if his spells started before or after he started the drugs. It's one thing if he's having a reaction--then he doesn't have a choice. But I don't think we know that. Again, I'm grateful, but I just had to say that.



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 06:49:11:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by Marie on September 13, 2001 at 20:04:23:

THANKS FOR YOUR NOTES POSTED RE: HELICOBACTER PYLORI. MY HUSBAND HAD THESE ATTACKS PRIOR TO TAKING HIS MEDICATION. HE HAS BEEN TAKING HIS MEDICATION FOUR DAYS NOW AND HAS BEEN TOLD THAT HE SHOULD FEEL SLIGHTLY BETTER AFTER 7 DAYS ALTHOUGH HE MUST FINISH THE COURSE OF TABLETS WHICH ARE FOR 3 WEEKS.

MY CONCERN IS I DO FEEL ALTHOUGH HE MAY HAVE THIS BACTERIA IN HIS STOMACH AND THIS MAY BE THE REASON FOR SOME OF HIS SYMPTONS BUT I THINK THERE IS ALSO OTHER PROBLEMS WITH HIS BODY.

HIS EXAM WAS ACADEMIC, HE IS CURRENTLY IN HIS 2ND YEAR FOR A DEGREE IN COMPUTER SCEINCE.IT IS INTERESTING TO LEARN THAT YOU DID NOT SUFFER FROM THE SAME SYMPTONS.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD IT COULD BE A PANIC ATTACK BOUGHT ON BY STRESS. THE DOCTORS HERE THINK THIS MAY BE THE CAUSE OF HIS PROBLEMS.




Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 08:11:14:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by Walt Stoll on September 15, 2001 at 09:44:42:

THE DOCTORS HERE IN THE UK ARE SAYING THIS MAY BE THE CAUSE OF HIS HEALTH PROBLEMS. HE HAS BEEN HAVING THESE ATTACKS PRIOR TO STARTING HIS MEDICATION.

HE HAS NOW BEEN TAKING THIS TABLETS FOR 4 DAYS ALTHOUGH HE HAS BEEN TOLD BY HIS DOCTOR HE SHOULD FEEL BETTER AFTER 7 DAYS ALTHOUGH THE COMBINATION OF THESE MEDICATION SHOULD ELIMINATE THESE BACTERIA ALTOGETHER AFTER HE COMPLETES THE COURSE FOR 3 WEEKS.

I DO FEEL THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING ELSE WRONG WITH HIM MEDICALLY. HE HAS ALSO COMPLAINED OF PAINS IN HIS BACK HE SAYS BEHIND HIS STOMACH.

I WILL LOOK AT THE ARCHIVES TO SEE WHAT IS MENTIONED ABOUT THIS BACTERIA.

WHEN HE HAS AN ATTACK HE FEELS PAINS IN THIS HEAD, FEELING DIZZY, BLURRY VISION,, A TIGHTNESS IN HIS THROAT, PAINS IN HIS BACK, AND THEN HE WALKS AROUND PANICKING THAT HE CANNOT CONTROL HIS LEGS ETC,COULD THIS BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO H PYLORI?

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? DO YOU KNOW OF PANIC ATTACKS BOUGHT ON BY STRESS?

COULD THIS BE A PANIC ATTACK?




Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 08:32:16:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by Helping you on September 14, 2001 at 13:18:38:

THANKS FOR YOUR NOTES.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THESE SYMPTONS OCCURED PRIOR TO HIM TAKING HIS MEDICATION.

THANKS ALSO FOR YOUR REMEDIES I WILL CERTAINLY FOLLOW THEM.

WHERE CAN I PURCHASE SB? IS IT IN PURE FORM?

THANKS

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 2001 at 08:44:40:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by MP on September 15, 2001 at 12:36:16:

Thanks, MP.

I hope that is what I have been saying. The unfortunate thing is that Helicobacter Pylori is ALL around ALL of us ALL the time. What will keep it from reinfecting an individual that got it in the first place?

If that individual is already having more symptoms WITH the medication that he was without it, perhaps this is a case where attacking the cause is even more urgent than in the usual case.

Hope this helps.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 09:53:26:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by MP on September 15, 2001 at 12:36:16:

THANKS MP FOR YOUR NOTES RE HP.

MY HUSBAND SUFFERED WITH THESE SYMPTONS PRIOR TO TAKING HIS MEDICATION. HE HAS NOW BEEN TAKING THEM FOR 4 DAYS. HE HAS BEEN TOLD BY HIS DOCTOR HE SHOULD FEEL BETTER AFTER 7 DAYS ALTHOUGH THE TREATMENT IS FOR 3 WEEKS.

HE IS TAKING ANTI-BIOTICS AND 2 OTHER FORMS OF MEDICATION TO CURE HP. MY CONCERN WHEN HE HAS AN ATTACK HE FEELS PAIN IN HIS STOMACH, DIZZINESS, BLURRY VISION, NO SENSATION IN HIS LEGS.

I AM WONDERING WHETHER HE HAS ANOTHER HEALTH PROBLEM AS WELL AS HP. HE IS ALSO HAD PAINS IN HIS HAND AND BACK PAINS TOO.

HE WILL NOT STOP TAKING HIS MEDICATION UNTIL COURSE FINISHES.

I AM THINKING MAYBE THESE ATTACKS ARE NOT DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH HB.





Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Marie on September 17, 2001 at 11:11:31:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 06:49:11:

I agree with you, Nina. I really don't think that his symptoms are due to the bacteria; basically, most HP symptoms are stomach-related in one way or another. This could be one of those unfortunate correlations that he has a stomach disease, along with another problem. I WILL say that, especially if his stomach is really bothering him, he might be more sensitive to stress. When I had this infection, I was irritable, depressed, and much more easily stressed. Perhaps the infection has made these attacks "easier" to have. I'm not familiar with panic attacks, in terms of personal experience. But these symptoms definitely fall in the category of panic attacks. After the HP treatment, it might be worthwhile to try to treat the panic attacks; if his attacks go away, then you can be certain that he is enduring panic. Has he had any other evaluation for his nervous and cardiac systems? This is out of my league in terms of knowledge, but those two systems might cause something like that. It might be worth mentioning to your doctor. At the very least, you can be certain to leave no stone unturned in your pursuit for the real truth about what's going on. But I would be very hard-pressed to attribute these attacks to HP.

If his stomach doesn't feel better in 7 days, then don't be too concerned; sometimes people recover quickly, but other times, it's not until after the meds that folks tend to feel better. The meds in and of themselves can make a person feel pretty cruddy. I sure did. Take care, Nina.



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by MP on September 17, 2001 at 11:21:22:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 09:53:26:

I would be VERY surprised if HB were causing all of those symptoms. That doesn't sound like this bacteria at all. I would definitely get him checked out THOROUGHLY. If the pain in his back happens all the time (not just during attacks), then that could be related to his stomach, if the pain is around his scapula. If it's just during attacks, then probably not. Anyway, I definitely think you're right, Nina. He has multiple things going on. And, yes, panic attacks can definitely be brought on by stress. I hope that you can get this figured out!



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:24:35:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by MP on September 17, 2001 at 11:21:22:

Thanks for your reply.

I hope too I can get it all figured out!

After 7 hours waiting yesterday at the hospital (Accident & Emergency Dept)all we got were painkillers and told just continue with the medication!!

It is terrible. I guess I am left with the task of finding out exactly what is wrong with him. I have mentioned the symptons to others to try to find out if these are panic attacks.

I just hope I get results before he gets worse.

Nina.




Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:32:32:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by Marie on September 17, 2001 at 11:11:31:

Thanks for your reply.

He was admitted to Hospital yesterday, Accident & Emergency but was told after 7 hours of waiting to continue with the medication and take pain killers.

It was very disappointing. Of course he will finish the course of medication but all his symptons occured before starting the treatment.

They did check his heart, blood pressure, pulse and all was OK. The doctor is saying the same thing just continue with the medication.

I am left to find out what is wrong with him myself I guess. i think it is stress related but I am left wondering if it is a panic attack.

lets hope i find out before he gets worse.

Nina



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:42:01:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 2001 at 08:44:40:

Thanks for your reply.

Walt, my concern is he seems to be getting worse the more he continues with the medication. After 7 hours at hospital yesterday waiting to be seen by a doctor were told just take painkillers and continue with the treatment.

GP tells us the same. I cannot understand why doctors seem to just connect his symptons to HP.

It seems I am left with the task of discovering what he is suffering from on my own without help from the professionals in the medical world.

I'm sorry but LGS in the Archives seems all a bit confusing to me. At this stage all I need to know or have confirmed is whether his illness is a panic/anxiety attack or not caused by stress.

Right now, he is very worried to even eat anything because his scared that it may bring on an attack.

Nina



Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 19, 2001 at 08:38:58:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 06:49:11:

Hi, Nina.

In the meantime, why not start learning what you both will eventually have to know anyhow to stop this chronic problem? Read everything in the archives about LGS and stress effect.

Let us know what you learn.

It truly is AMAZING how much people will put themselves through rather than learn something new.

Walt

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in stress.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 19, 2001 at 08:41:33:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 17, 2001 at 08:11:14:

Nina,

Read the books by Selye and Pelletier and you will understand that everything he is experiencing is from chronic stress-effect storage in the hypothalamus.

Knowledge is power.

Walt

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by MP on September 19, 2001 at 21:14:30:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:24:35:

ARGH!!! Only a monopoly could get away with this, Nina. It sounds like they just didn't want to deal with his problem. Is there another hospital that you can visit? It's a sad reality that we often have to battle not only our medical problems but also the physicians who could potentially help us. I have been through something similar myself (not in terms of symptoms, just of being "blown off"). When your condition gets bad enough, you have no choice but to keep on searching. Do everything that you possibly can to get him tested and treated with something other than pain killers. You may have to be firm with the physicians. Tell them that you know your husband, and something is WRONG, and ask them for a full explanation of why they think that painkillers will solve his problem. Make them "sell" their diagnosis to you, convince you. Put them on the defensive a little. Don't be nasty about it, but definitely let them know that you're serious and you won't put up with lazy medicine. I'm so sorry that this is even an issue; it's more than enough to try to deal with the medical problem itself. It would be nice to feel like you have some real allies. GOOD LUCK, Nina. Let us know how he does.

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Marie on September 19, 2001 at 21:22:06:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.) posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:42:01:

Painkillers alone can have all sorts of side effects. That might make his stomach worse. I wonder if they would give him anti-anxiety meds just to calm him down a bit? I don't think they'd object; these meds seem to be readily prescribed.

Maybe there is something going on nerve-wise that is affecting his stomach and the meds combined with the HP and stress is making things worse. I don't know--just a guess.

You're right to trust your instinct. Those physicians are pathetic. Can find a new one? Stand up for him. If you absolutely need to get off the meds, try the Mastic (Allergy Research Group). It has direct action against HP. Deglycerized licorice is also good. But there is obviously something independent going on that needs attention.

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI

Posted by Marie on September 19, 2001 at 21:26:51:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:32:32:

A basic check of his pulse, BP, etc is very good, but there are a lot of things that could be going on that aren't reflected by these basic tests. I don't know what kind of cardiology or neurology tests are available, but perhaps more in-depth study would reveal something. Perhaps he could consult an internist instead of a GP?

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Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 20, 2001 at 09:02:07:

In Reply to: Re: HELICOBACTER PYLORI (Archive in LGS.) posted by NINA MORSLI on September 18, 2001 at 11:42:01:

Hi, Nina.

HP CANNOT cause his symptoms. The only thing that can is stress-effect storage (the very thing that causes LGS).

I know that there is a lot in the archives to wade through but you just have to take the time to see what it is saying. Your only other options are to get copies of Selye's and Pelletier's books and read them. Your library can help you find them.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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