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LSG - Phychosymatic?

Posted by PATTI on March 04, 1999 at 13:46:40:

Have they really had clinical studies on parasite and
candida showing that they thrive on sugars and gluten?
Where's the proof? Or is this just another ploy to get
people on cleansing programs?

Is diet and bad bugs a real factor in LGS? From all my reading on the BB ---it suggests that LGS is phychosymatic!


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Re: LSG - Phychosymatic?

Posted by Deb on March 04, 1999 at 17:16:31:

In Reply to: LSG - Phychosymatic? posted by PATTI on March 04, 1999 at 13:46:40:


Dear Patti,

I have a real problem with the term psychosomatic. This to me always has connotations of a doctor who doesn't know what is wrong with someone saying "you're not ill, it's all in your head" and prescribing anti-depressants.

While there MAY be a small minority of people who are mentally or emotionally ill and IMAGINE they have symptoms they do not, who is to say that even that does not have a physical cause.

If you are referring to stored stress in the hypothalamus being a contributor to LGS, CRS, etc - yes, sure, but it is still physical, not mental (if I have understood correctly). This stored stress makes the body susceptible to opportunistic critters like parasites and candida, which may or may not then occur.

And as for where this stored stress comes from - well, eating a diet which doesn't line up with your individual needs is ONE of the contributors to that.

I'm not saying don't be suspicious of glib prescriptions of parasites or candida without enough evidence, and you're right, they are among the symptoms not the cause. But telling someone with LGS that it's all in their mind is a sure-fire way to lose friends!

Regards, Deb.


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LSG - Phychosymatic? Yes, that the whole point

Posted by Pete R on March 04, 1999 at 17:23:09:

In Reply to: LSG - Phychosymatic? posted by PATTI on March 04, 1999 at 13:46:40:

Hello.
You say "phychosymatic" with distain. Psychosomatic IS real. Have you ever heard of the Placebo affect? The brain indeed has great influence over out bodies and health. And long-term stress in the brain (you have to really read the books) reduces blood flow to the gut and in a sense "causes" LGS.

If your doctor laughs at you and says, "Its all in your head"... in just might be.
Regards. Pete Reinhard



Re: LSG - Phychosymatic?

Posted by Karel on March 04, 1999 at 18:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: LSG - Phychosymatic? posted by Deb on March 04, 1999 at 17:16:31:

Deb,
I absolutely agree with your post. If the "psychosomatic" problems would be just in people's minds, in the way they think, then no food, no drugs and no fresh air or whatever could change this. But all these very material, molecular substances do influence the "psychosomatic" problems, so some doctors' statements like "it's all in your head" are equivalent to "I don't really know anything about your problem I'm sorry". They mostly have a material base, it's the neurotransmitters, immunologic responses, too little of some nutrient or too many toxins, etc. Psychological stress can start the whole process, but after the problem has changed the body (LGS), then it is not a solution to "talk to a psychotherapist". SR does help also on the material level, increasing the blood supply thereby increasing nutrients and oxygen supply, changing the electrical charge of nerves and acupuncture channels, etc.
Be well,
Karel



Re: LSG - Psychosomatic? (SIGH!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 1999 at 11:18:14:

In Reply to: LSG - Phychosymatic? posted by PATTI on March 04, 1999 at 13:46:40:

Hi, Patti.

You need to bring yourself up to date in the scientific world by reading all you can find about psychoneuroimmunology. Your note sounds like you are still in the era of what they taught me in medical school 40 years ago. This is one area in which there has been phenomenal progress in understanding and we STILL are just scratching the surface of what there is to learn.

The term psychosomatic was abandoned more than 20 years ago by anyone knowledgable in the area.

For example: the intestinal cells have the identical endorphins found in the brain, as does the heart, liver, etc., etc. Now, what do you think THAT means?

Walt



Re: LSG - Phychosymatic?

Posted by BRIAN on March 15, 1999 at 01:17:33:

In Reply to: LSG - Phychosymatic? posted by PATTI on March 04, 1999 at 13:46:40:

Any one who considers that LGS or other diseases including Gulf War Illness are psychosematic shall be locked up for ever, without right to parole!


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Re: LSG - Psychosomatic? (Help shift paradigms.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 16, 1999 at 13:01:04:

In Reply to: Re: LSG - Phychosymatic? posted by BRIAN on March 15, 1999 at 01:17:33:

Dear Brian,

When I get frustrated with so much intentional ignorance I tend to agree with you.

However, ignorance IS curable by the accumulation of knowledge. It is VERY hard for people to change their paradigms. This seems to be a characterization of the human species. Some will not change until the vast majority of the population has already done it.

That is why I donate so much of my time here on this BB.

I appreciate everyone's help in getting the word out to the rest of the world.

Walt



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