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Peptic Ulcer???

Posted by Elaine on October 18, 2001 at 21:39:23:

I recently ordered your book but I do have a question. I may have a peptic ulcer, I havent been to a dr for it but these are the symptomsI get if I eat things like spaghetti sauce, too much salt in foods, salad dressings, gravies, chocolate and caffeine:
I get this very uncomfortable gnawing (not pain) just below the breastbone. This uncomfortableness also occurs when I'm extremely stressed. I also hear mild gurgling there. Could this be an ulcer, and would foods like Lipton Noodle soup with 720 grams of salt aggravate it? Im hooked on this soup but today I read the salt content, I couldnt understand why such a delicious soup would cause me all this discomfort. Ive been like this for over 10 years, but as I said it only acts up when I eat the above mentioned. Otherwise, I am in super shape, not overweight, not a drinker or smoker and Im 47 and suffer with anxieties most of my life. I cant wait to read your book Ive read so much about it. Thank you



Re: Peptic Ulcer??? I forgot to mention something

Posted by Elaine on October 18, 2001 at 22:05:51:

In Reply to: Peptic Ulcer??? posted by Elaine on October 18, 2001 at 21:39:23:

I forgot to mention that I went thru the archives and only found items pertaining to Gerd. Nothing at all was listed for ulcer or peptic ulcer.



Re: Peptic Ulcer???

Posted by Helping You on October 19, 2001 at 00:59:44:

In Reply to: Peptic Ulcer??? posted by Elaine on October 18, 2001 at 21:39:23:

Have you begun your SR? The anxiety you have been experiencing for so long has created chronic bracing and is contributing to the hyperacidity condition you are experiencing now. You may or may not have a peptic ulcer but the following advice will cure it if you have the problem.

For now, It would be best to avoid most acidic foods including vinegar, citrus, tomatoes, caffeine, harsh spices, dairy, wheat. The gurgling is also a sign of indigestion. SR is the long-term answer. You can foster your improvement with the following additions to your wellness program:

1) DGL (chewable form) = helps heal ulcers and kills h.pylor(80% of ulcers are caused by h.pylori infection). Chew 2 wafers 20 minutes before meals

2) Plant enzyme complex WITHOUT protease. Gammazyme from RGarden (www.rgarden.com) is an excelent enzyme for this. Take 1-2 caps before meals

3) Drink more water

4) Go to archives, try Ginger juice treatment

5) A good probiotic supplement like Flora Source

6) L-glutamine = 500mg 3x per day (powder form). This heals the lining of the digestive system.

Your diet should focus on proteins at each meal supported by vegetables, cold-pressed Olive oil, and a moderate amount of fresh fruits, legumes, sprouted grains, nuts.

I hope this helps you

-HY



Re: Peptic Ulcer???--? for HY

Posted by William on October 19, 2001 at 14:08:46:

In Reply to: Re: Peptic Ulcer??? posted by Helping You on October 19, 2001 at 00:59:44:

Helping,

Great advice. I have a question for you about this. You said to stay away from wheat and dairy. Could you explain why? Back in the day, we were always told to drink milk for our ulcers. I certainly don't doubt someone with your background--I'm just ignorant. Thanks.



Re: Peptic Ulcer??? I forgot to mention something

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2001 at 16:53:42:

In Reply to: Re: Peptic Ulcer??? I forgot to mention something posted by Elaine on October 18, 2001 at 22:05:51:

Hi, Elaine.

Same causes (LGS), same approach to resolution!

Walt

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Re: Peptic Ulcer??? Thank you 'Helping You' nmi

Posted by Elaine on October 19, 2001 at 22:09:47:

In Reply to: Re: Peptic Ulcer??? posted by Helping You on October 19, 2001 at 00:59:44:

nmi

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Re: Peptic Ulcer???--? for HY

Posted by Helping You on October 21, 2001 at 09:04:55:

In Reply to: Re: Peptic Ulcer???--? for HY posted by William on October 19, 2001 at 14:08:46:

This is EXACTLY what the advice in the past was. I forget the reason it was touted to heal ulcers. Maybe doctor stoll can answer that. But, I can assure you, avoiding milk will help you heal it. maybe they thought that ulcers were created by acids, so drinking milk would act as a base??



Re: why dairy/wheat is bad

Posted by William on October 21, 2001 at 11:21:36:

In Reply to: Re: Peptic Ulcer???--? for HY posted by Helping You on October 21, 2001 at 09:04:55:

Yes, that does sound familiar. I think we were told to do that because of milk's tendency to coat (hence, protect) tissue as well as turning acid to base. I'd very much like to know why dairy (all dairy?) and wheat are now contraindicated for ulcers. Please update my old brain files. Dr. Stoll?



dairy contraindicated in ulcers?.......Dr. Stoll??

Posted by Helping You on October 21, 2001 at 14:02:50:

In Reply to: Re: why dairy/wheat is bad posted by William on October 21, 2001 at 11:21:36:

Hi again. Wheat and dairy are 2 of the most allergenic foods on the planet. We eat them in so many forms that people often develop allergies to them. This is one reason to avoid them in any wellness program. Gluten is the hard-to-digest protein in wheat. Casein is the hard-to-digest protein in milk. Dr. Stoll may know more about this. If not, I will search my references for the answer. The advice is sound but for reasons unkown to me right now. I will get back to you

-HY



Re: dairy contraindicated in ulcers?.......Dr. Stoll??

Posted by William on October 21, 2001 at 21:00:20:

In Reply to: dairy contraindicated in ulcers?.......Dr. Stoll?? posted by Helping You on October 21, 2001 at 14:02:50:

Thanks VERY much for the trouble. I'd really appreciate understanding this.

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Re: why dairy/wheat is bad

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 22, 2001 at 08:48:38:

In Reply to: Re: why dairy/wheat is bad posted by William on October 21, 2001 at 11:21:36:

Hi, William.

Listen to Helping You. The reason these 2 are the most common food allergens in OUR culture is that they are the ones most commonly eaten in our culture! In China it would be rice, etc.

Ov course ulcers are directly related to LGS and LGS is the most common cause of hypersensitivities (leaked peptides).

Walt



Re: why dairy/wheat is bad

Posted by William on October 22, 2001 at 12:23:33:

In Reply to: Re: why dairy/wheat is bad posted by Walt Stoll on October 22, 2001 at 08:48:38:

I see. So, what you're saying is that these two things are bad for ulcers because if we are allergic to dairy or wheat, then eating these foods might further irritate our stomachs, worsening our condition. So, if we're NOT allergic to dairy or wheat, then eating these things would be just fine. Am I straight on this now? Thanks!



Re: why dairy/wheat is bad (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 23, 2001 at 09:37:17:

In Reply to: Re: why dairy/wheat is bad posted by William on October 22, 2001 at 12:23:33:

Yes, William.

However, only YOUR bodymind can tell you if total elimination will help your symptoms.

The unfortunate thing is that, if you do nothing about your LGS, having eliminated the 2 most common things eaten in this culture, you will simply become allergic to the foods you replace them with.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: break the cycle--natural antihistamines?

Posted by Marie on October 23, 2001 at 11:59:27:

In Reply to: Re: why dairy/wheat is bad (Archive in LGS.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 23, 2001 at 09:37:17:

So, what you're saying is that food allergies caused by LGS can further irritate an already irritated stomach. I've posted something similar before---I'm the one with the chronic gastritis caused by anti-inflammatories 2 years ago, then unexplained (by allopaths) gastritis, then h-pylori, and now back to unexplained. Of course, we know better, don't we? If I do an elimination diet, then I will...eliminate my diet.It's already very limited because so many things set me off. I'm in the early stages of SR, aloe, GammaZyme, Primal Defense, DGL, and aloe. But results take time, of course. I considered that part of my problem may be due to food sensitivity due to two factors: My LGS, as evidenced by the fact that I got h-pylori and Candida, and the fact that I've eaten the same foods chronically. My allopath wants to put me on Prednizone to knock the inflammation and mediate the allergic response (1 week's worth), but I'm afraid that this will mess up my stomach even more. So, my question is this: Just to get the initial irritation out of there so that I can branch out on my diet so I can do a true elimination and PWFD, what would you recommend in the way of a natural anti-histamine (or synthetic, for that matter--Yes, to the Pred? Benadryl? Allegra?)? I don't know if anything but the Pred would be effective in truly making a dent in my chronic allergic response and, hence, nasty gastritis/inflammation (I burn and gurgle A LOT; the infection ate away the mucous lining, and it's having a rough time growing back). Like I said, theis will only be temporary--just to help my stomach become less reactive, hence less inflamed, enabling me to eat other foods. I hope that makes sense. I'd really appreciate any ideas that you all might have.



Re: break the cycle--natural antihistamines?

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 24, 2001 at 08:56:39:

In Reply to: Re: break the cycle--natural antihistamines? posted by Marie on October 23, 2001 at 11:59:27:

Thanks, Marie.

I do not think a week of the prednisone could harm you much. Especially if a large enough dose was used to be pretty sure of results.

Then the question will be: How long can you expect relief while you are dealing with the most pressing causes?

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: scared of Prednisone: mixed stories

Posted by Marie on October 24, 2001 at 12:16:52:

In Reply to: Re: break the cycle--natural antihistamines? posted by Walt Stoll on October 24, 2001 at 08:56:39:

Thank you very much, Dr. Stoll. I had just switched to a new gastroenterologist, who suggested the Pred. He gave me the dose of (each day): 40, 40, 30, 30, 20, 20, 10, 10. He told me that for this short of a hit, we should get some results without at all harming my stomach (assuming that I take the Pred with a meal). I called my old GNT, and they said that some people are fine, but others get nauseated; they said to be sure to always have something on my stomach because otherwise it will be further irritated. They scared me. I don't know who to believe. I'm scared because my stomach right now: it's definitely irritated; even a tiny bit of spice makes it burn and gurgle for hours. I can't imagine what Pred might do. If this IS allergy or a cycle of chronic inflammation, then Pred might ultimately help get me over the initial hump so I can, as I said in my last post, have a better idea what role allergy is playing in this and then get on a rotation diet. Right now I'm not eating enough foods to rotate. This is why I'm hesistant but still wanting to try the Pred. I've never done this before, let alone under these conditions. Are you still sure that Pred won't hurt me? Thank you....



GEEZ, Lady, he answered your question!

Posted by no name on October 24, 2001 at 15:08:47:

In Reply to: Re: scared of Prednisone: mixed stories posted by Marie on October 24, 2001 at 12:16:52:




Re: GEEZ, Lady, he answered your question!

Posted by Marie on October 24, 2001 at 19:05:58:

In Reply to: GEEZ, Lady, he answered your question! posted by no name on October 24, 2001 at 15:08:47:

You're right. He DID answer my question. I wanted to make sure, though, that he understood the EXTENT of my stomach problem; this is more than "just" GERD or a belly ache. In retrospect, I should have been more specific from the get-go so that I didn't have to re-post.

Your response has made me grateful for things that I have recently taken for granted. I'm having a rough time physically and emotionally right now (but doing my best to learn and heal, thanks to Dr. Stoll and the rest), and I can't imagine how bad off I would be to be SO irritated at another's apparent mistake (harmless but potentially annoying) that I would resort to lashing out---at something so trivial. Most would simply shake their heads and move on. I'm not trying to be smart here--I want you to know that I feel sorry for you, and I hope that you can begin to heal from whatever is going on in your life. To be so chronically bent out of shape must be miserable. And to lash out is such a temporary release of pressure. I hope that you can find REAL relief in the months ahead.

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Re: scared of Prednisone: mixed stories

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 25, 2001 at 09:21:20:

In Reply to: Re: scared of Prednisone: mixed stories posted by Marie on October 24, 2001 at 12:16:52:

Thanks, Marie.

ANYONE CAN REACT TO ANYTHING. Since this is so far advanced, I do not see that you have any choice. The odds of the prednisone causing you problems is much less than the continuation of your problem. This dosage is good as is the time used. VERY little risk of anything bad happening.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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