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PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by PeteZ on October 26, 2001 at 21:13:41:

I have been using these products for just a few days and am noticing results already. They seem to be very good at what they do. Has anyone else noticed any quick results like this before? I know that it will take time to fix the problem but with the early relief from the symptoms I can go back to my Tm/SR and surfing and get it back under controll.



Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 27, 2001 at 15:55:12:

In Reply to: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by PeteZ on October 26, 2001 at 21:13:41:

Primal Defense helped me completely get rid of severe candida tropicalis infection, dysbiosis, gas, gas cramping, and IBS-like symptoms. I went as high as to take 30 caps per day at one time. Over time, PD helps to re-establish the entire GI system. It is my favorite probiotic

-HY

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Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by matt on October 27, 2001 at 20:57:21:

In Reply to: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by PeteZ on October 26, 2001 at 21:13:41:

I just read an article about the yeast that's in Primal Defense. I t says you shouldn't take it if you have:

a: yeast infection
b: a bowel disorder
c: low immunity

And everywhere else ppl are advocating it's use as a treatment for precisely these problems.

Contradictions like these are so frustrating, arrrggghhhhh!



Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Oh No!!!!! on October 27, 2001 at 23:48:43:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by matt on October 27, 2001 at 20:57:21:

Can you say where that information might be read?

Thanks

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They must have been high

Posted by Beth E. on October 28, 2001 at 00:03:41:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by matt on October 27, 2001 at 20:57:21:

It's perfect for yeast infections, IBS and low immunity. It's helped with so many things I can't even count. I really think whoever wrote that article was seriously high. Or maybe a pharmaceutical company employee.



Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 01:10:17:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by matt on October 27, 2001 at 20:57:21:

I can assure you that the yeasts in PD are BENEFICIAL. I have been taking this probiotic for more than 2 years with ONLY positive results. Follow-up CDSA's ALWAYS show balanced flora and enhanced digestion. Where did you read this?

-HY



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by
LINDA on October 28, 2001 at 02:22:32:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 01:10:17:

If it is so good how come you are taking for 2 YEARS. I got my candida under control within 6 months.
Perhaps you're rich and like the taste?
linda



Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by matt on October 28, 2001 at 13:01:56:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 01:10:17:

Can't remember which site it was right now but I'll let you now the URL if I come across it again.

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Re: They must have been high

Posted by matt on October 28, 2001 at 13:06:31:

In Reply to: They must have been high posted by Beth E. on October 28, 2001 at 00:03:41:

I dunno about high but it's quite possible they had dealings with pharmaceutical companies! Think it was a mainstream medical site that advocated the use of the yeast in Primal Defense to treat C.Difficile Diahrrea. Then listed those warnings.

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Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 14:36:33:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by LINDA on October 28, 2001 at 02:22:32:

HSO soil organisms only work as long as you continue to supplement them. They will get candida and other problems under control relatviely quickly but the benefits stop after 72 hours of being off the supplement. HSO's are transient. They do their work and they leave the colon. These organisms were eaten EVERY DAY througout people's lives when soil was organic, fertile, and thriving with these organsisms. Since the soil today is almost devoid of HSO's, it makes sense to supplement them on a daily basis. I have not been sick since starting them. I will continue to take them long term as a preventative supplement. People often relapse with candida for the very reason you suggest. The product works, gets rid of the candida, they stop taking the product and continue their old lifestyle. Within a few months, they are back at square one. PD is a WHOLE FOOD and therefore can be supplemented for life. I hope this expands your understanding of preventative nutrition.

-HY



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Vince F on October 28, 2001 at 15:02:17:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 14:36:33:

My feeling is if something doesn't solve a problem Fast it
isn't the real answer. Like taking aspirins for constant
headaches it isn't a cure and another answer is needed. If
soils were depeleted then everyone would have the problem
and need to suppliment for their lack.

I like thing that takeing them once shows results and at
most taking them a few times gets rid of the problem. If Not
I look for something else since I know that isn't the
answer.

VF



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 17:10:27:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Vince F on October 28, 2001 at 15:02:17:

Thanks for your view. I have to disgree on a few points though. Just because the soils are depleted, this does not mean that EVERY person will suffer, at least not immediately. Some people have immune systems that are stronger than others and can deal with greater onslaughts. some people's nutrient requirements are higher than others. This all makes a difference when it comes down to who will get sick and who won't. Lastly, having the view that if one does not get well instantaniously or the treatment is worthless is not a very well thought statement. The problems that people are experiencing now started in childhood in many cases. How can all of those years of abuse to the body/mind be overcome immediately as you suggest? Maybe this is why you are constantly searching for answers. You don't give any one treatment or idea long enough to work.

-HY



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by matt on October 28, 2001 at 17:29:22:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 17:10:27:

Are you sure the HSO's in primal defense are transient? The strains listed on the site include the likes of l.acidophilus and b.bifidus, these are not transient bacteria, are they?

The only bacteria I have come across that is transient and works in the way you describe is bacillus laterosporus.

Please set me straight!



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Vince F on October 28, 2001 at 18:29:47:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 17:10:27:

I definetly wouldn't wait months or years for a result when
many things have helped me and mine in one day or one
treatment. That tells me I found the Right thing and why
I won't waste time on something that doesn't work fast. I
have a friend who tries many things recomended here that
take a Long time to work and he takes them for a Long time
and gets little relief. He thinks that I should try them
but they rarely sound like they would help me so I keep
searching but my damage is said to be perminant but many
things have helped. Just nice to take things once or once
a month and have the problem vanish even long standing
things.

VF



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:41:43:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Vince F on October 28, 2001 at 18:29:47:

Maybe you missed the original idea I was posting about. Primal Defense worked for me almost immediately. I just feel that taking PD every day as a preventative is worth it in the long run. That is why I said I have been taking it for 2 years. Not because I have been sitting around waiting for it to work, but because it works so well I don't want to stop taking it.
-HY



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:44:18:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by matt on October 28, 2001 at 17:29:22:

You are right. Not all of them are transient. Many of them are. They work together to provide a more complete bacterial colonization. This product is even used by board-certified gastroenterologists. You need not worry about the safety of Primal Defense.

-HY

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Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Vince F on October 29, 2001 at 01:29:39:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:41:43:

Maybe I did miss the point or got confused that PD solved
someone elses problem completely but having to take a lot,
often, or for a long time makes me think it isn't the
solution. I had to take zinc for years only after heavy
physical activity or I couldn't move for days and niacin
and a multi vit had done half of what the zinc did. I found
out that zinc was needed in the outer membrane of RBC's to
allow exchange of gases and wastes and nothing else worked
and it worked in minutes and one pill was enough so that
was the best I could do. When MSM came on the market and
they claimed that it could get lactic acid out of the
muscles I ran out to get it. One brand Did help a chronic,
minor sinus problem but nothing else and when it wasn't needed for
that I didn't take it. Hearing somone here claim that they
got Sundown brand MSM at Wal Mart I figured I would get it
the next time I was there since I like the brand and they
are cheap and figured I might need it since I still had
sinus problems about about once a week instead of daily that
needed 2 sinus drugs. That brand did for my muscles what
I had heard MSM would do after only a few pills and hasn't
been needed since. seeing a difference in brands as to
what they help I tried all that I could find. Another brand
started to help a knee problem that was really what got me
looking into MSM and that took a week to fix it though it
has come back but only after months of no pains and not
taking it. My experience is if the problem isn't there then
taking what helped it is a waste of time and money since
taking something that has helped for days or weeks when
not needing it and then stoping for One day it could flare
up the next and not taking it for months the problem might
not appear. That happened with cod oil for another knee
problem. I still have a bottle of 100 caps I bought 15 yrs
ago with a few left that I Did have to take for 3 yrs but
only one cap a month or so which was about when I would
stress my knee and cause pain. The pain would be gone in
15 min after taking one. For 12 yrs that pain hasn't
returned and the cod did Nothing for the recent problem so
I didn't take it. maybe it is me but if something doesn't
work in minutes it won't work in months so I look for fast
acting things. I compare it to giving a wilting plant water
and it revives in a short time. I know suppliments aren't
water and hydrating but I figure when I hit the Right item
it will work as fast.

VF



Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 2001 at 08:31:55:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 01:10:17:

Thanks, Helping You.

To Matt, Linda and Vince, I say: Remember that we are trying to repair a system that has taken at least millions of years to develop here. It got out of whack when the stress-effect produced LGS (an unhealthy place for these ecologically sound organisms to fluorish). Until the LGS is corrected, of course one would have to continue to take large doses over many years to continue helping. Eventually, even that would not be enough.

Even though the correct dose of the correct organisms MIGHT give nearly immediate results, they might just as well take weeks or even months to help. IF the person truly HAS LGS, there is not doubt that they are needed!

The idea is to "make hay while the sun is shining" (from an old farmer like me). That means, while the exogenous probiotics are helping symptoms, get busy correcting why they were lost in the first place.

Hope this helps.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by Helping You on October 29, 2001 at 11:09:08:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Vince F on October 29, 2001 at 01:29:39:

Hi Vince, how would you handle LGS, dysbiosis and colon problems FAST? I wish that this were posible but it takes years to develop LGS. It doesn't happen over night and it can't be cured over night. SR alone might take 6 months or longer to heal the LGS but it's most effective in the long run. With diet change, certain probiotics, and nutritional supplements geared at the person's physiology, that time period can be reduced to possibly 3 months. If you can HEAL (not cover up) LGS in a matter of days or a week or two, please enlighten me because it would save all of us a lot of time. It is probably possible to take zinc or take which ever compound you are partial to and maybe heal a cold, or a minor bacterial infection in a relatively short period of time. BUT, we are taking about long-standing conditions here. Not something we picked up outside one day. We are taking about a condition that has gone through several stages of developement into something we refer to now as LGS. If it can be healed (I mean COMPLETELY healed) in a matter of days or a few weeks, please educate me. I am always open to new ways of thinking. If not, I assure you, it takes at least 3 months. Read Walt's reply to our conversation just a few posts above. I hope that helps.

-HY

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Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Vince F on October 29, 2001 at 11:48:11:

In Reply to: Re: PrimalDefense and Perfect food (Archive in LGS.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 2001 at 08:31:55:

Walt, I think my hound had LGS and yogurt, tripe, and
cayenne cured him in days. It stoped food sensitivities,
many digestive problems and brought him up to his normal
weight in 3 days from being skin, bones, and tendons when
nothing else that normally works did and it got rid of fears
Going to give them cleaned tripe again to see if it will
clean their teeth like the Green kind does
which has grass, stomach acid, and bacteria in it since if
it had digestive enzymes in the meat it may still have some
acid or whatever cleans their teeth in the green kind.

Just read about a 12 yr old rescue dog that had all kinds
of problems and after being fed it is 17 now and ruling
rest of the pack.

Guess I just prefer things that act fast. I ate some of
the tripe along with them but it Didn't do a thing for me
but I didn't expect it to since Oatmeal solved my food
sensitivities and Severe, stabing headaches in minutes after
months of bouts that could last for 3-4 days from almost
anything I ate but rice and a little meat.


VF

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Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food

Posted by PD FS on November 30, 2001 at 10:14:37:

In Reply to: Re: Helping you 2 YRS... PrimalDefense and Perfect food posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:41:43:

Do you prefer Primal Defense to Flora Source as a supplement to take for the rest of your life as a maintenance dose after you are well? Or does it matter which one you take?

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