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Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:55:34:

Mike, I am wondering how your weight is on this diet. have you been able to maintain weight or possible gain any? (I ask because many people on the SCD are underweight to begin with due to malabsorption).

-HY



Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by MV on October 29, 2001 at 06:18:35:

In Reply to: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:55:34:

Hi,

My weight has been around 160 for a long time. I've never had IBD, IBS, UC, Celiac, or Crohn's though. I've had a GI tract bacteria imbalance.

I don't expect my weight to change much. Maybe I'll gain a little on the SCDiet because I upped my protein from 50 grams daily to 75-100 grams daily. I eat plenty of food.

The longer I'm on the SCDiet, the more I see how I should stay on it forever. IMHO - SCD is the only diet for anyone that's ever had gut dysbiosis (LGS), or the above mentioned conditions.

MV



Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by ignorant on October 29, 2001 at 08:27:55:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by MV on October 29, 2001 at 06:18:35:

Hi,

What's SCD diet.

I've had Cold body (thyroid), Candida, LG, crohns, CFS, ect. and now just have decreasing Allergies.

The principles governing my diet are; Glycemic rating, and phenolic content.

Anon



Helping You

Posted by Mike V. on October 29, 2001 at 10:27:34:

In Reply to: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:55:34:

A question please? Is this a put-down of the SCDiet (specific carbohydrate diet)?

If I was eating grains, yes, I could load up on them, gain weight, and wind up with a fat belly, but that wouldn't be good - in my opinion. My weight is not a problem.

Sorry if I took it wrong. Thank you. Sometimes I wonder if people are trying to promote probiotics for monetary gain.

MV



Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by MV on October 29, 2001 at 10:28:27:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by ignorant on October 29, 2001 at 08:27:55:

http://scdiet.org

Gotta run.

MV

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Re: Helping You----no joke, no put down, serious question!

Posted by Helping You on October 29, 2001 at 10:54:05:

In Reply to: Helping You posted by Mike V. on October 29, 2001 at 10:27:34:

No Mike, this is no joke and no put down. The diet makes sense. I often tell people with digestive problems to at least eliminate grains. The problem is, often times, people find it hard to keep on weight and I am wondering how you are doing. Are you losing, maintaining or gaining? Do you find yourself satisfied, full or hungry? To you get hypoglycemia or is your sugar stable. I am interested in both the positive AND the negative experiences. No one diet is perfect all the time. They all have their drawbacks. Try not to get so defensive. We can learn more from your experience this way.

-HY



Link to Specific Carbohydrate Diet

Posted by
Don Leffingwell on October 29, 2001 at 13:56:46:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by ignorant on October 29, 2001 at 08:27:55:

Link to Specific Carbohydrate Diet

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Re: Helping You----SCD and Dr. Stoll !!!!!!

Posted by
Carroll on October 29, 2001 at 15:21:47:

In Reply to: Re: Helping You----no joke, no put down, serious question! posted by Helping You on October 29, 2001 at 10:54:05:

HI Helping you!

I just wanted to put in my two cent worth here.

I had extreme IBS, then diverticulous, extreme malabsorption and extreme weight loss, along with many other problems due to the Leaky gut...I ended up with wasting disease!

I was so frustrated that I contacted Dr. Stoll and at the same time, picked up SCD Diet Book. I will have to say that after 5-6 mos on the SCD Diet, I started to regain my weight but, I incorporated many of Dr. Stoll's suggestions as well, ie., probotics, SR, and walking. It took my body over 18 mos. to recover to any noticeable change. I did go from 89 pounds (5'6") to my current 120 pounds! I have now, incorporated SCD with Whole Foods Diet and have found since healing my "GUT"/Mind/Body that I do very well with a Whole Foods Diet. I still can not eat whole grain rice but, I can eat most all other whole foods now.

In the beginning, I too, lost a little more weight which freightened me to death. But, I was encouraged by Elaine (SCD author) to add B-12 injections, which I did for one year. I still use probotics daily to encourage my health. I had used CP-1 from Custom Probotics and eventually switched to Flora Source.

SCD Diet was the beginning of my healing, in my opinion! I had been to many Naturopaths and many doctors...all to no avail...but, following Dr. Stoll's advice and yes, a few times a kick in the pants from him, I have managed to recover. I can't say enough about how thankful I am for his guidance and the SCD Diet!!!!

I believe one must do their own research, ask questions and find what works for their own individual bodies. But, without a doubt, the support that I received from Dr. Stoll and people on SCD aided in my recovery.

If you have any further questions, please email me, I would be most happy to chat with you.

Carroll



Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by Marie Alise on October 29, 2001 at 19:25:55:

In Reply to: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by Helping You on October 28, 2001 at 22:55:34:

HY,

Just fyi-I lost weight on the SCD. Alot of weight. I was a walkin skeleton. The diet didn't change my dysbiotic condition, but it does for many. I don't follow the diet now, but I've had success adopting some of its principles. Mainly: no raw fruits & veg's, no processed foods, no alcohol, no milk, only ctn cheeses. When I added in the forbidden oats & brown rice, plus probiotics & antibacterials, focusing on soluable fiber--I eventually stopped having chronic diarrhea & have gained back my weight to a healthy level. I know the downfalls of grains, but for me, I would have withered away without them. I have no trouble with wheat either, but don't eat it often.

The SCD book by Elaine G.--"Breaking the Vicious Cycle" is excellent, however, & should be read by everyone with LGS related problems.

Cheers,
MA



Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by Erin... question for MA on October 30, 2001 at 09:47:08:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by Marie Alise on October 29, 2001 at 19:25:55:

Just wondering.... what was your chronic diarrhea from? Did you have a "labeled" condition like Crohns?



Re: Helping You----SCD and Dr. Stoll !!!!!! (TESTIMONIAL LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 30, 2001 at 10:03:04:

In Reply to: Re: Helping You----SCD and Dr. Stoll !!!!!! posted by Carroll on October 29, 2001 at 15:21:47:

Thanks, Carroll and congratulations!

There is never any doubt that these approaches will work--only whether the person will do them.

Namaste`

Walt

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Carroll ----SCD

Posted by MV on October 30, 2001 at 10:35:52:

In Reply to: Re: Helping You----SCD and Dr. Stoll !!!!!! posted by Carroll on October 29, 2001 at 15:21:47:

Hi,

I'm glad to hear that you've recovered so well on SCD.

I was going to go on high dose Primal Defense, but people on the SCDiet talked me out of it. Do you make 24 hour SCD legal yogurt?

You *may* possibly improve more by stopping the Flora Source, because Flora Source contains things that are SCD "illegal".

Best wishes,

Mike V.



Re: Carroll ----SCD

Posted by Helping You on October 30, 2001 at 11:46:05:

In Reply to: Carroll ----SCD posted by MV on October 30, 2001 at 10:35:52:

Elaine says that the little amount of rice starch in the probiotic is probably of little concern. The probiotics also breaks this down in the capsule. The amount of rice starch is miniscule.

Primal defense is 100% pre-digested. There is no risk of injury to the intestinal cells. Just go to www.crohns.net and look at Jordan Rubin's story. He had the worst case of crohns disease every discovered. He contributes partial sucess to going on a no-grain, low starch diet (similar to SCD but different in ways) but he contributed MOST improvement to soil organisms. I have spoken with him many times and I know this is the case. Wait, here is a solution for ya! Look up a product called Nature's Biotics. It is the soil organisms WITHOUT the whole-foods matrix that you are worried about.

I am CONVINCED that adding BENEFICAL probiotics to your regimen will allow you to heal faster. Yogurt is great but it doesn't contain anymore than 10 million organisms. You need more like 20 Billion or more per day to accomplish this. Either that or aggressive Soil Organisms but these are measured in CFU's, a little differnent method.

-HY



I've lost about 25 lbs so far.....

Posted by Trish on October 30, 2001 at 12:05:19:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by MV on October 29, 2001 at 06:18:35:

The thing is, I was doing the zero-carb thing for almost a year and not losing a pound. I started treating my LGS and the weight started coming off. I'm treating for four months now..am about halfway through my treatment I figure.

The difference is: No sugar, nothing that will convert into sugar in my body, PLUS the antifungals, and now, probiotics.

I'm not trying to lose the weight. It's doing it on its own.



Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet)

Posted by Marie Alise on October 30, 2001 at 13:11:15:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Mike V. (RE: SCD diet) posted by Erin... question for MA on October 30, 2001 at 09:47:08:

At first, I was labeled IBS because of occasional minor problems. Then I drank out of a mountain stream during a moment of weakness and got the Giardia bug. Because of my dysbiosis(allopaths called it IBS), it was able to "take over". Flagyl, the Rx antibacterial to fight Giardia, made it 10 xs worse. I think it killed the Giardia, but also all the good bugs. I had chronic diarrhea for 2 years.

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Which Elaine?

Posted by MV on October 30, 2001 at 14:54:12:

In Reply to: Re: Carroll ----SCD posted by Helping You on October 30, 2001 at 11:46:05:

Hi HY,

Do you mean Elaine Gotschall? If she said that then maybe I would try probiotics again, but Flora Source and Jarrodophilus weren't doing a thang for me. Maybe they would now that I'm on the SCD. I am more tolerant to cold air - something I haven't been in *several* years, so I know that I'm on the right track with SCD.

You could be right about me being helped by probiotics, but the main thing IMHO is - that I'm no longer Breaking the Vicious Cycle. I do not want to go around on the probiotics
merry-go-round and support some company when I don't need to.

I may take you up on that :>) I appreciate the advice.

MV



Re: Carroll ----SCD

Posted by
Carroll on October 30, 2001 at 17:35:32:

In Reply to: Carroll ----SCD posted by MV on October 30, 2001 at 10:35:52:

Hi Mike,

Yes, I did and do make the 24 hour yogurt! I use to make it out of Half n Half but now since my weight has return to NORMAL I have gone to whole milk instead of the Half n Half.

I recently switched from Flora Source to PB8 and take it 2 times a day. I believe that without the added help of Custom Probotic in the beginning, that I would still be fighting with all of this! I had no good bacteria in my system due to antibiotics which had been constantly used on me for what the doctors said was bladder infections.

I owe a lot of thanks to the people on SCD...they helped me when I ended up with Wasting Disease. I will admit that I have now incorporated both SCD and Whole Foods into my Diet. But, I also know that I may have done so too early. It was trial and error.

If you follow SCD...it is a good diet and over time will work for most but there is a percentage of people that it will not help.

What I found out most with all of this is the mere fact that we must take responsibility for ourselves and push and learn until we find what works. I just chose to do what Dr. Stoll encouraged me to do but never once did he say do not do SCD Diet.

Sorry to have rambled on and on.

Hope this helps!
Carroll



THE Elaine?

Posted by Helping You on October 30, 2001 at 20:40:23:

In Reply to: Which Elaine? posted by MV on October 30, 2001 at 14:54:12:

Yes. THAT Elaine. And this is not about supporting some company for their product. You didn't recieve the benefits of probiotics due to your diet. Now, you are on the SCD and you could use the beneficial flora. You might not be feeding the bad bacteria but you are not feeding the good either. Also, you may not have enough friendly flora to begin with. A CDSA would take all the guess work out and you could finally see if probiotics would help you or not. If you had less than optimal flora, low SCFA's, low butyrate, or even certain abnormal digestive markers, flora would make a HUGE difference. Go read Jordan Rubin's Story on www.crohns.net. He is for real!

-HY

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Re: Carroll ----SCD

Posted by MV on October 31, 2001 at 07:24:23:

In Reply to: Re: Carroll ----SCD posted by Carroll on October 30, 2001 at 17:35:32:

Hi,

I'm glad that SCD has worked out well for you. It's helping me too. I'm now more tolerant to cold. I can work up a sweat even on a cold day, which is definitely a good sign for me. I will stay on the SCdiet permanently.

Best wishes & take care,

Mike V.

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Re: Carroll ----SCD

Posted by MV on October 31, 2001 at 07:28:52:

In Reply to: Re: Carroll ----SCD posted by Helping You on October 30, 2001 at 11:46:05:

Thanks again HY.

My weight is staying about 160. If I gain weight, I want it to be muscle. I eat 3 protein meals daily. Increasing my protein from 2 to 3 meals daily has helped. I was eating fruit for supper every day. Fruit is a good snack between meals, but I'm one of them that needs 75-100 grams of animal protein, 3 times daily.

:-)

MV



Great. Thanks MV. NMI

Posted by Helping You on October 31, 2001 at 11:35:01:

In Reply to: Re: Carroll ----SCD posted by MV on October 31, 2001 at 07:28:52:

nmi

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Re: I've lost about 25 lbs so far.....

Posted by Helping You on October 31, 2001 at 11:41:15:

In Reply to: I've lost about 25 lbs so far..... posted by Trish on October 30, 2001 at 12:05:19:

Great Trish! I have a question for you though. You said that you tried the zero-carb thing and didn't lose weight. You said that you treated your LGS and this got better. this doesn't suprise me. But what confuses me is that you said a major difference between before and now, is that you are off all sugars, and anything that converts to sugars in the body.

So, if you did 0 carbs before, what sugar did you have left to eliminate now?

Also, and you probably didn't know this or else you wouldn't have infered it, but proteins and fats can convert to sugars in the body. Our bodies run on glucose, which can be converted from protein or fat in the absence of carbs so really, you were not off all things that convert to sugar. If you were, you would have been eating mothing but air and water :-) I AM curious what really did it for you so maybe you could explain this a little more thoroughly for me. I mean in the way of diet. By the way, CONGRADS!!!!!! :-)

-HY

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