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Posted by Serge C. on March 12, 2002 at 22:19:21:

Hi everybody,

For those who are interested, I must say to everybody that Primal Defense does not work for me. After a while, I have to stop because I seam to develop a sensitivity to it and my joint pains resume slowly. The last time I stopped, I experienced a rather strong withdrawal effect, like during an elimination diet.

Since I am fed-up to waste my time with natural products, I am planifying to use presciption anti-fungals. I finally found a few sites on the net that could sell and sent these products without presciption. My questions are:


Is Nystatin powder always the same composition and concentration?

Is generic Nystatin as good as brand Nystatin?

What would be a fair price for Nystatin powder?

Robert McFerran told me that I should use also a systemic anti-fungal like lamisil or sporanox.

Which one of them give the best result-to-cost ratio?

What would me the best dosage and for how long?

Does Nystatin also kill klebsiela and other type of parasites?

While killing the yeasts with anti-fungals, is there a possibility to worsen a dysbiosis condition by the proliferation of an other parasite?

Thanks

Serge C.




Re: Presciption anti-fungals

Posted by Interested on March 13, 2002 at 01:34:02:

In Reply to: Presciption anti-fungals posted by Serge C. on March 12, 2002 at 22:19:21:

Serge, Would you be kind enough to share with us the sites you found from which you can order these? Thanks.



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 2002 at 10:35:52:

In Reply to: Presciption anti-fungals posted by Serge C. on March 12, 2002 at 22:19:21:

Hi, Serge.

How are you doing with your SR?

I, too, would be interested in how you might get Nystatin without a prescription via the internet.

Nystatin Powder USP is the only one I would use myself because of it's safety and relative expense. You have to be careful though because most physicians and pharmacists tend to confuse this product with topical Nystatin Powder which is mostly talcum.

Also, tablets should not be used for many reasons.

Since it has been 10 years since I used the right kind of Nystatin, I no longer recall the cost. I used to order it in bulk to save my patients money and I know that a month's supply cost less than $20.

Nystatin ONLY kills candida. This is one of it's beauties.

I always used 750,000 units 4 times a day.

I always used generic Nystatin.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Joint pain and Primal Defense?

Posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2002 at 10:59:40:

In Reply to: Presciption anti-fungals posted by Serge C. on March 12, 2002 at 22:19:21:

Has anyone else experienced increased joint pain with Primal Defense? I recently started taking it again after a few weeks off. I had read Serge's post last night and thought of it immediately this morning because I woke up (numerous times!) with the worst hip pain I've had in months. I missed one of my doses of PD yesterday, so I took 3 caplets before bed to catch up. All my other joint and connective tissue pains are shouting today too. Obviously I'm going to skip a few days, at least, and see if I improve.

Serge, I hope you have better luck with Nystatin. It's powerful stuff.

Nutmeg



Re: Joint pain and Primal Defense?

Posted by Serge C. on March 13, 2002 at 12:20:49:

In Reply to: Joint pain and Primal Defense? posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2002 at 10:59:40:

Hi Nutmeg,

If you react like me to Primal Defense, your symptoms should worsen in first days of avoidance (especially around days 3 and 4) because of the withdrawal effect. You will have to stop at least a whole week before you come back to where you were before you started taking it.

Serge

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Re: Presciption anti-fungals to HY

Posted by Tim on March 14, 2002 at 04:10:35:

In Reply to: Presciption anti-fungals posted by Serge C. on March 12, 2002 at 22:19:21:

Since I see there's been much talk about natural antifungals, I'd like to get youre opinion on Serge C's post re prescription antifungals over natural ones.

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Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by
Serge C. on March 14, 2002 at 12:37:24:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 2002 at 10:35:52:

Thanks Walt,

About SR, I have been indeed loose on it recently. I have to get back on track about it, but it is hard with a 2 month old baby in the house.

Among the few sites I have found so far, the one that seams the most serious is:

www.pharm-international.com

I wonder why I did not find them before. You only need to make a search with the word "Pharmacy".

You didn't tell me what you think about lamisil or sporanox?

And about my last question?

I am looking also at the possibility of getting a special urine test, by mail, that could give me a good idea on my condition, but it is rather expensive for a single test. Then I don't know if really need to spend that money just to confirm what I think I already know. But could I be wrong just looking at the symptoms?

Thanks

Serge C.

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Re: Presciption anti-fungals

Posted by Serge C. on March 14, 2002 at 21:48:36:

In Reply to: Re: Presciption anti-fungals posted by Interested on March 13, 2002 at 01:34:02:

Hi Interested,

Look at my response to Walt.


This site could also be interesting:

http://www.mail-order-prescription-drugs-pharmacies.com/

Serge


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Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by
Serge C. on March 14, 2002 at 22:37:44:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 2002 at 10:35:52:

Walt,

What exactly does mean "USP"?

Could you check there for me if it seams to be the right product: #1435910

http://www.pharm-international.com/nystatin.html

Based on the dosage of 750 000 units, 4 x a day, that #1435910 supply would last less than a week. It would cost me 37.95$ (that is about 60$ Can.) every week, plus shipping cost.

How long is it normally needed to clean candida? I heard of several months! It will cost me a fortune!


Don't you think that the dose should be adjusted to the person's weight? I weight only 132 lb.

Does the needed dose and treatment time depend also on how strict the diet is? If necessary I will eat ONLY meat and H-G vegetables during the whole treatment (no grain, no dairy, no starchy vegetable, no fruits and even no nuts). I am used to it, I have been on that diet 90% of the time in the last year.

Could combining nystatine with natural anti-fungals be more effective or economical?

Thanks

Serge



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 2002 at 11:47:33:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Serge C. on March 14, 2002 at 22:37:44:

Hi, Serge.

You will have to excuse my computer illiteracy. I have no idea how to go to #1435910.

Nystatin is never adjusted to weight since it is not absorbed. Infants take the same dose as adults.

You have hit on one of the main reasons I do not recommend treating the candida until the LGS is controlled.

Walt



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Serge C. on March 15, 2002 at 13:21:45:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 2002 at 11:47:33:

Thanks Walt,

The number #1435910 is not an address but the item number on the page. Go to the address just below

http://www.pharm-international.com/nystatin.html.

Sorry if it was not clear.

It doesn't seam to be the best deal. I would need to find a place where I could buy a bigger jar.

Even if it is not absorbed, I figure that the goal is to get a given concentration in the gut. Are you telling me that a 60 lb child has the same gut volume has a 200 lb big guy!

What do you mean by: "You have hit on one of the main reasons I do not recommend treating the candida until the LGS is controlled" Are you talking about the cost?

I think I have already made a good progress on my general health condition and my gut is certainly in much better condition than 2 years ago. But honestly, how can you efficiently heal your gut while the candida has roots through it?

This candida (if it is really candida) seems to be very well hooked. Actually, I think I have been infested a long time ago. I understand the importance of LGS, but we have also to consider the other contributing factors. When I was a teen, I have been eating huge amounts of sugar and around 18 I have been twice on tetracycline for acne and I was putting anti-biotic cream on my face. At about 20, they put me 4 months on antibiotics for a presumed prostatitis.

I want to speed-up my recovery now. I don't want to be another 3 years living a monk's life. I am fed-up.

At the very least, it should be much more quicker now to get rid of candida than when I started this whole story, especially if I put much effort on SR, take glutamine and high quality probiotics at the same time.

What do you think?

Thanks

Serge



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 16, 2002 at 11:07:54:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Serge C. on March 15, 2002 at 13:21:45:

Hi, Serge.

Pretty much the infant has about the same area of gut surface as the #200 guy.

Can you make me a blue link for that address? It does not seem to go anywhere for me.

Partly the cost but mostly because most come back even if treatment is successful.

Obviously you cannot be perfect if the candida is still clinging in a very unfriendly (for the candida) environment. However, what other choice do you have?

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Serge C. on March 17, 2002 at 12:45:36:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 16, 2002 at 11:07:54:

Walt,

The problem was caused by the . at the end.

Try:

http://www.pharm-international.com/nystatin.html

I don't understand your last paragraph. I believed that my candida has never been and is still not under control. On SR only, without anti-fungals, it will probably take years to get rid of it. What's the matter by wanting to accelerate the process? Have you never prescribed nystatin in the past?

Serge




Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 18, 2002 at 09:48:27:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) posted by Serge C. on March 17, 2002 at 12:45:36:

Hi, Serge.

I used Nystatin for every case of candida I found for 10 years until I began to notice that most recurred within a year. In the beginning I just did what most of the other clinicians in the world were doing.

Once I began to see the short-comings of these pioneers AND, coincidentally, LGS began to be better known, I began to recognize the importance of treating the LGS first.

As a consequence, we were able to GREATLY shorten the treatment (from an average of 2 years to an average of 3-6 months) AND bring the relapses and recurrences almost to zero (from an average of 95%). Which would YOU prefer?

IF expense is no object (something few of the rest of us have as a privilege) why not use Nystatin from the beginning?

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Posted by Serge C. on March 18, 2002 at 13:16:52:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. posted by Walt Stoll on March 18, 2002 at 09:48:27:

Thanks Walt,

Just a comment: Personnaly I don't beleive that any H-G of my kind will ever be able to get rid of candida if he doesn't stop to eat the usual amount of carbohydrates and without practically eliminating grains (whole or not) and cafeine. I think that any amount of SR would have never been enough to cancel the stress my previous diet was putting on my body. I would be curious to know what everybody think about it.

Once again, I understand the importance of LGS and why we need to deal with it right at the beginning. But I am not sure to understand your point.

You said that, by treating LGS, you were able to greatly shorten the treatment of candida. Correct. But are you saying now that anti-fungals are not necessary anymore and that they are a waste of money?

I have already done SR twice a day for more than a year now and another 6 months once a day and I am not satisfied with the results. Personnally, I am not convinced anymore that it is the best way for me to relief my stress effect. I think I need to do strenuous exercise, but I can't now because I am affraid to damage my joints which are still inflammed sometimes. (swimming is not convenient and I am not a good swimmer)

I need to break the vicious cycle somewhere. If I feel quickly better, I will be able to do exercise, I will be more performant in my job, I will work less hours and that will let me more time to read, to learn and to do my SR.

I can't say that money is no object. I can't afford to spend a fortune, but honestly, with the interest rates we have presently, I would be ready to fill-up my credit margin by a few thousand dollars if I would be sure that I am taking the right decision and that it would make me feel PERFECTLY well. (even if it was temporary) Sometimes we don't mind to spend huge amount of money when our car breaks and we find it almost normal.

Thanks

Serge C.



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 19, 2002 at 10:40:33:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. posted by Serge C. on March 18, 2002 at 13:16:52:

Thanks, Serge.

One question: How did you test your SR to be sure that you were reaching the "relaxion response"?

A couple of comments: Anti-fungals (MY experience has been with prescription medications) are frequently necessary once the LGS has been dealt with. It is just that treatment then is greatly shortened.

Perhaps you are SO resistant to change that the techniques presently known are not enough to turn you around. Humans are not machines, so nothing works for everyone, but you would be the first one I have known or heard of who could not accomplish this.

I agree that exercise is likely essential for you. Remember that the three legs of the wellness stool are multiplicative in their interaction. SO, your exercise progrem will work much better if you combine it with your SR. Underwater exercise programs are now available in every community with an indoor pool. You do not even have to know HOW to swim to take advantage of them.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Posted by
Serge C. on March 22, 2002 at 12:44:06:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. posted by Walt Stoll on March 19, 2002 at 10:40:33:

Thanks Walt,

How do you know that the LGS condition is resolved while the candida problem is still there? Does it need the lactulose/manitol test for intestinal permeability?

As a H-G, it is hard for me to make the difference between a reaction directly associated to a given food or a reaction from candida toxins because it is fed by the food in question. Almost all the foods I am sensitive to are carbohydrates, then could also feed candida.

Serge




Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 2002 at 08:28:19:

In Reply to: Re: Prescription anti-fungals (Archive in candida.) A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. posted by Serge C. on March 22, 2002 at 12:44:06:

Hi, Serge C.

Humans are still not machines so nothing is 100%. However, what I aim for is as close to 100% as it is reasonable to get.

The lactulose/mannitol test would be a pretty good indication. You might also ask GSDL for any more accurate and more recent tests for LGS.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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