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Candida came back

Posted by Jeannie on March 19, 2002 at 01:30:24:

A year ago my body suffered bouts of C-RS. I thought I eliminated it (at least the surface indications of it). Anyway, I was doing just fine until a couple of months ago I started getting the sugar cravings, which I satisfied with up to 6 fruits a day. The chlorine from the tap water I have been drinking may also have contributed to the candida overgrowth. Anyway, I am suffering from bloating and indigestion. I don't know why the sudden relapse other than this -- have been fairly good about diet, exercise, sr, and efa/vitamins. Could the fruit really trigger such a reaction? I just started taking digestive enzymes and am also taking some yeast-killing pills. So far it is not really helping. But I suppose I should give it some time.

The reason I am writing is because I want to know how I can kill this damn candida. Is that even possible? I visited a website where the doctor says that the candida can develop resistance. That really scares me. If it is going to develop resistance, does that mean that the only defense I'll have against them is to starve them of sugars for the rest of my life?

Also, the website said that Acidophilus taken orally cannot even survive the highly acidic and alkaline parts of the intestines/stomach. Good heavens, that was depressing.

I am just a little confused as to who to believe, and am so tired of being a guinea pig to all these contesting theories.

If there is anyone who can help in offering practical advice, that would be so much appreciated. Also, when I am done with the course of anti-yeast medicine, I'd like to start Primal Defense. It's $50 a bottle, which a poor college student like me is not practically affordable. I can hardly scrape enough money together to buy myself food, clothing, and an apartment. Is there something cheaper but as effective? Thanks.




Re: Candida came back

Posted by same boat on March 19, 2002 at 06:37:07:

In Reply to: Candida came back posted by Jeannie on March 19, 2002 at 01:30:24:

Hi Jeannie,
I had the same problem. Dr. Stoll asked me if I was doing my SR. And I wasnt. I started on the anti-fungals again,
and it seems to have gotten better again. I take flora source for the pro-biotic. Its cheaper than Primal Defence.
You can take less too. You have to take alot of Primal Defence. You might want to look at your whole picture again and see what you are doing and not doing.
Did you think you had LGS, did you deal with that?
Hope this helps



Re: Candida came back

Posted by S.H.A.P.E. on March 19, 2002 at 07:55:06:

In Reply to: Candida came back posted by Jeannie on March 19, 2002 at 01:30:24:

Hi Jeannie - You never do completely kill the candida - the two of you just need to learn to live in the same body in harmony! All you can do is get the candida "Under Control". Sugar, junk food and anything other than pure water to drink is not good for anyones system so you can look at it as the candida is just - keeping you on a healthy diet. I know you won't like this suggestion but I use raw garlic (2 cloves per day) and 2 to 4 garlic pills everyday to keep my candida under control - it's a constent battle between good and evil once you acqiire it.



Re: Candida came back

Posted by Same Here on March 19, 2002 at 10:56:41:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back posted by same boat on March 19, 2002 at 06:37:07:

Mine came back,too, but I wasn't doing the SR like I should have been doing. Today I'm going to Barnes and Noble to try to get that CD someone below mentioned.

I also should have retested my urine before starting my PD, I think. I'm asking Helping about that. Also, when I went off my antifungals, into my PD phase, I did so at Christmastime-lots of sugar stuff around-probably the worst time! LOL! Mind you, this was after four rotations. Also, from what I understand there are other buggers that can cause the symptoms (bacteria in the lower intestine?). I'm now taking a couple of different antifungals. That SF722 really worked for me, and fortunately, it still does. I was also taking MSM and l-glutamine and psyllium twice a day for fiber.

This time, I'm getting serious about SR.
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure my brother-in-law had a leaky gut. He was told by his chiro to stop taking sugar and dairy and alcohol. He did and now he can eat anything he says and he's fine. I have noticed he has changed his life patterns, though. He doesn't drink beer anymore, for example, or a lot of sugar. His weight's stayed off, though, and he feels great he says. He has more energy than I do right now LOL! I look at him and feel hope :-), I mean, the guy used to have severe headaches and blacked out a couple of times.


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Re: Candida came back

Posted by kt on March 19, 2002 at 11:10:30:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back posted by S.H.A.P.E. on March 19, 2002 at 07:55:06:

Hi Jeannie,
SHAPE is right, you never eradicate it, you just manage it. What works for me is garlic oil capsules 3X daily (they're cheap, too - only 2 cents each); Pau D'Arco tea twice a day; NO sugar, sweeteners or flour (Ezekiel bread instead); NO alcohol of course. I still eat fruit and dairy - lots of yogurt.
Good luck! You'll find what works for you - don't give up.
kt

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Re: Candida came back

Posted by Terri-Lynn on March 19, 2002 at 13:17:25:

In Reply to: Candida came back posted by Jeannie on March 19, 2002 at 01:30:24:

I'm not a doctor but an intuitive healer; I love the comment S.H.A.P.E. made, it is how i look at it!
For you 6 fruits a day is probably one of the problems, it was way to many per day. If your going to try fruit then try mainly the berry family and only small amounts and see how you do. When a person first starts adding fruit we recommend starting off with eating red or black cherries [frozen] or fresh and drinking some pomegrante juice mixed with water, neither of these fruits are very sweet. If the body does not have any reaction to those then adding other fruits like apples, pears or peaches ect. ; A person wants to take it easy on the fruit for awhile;
I was off for 2 years completely, this was before they have all the good products they have now to help get it under control.
I use now Saccharomyces boulard Probiotic yeast from Allergy Research: three billion active cells with each meal with my clients; [have the price of the one you mentioned]
Usually a person needs some other suppliments and that is found out intuitively; Garlic is a help and a good acidophilus and usually some kind of Omega oil.

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What if garlic stops working?

Posted by Jeannie on March 19, 2002 at 13:27:42:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back posted by S.H.A.P.E. on March 19, 2002 at 07:55:06:

Hi S.H.A.P.E.,

But what if they develop a resistance against the garlic? Or what if you develop some food allergy? I don't rotate foods or anti-fungals, but I know some people are really adamant about doing that.

But I think you may be right about living in harmony with the candida (though I get really upset when I think about the power they yield over me, making me revolve my whole life around them and keeping them in check). I like how you see them as "helpers" rather than "pests" -- they are there to make you live a healthier life. That is more optimistic, isn't it?

So, does this mean that henceforth, I will never be able to have another icecream or another cookie? Because I know that once I allow one sweet, I let down my guard and before you know it, I am eating just like all the others do. Maybe the key is to make your own cookies with stevia? I don't know.

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Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 20, 2002 at 07:30:16:

In Reply to: Candida came back posted by Jeannie on March 19, 2002 at 01:30:24:

Hi, Jeannie.

Listen to same boat and Same Here.

This is why I harp on dealing with the LGS, which one HAS to have in order to become susceptable to C-RS, at least while treating the candida--so, by the time the candida is gone that your normal bodymind resistance is ready to keep you healthy.

A significant portion of people with C-RS can get over it, as you did, without dealing with the LGS. BUT, the problem almost always comes back after a while IF the LGS is not at least better by that time.

I wish it were otherwise. However, as my dad always used to remind me: "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride!"

Walt



Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.)

Posted by DJ on March 20, 2002 at 10:41:26:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 20, 2002 at 07:30:16:

Dr. Stoll-

Hi! I've read many posts (such as this one that I'm replying to) about how LGS has to be dealt with in order to have Candida completely under control. I'm a little confused. If you do the Perfect Foods Diet (as well as SR, exercise, and the appropriate supplements) and are successful at eliminating Candida -- if you continue with basically the same routine as part of a healthy lifestyle, isn't that "dealing with the LGS?" What more can a person do to deal with the LGS?

Thanks-
DJ




Probiotics must be continued, I think.

Posted by Trish on March 20, 2002 at 11:17:57:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.) posted by DJ on March 20, 2002 at 10:41:26:

It's my understanding (someone please correct me) that once one's system is in balance, one must continue taking Primal Defense-sort of like a maintenance program. Evidently (?)in this industrial age, probiotics are now lacking in our diet. We used to get them naturally from plants but no longer. If we don't continue giving them to our body we will develop an imbalance again. This is the root of the problem. Well, that, and all the stress we now have to deal with.

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Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 21, 2002 at 09:07:29:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.) posted by DJ on March 20, 2002 at 10:41:26:

Hi, DJ.

One must reset the homeodynamics of the organism at a healthy level instead of a "sick" level.

I cannot answer your question without knowing EXACTLY how you did the wellness and how long you did each part, as well as what you are still doing.

Most people should be able to stop at least some of the effort once they are reset. Rmemeber that ONCE you were normal and you still got the problem. That means that you likely have a genetic predisposition to this problem so that it will tend to recur without SOME attention in most cases.

There ARE worse genetic susceptibilities: generalized eczema, brain chemistry instability, arthritis, cancer, etc.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.)

Posted by DJ on March 21, 2002 at 10:13:15:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 21, 2002 at 09:07:29:

Dr. Stoll-

Hi! It wasn't me who submitted the original post about the Candida coming back; I was just "chiming in" out of curiousity. I myself just started the "wellness program" to get rid of Candida (about 3 weeks into it now), and was curious what plan you follow after the Candida is gone in order to make sure it doesn't happen again. I just assumed that you stayed on relatively the same wellness plan (whole foods diet, sr, supplements, exercise) for the rest of your life to avoid reoccurances.

Thank you-
DJ



Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 2002 at 10:19:01:

In Reply to: Re: Candida came back (Archive in candida.) posted by DJ on March 21, 2002 at 10:13:15:

Well, DJ.

That is certainly the safest course but most people do not have to be so strict after a year or so.

Most people are so hooked on how it feels to be healthy that they thank their lucky stars that the candida forced them to learn about wellness.

Namaste`

Walt

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