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QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 18:24:55:

I am aware that constant stress and anxiety keeps the body in fight or flight, creates bracing and causes leaky gut. Supose a person gets some counseling and makes some changes so that the constant anxiety is gone. Then suppose this person could really have a few very relaxed days, deciding to refuse any worry or stress. A kind of vacation. Maybe even stay at a spa and get pampered for a few days. Couldn't you conceivable stop the process of fight or flight, that robs our bodies of being able to effectively replace the stomach lining? And if the lining of the gut replaces itself every 14 hours, why isn't it possible to just have it repair itself over night? Am I missing something here? I realize you would then have to maintain a kind of calm personality, and practice SR to counter any stress, but why must it take 6 months to a year to heal the gut? It seems to me that every 14 hours we have a new chance. Thanks for your thoughts.



Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Barb on March 22, 2002 at 18:37:50:

In Reply to: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 18:24:55:

Are you also doing the supplements with all the SR? I think you need both.

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I'll take a stab at it...

Posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 19:49:59:

In Reply to: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 18:24:55:

I think it's because you just can't get rid of ACCUMULATED stress overnight. Even though your gut might replace itself every 14 hours, your hypothalamus does not, and that's where the stress is coming from. All the FOF patterns are strongly in place by the time you get LGS, and it takes a long time of SR to slowly "pay down" the debt you have built up in stress.

I'm sure HY and others will be able to expound on the technical aspects of this mechanism, but that's my simple take on it.

~~~8>

p.s. As far as Barb's comment on the supplements - I got my LGS under control with only basic vitamins plus SR, whole foods and exercise. It took me about 9 months of being totally strict.




Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Helping You on March 22, 2002 at 19:55:46:

In Reply to: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 18:24:55:

Lifestyle changes and stress control can certainly stop any further worsening of your bracing but it will not resolve the many years of stored stress in the hypothalamus. It's the stored stress that keeps us in the fight or flight response EVEN WHEN TRYING TO BE CALM AND RELAXED. So, simply "relaxing" or trying to "calm" is not good enough. The SR will undo the stored stress in a minimum of 6 months. Once you have released your stored stress, your proposed strategy will keep you from bracing in the future.

There are nutritional steps that can speed up the healing of the gut but keep in mind that these are only short-term solutions. I will summarize:

1. Whole foods diet with properly prepared foods
2. Whole food supplements to fill in the gaps. Primal Defense and L-glutamine are the most helpful for this. SeaCure is another. This, combined with SR and lifestyle changes often gives the best results. I hope this helps

-HY



Re: I'll take a stab at it...

Posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 20:03:51:

In Reply to: I'll take a stab at it... posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 19:49:59:

Hi - thanks for your response. What is FOF?



Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 20:08:06:

In Reply to: Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Helping You on March 22, 2002 at 19:55:46:

Hi HY - thanks for your response - one question. What exactly does it mean that stress is stored in the hypothalmus? Are there actual stress created chemicals that go into that gland and stay there? So you are saying that you may feel calm and peaceful but your body could still be in fight or flight mode because of this stuff stored in your hypothalumus? Is there no quicker way to remove the stuff?



FOF = Fight Or Flight! nmi

Posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 20:15:26:

In Reply to: Re: I'll take a stab at it... posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 20:03:51:

nmi = no message inside

~~~8>



Don't forget -- avoid allergens (foods) too! nmi

Posted by Universal reactor on March 22, 2002 at 21:31:44:

In Reply to: FOF = Fight Or Flight! nmi posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 20:15:26:


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Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Vince F on March 22, 2002 at 22:00:27:

In Reply to: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 18:24:55:

I think if you have an obvious source of stress that finding
a way to deal with it could make it vanish and maybe
changing some things in ones life helped me a Lot. My
curiosity about meditation took me to look into Zen which
had some interesting exercises that I proacticed at a marsh
at a wildlife preserve where I liked to go to relax after
work in the summer time to escape the city stresses which I
grew up not knowing. Finding a way to overcome a fear of
dogs that started just when I stoped going to the country
as a kid and then geting a breed that I found that I loved
when I got over the fear helped a lot even though they are a
Lot of work. I have gotten into a few things that are a LOT
of work but I really wanted to do them and it took a lot to
make me jump in and get involved.

I just met someone who wants to take classes for
meditating to try to help their anger management and in
talking about dogs they said that they want to get an Akita
but won't because they don't want to deal with all the hair
when they shed so are going to get one that will be easier.
I don't think they will be happy since they will always
want an Akita. I have Afghans since when I got over my fears
they were the Only breed that I wanted. I love All dogs but
nothing else would have made me happy and though I am
disabled and mine are usually matted they are what I want
and I Won't shave them down to make grooming easier since
their foot long hair is what is a big part of the
attraction. They are not easy to deal with with their
extreme coats and personalities but they are Af's and if I
squint I don't see the mats and when they are sleeping I
can deal with the craziness but I Have what I want and don't
wish I had something different to avoid the work so don't
have that issue rattling around in my head and I found that
I Need a male and female because the diiferent sexes have
different traits that I miss when I don't have them around.
The males like to wrestle and the females like a gemtler
touch.

VF



Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by R. on March 22, 2002 at 22:01:28:

In Reply to: Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 20:08:06:

First of all, be sure to read Dr. Stoll's article on stress - http://askwaltstollmd.com/stress.html.
Then go to www.vrp.com and search for neuroendocrine there (use its library search feature) and you will get back a list of articles several of which comprise a series on Neuroendocrine Theory of Aging. I believe you will get an answer to both of your questions. But briefly, as I understand it (somebody, correct me if I am wrong), stored stress is a decreased sensitivity to some hormones. Hypothalamus governs the autonomic nervous system, and if it doesn't respond to stress hormones released by the adrenal glands, the adrenals continue producing them until hypothalamus "notices" them and makes some adjustments. This process is analogous to cell insensitivity to insulin. Have you heard of insulin resistance? If not, read Insulin and Its Metabolic Effects. So what happens, now that hypothalamus is not as sensitive as it used to be, is that events that are more or less "normal" cause adrenals to pump lots of cortisol and probably other hormones into the blood. Since these "normal" event occur all the time, adrenals now work overtime and get exhausted. As you will learn from the articles on Neuroendocrine Theory of Aging, there are things (herbs and isolated compounds) that restore hypothalamus' sensitivity, just like there are things that do the same for cells' sensitivity to insulin. Hence, stored stress is "released", and your hormonal system gets back to normal.



To summarize

Posted by R. on March 22, 2002 at 22:54:12:

In Reply to: Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by R. on March 22, 2002 at 22:01:28:

I think the following (used together) should give best and fastest results:
- hypothalamus resensitizers;
- adrenal restorers;
- LGS specific supplements;
- SR.



And whole foods! nmi

Posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 23:01:01:

In Reply to: To summarize posted by R. on March 22, 2002 at 22:54:12:

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to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it...

Posted by Barb on March 22, 2002 at 23:47:13:

In Reply to: I'll take a stab at it... posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 19:49:59:

How did you know when it was under control. What symtoms were you displaying? Did you take anything like permavite, L-glutamine, or probiotics with your basics?



Re: To summarize(To R)

Posted by Dee on March 23, 2002 at 08:42:02:

In Reply to: To summarize posted by R. on March 22, 2002 at 22:54:12:

What are hypopthalamus resensitisers? And does Dhea help adrenals?



Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 2002 at 09:50:38:

In Reply to: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Wondering on March 22, 2002 at 18:24:55:

Hi, Wondering.

You need to review the article on the home page about stress.

You are still thinking of stress as psychosocial when this type of stress is less than 10% of what it is all about.

Next, you need to see stress-effect storage as EXACTLY that: storage. That accumulation cannot be discharged totally within less than a year of routine SR. Even partial discharge will allow the bodymind to function a lot differently but total discharge takes longer since we are all storing at least 382,000 new stresses each day.

Hope this helps. If this does not produce the "click" of understanding in your questions, please let us know. It is hard to teach at such a distance.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 2002 at 09:52:13:

In Reply to: Re: QUESTION FOR DR. STOLL, HY, and anyone who knows - can LGS heal more quickly? posted by Vince F on March 22, 2002 at 22:00:27:

Thanks, Vince!

I love the way you love your dogs!

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it...

Posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 14:33:38:

In Reply to: to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it... posted by Barb on March 22, 2002 at 23:47:13:

I'd had an Indican test to check for LGS to begin with...not sure how accurate people here feel that test is, but it proved to my doctor that it wasn't a histamine problem, so I went with it.

I knew it was under control because I started to feel better - I had a lot more energy, my skin felt great, my mind was at peace, my hives went away and rosacea was nearly gone. I had a test to check on the candida (blood test from Antibody Assays Labs) and it was back to normal levels, we never did check the LGS to see if it was gone, because, what for, if I'm feeling so well?! Of course, it happened slowly - a little at a time.

Original symptoms were Chronic Fatigue, weight gain, some arthritis/fibro type symptoms, CRS, hives, rosacea and generally feeling like death warmed over.

As far as supplements, I only took vit. E, Ester-C, calcium hydroxyapatite, cod liver oil, an EFA Blend...I did take Nystatin for a few months for the candida. I religiously practiced SR twice a day for at least 20 minutes, usually 1/2 hour each session.

I believe that treating the LGS and candida at the same time is the best way to approach that "dynamic duo" of a problem.
~~~8>





I forgot to mention I also take a B-100 Complex . nmi

Posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 14:36:01:

In Reply to: Re: to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it... posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 14:33:38:

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Re: to labrat - , then I still have LGS

Posted by Barb on March 23, 2002 at 15:13:51:

In Reply to: Re: to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it... posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 14:33:38:

The one thing I havent been good at, is the SR. I still have most of the symtoms you described. I was getting much better and rosacea was disappearing. THEN stress hit again,
and rosacea is back, plus symtoms you mentioned. I'm getting a new SR tape. And I am going to order the stress reduction workbook. Kmd gave me lots of info to look at on the net.
Thanks



Re: To summarize(To R)

Posted by R. on March 23, 2002 at 19:08:38:

In Reply to: Re: To summarize(To R) posted by Dee on March 23, 2002 at 08:42:02:

Dee, you'd need to read my previous post and articles mentioned in it.



Re: to labrat - , then I still have LGS

Posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 20:27:39:

In Reply to: Re: to labrat - , then I still have LGS posted by Barb on March 23, 2002 at 15:13:51:

Yep, Barb, I have found that just as Walt says, if you do all three "legs" of the wellness stool, it works REALLY GREAT compared to doing any one or even two of them.

I have relapsed myself pretty badly the first time and not so bad more recently. I just re-doubled my efforts as of the first of the year. My SR is still not up to snuff, but I am a work in progress again. Or is that "still"?

Hang in there. Eventually it will just be your way of life. That's what I'm striving for.

~~~8>



Re: to labrat - , then I still have LGS -2 down 1 to go.....

Posted by Barb to Labrat on March 23, 2002 at 22:19:41:

In Reply to: Re: to labrat - , then I still have LGS posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 20:27:39:

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm feeling really discouraged. Its been a year and I have been working on the Candida and LGS with a STRICT diet and expensive supplements. Here I slacked on the most important part, I know I'm sounding pretty hard on myself. 2 down and 1 to go.
Thanks



2 out of 3 ain't bad...

Posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 23:57:14:

In Reply to: Re: to labrat - , then I still have LGS -2 down 1 to go..... posted by Barb to Labrat on March 23, 2002 at 22:19:41:

Well, it took however old you are to get where you are, so it's gonna take some time to get over it! :-)

I don't think any part is necessarily more important than the other - also you can look at it this way: You only have ONE thing to add now!

Keep us posted.

~~~8>

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Re: to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it... (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 24, 2002 at 09:26:19:

In Reply to: Re: to labrat - Re: I'll take a stab at it... posted by labrat on March 23, 2002 at 14:33:38:

Thanks, labrat.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: To summarize(To R)

Posted by Dee on March 26, 2002 at 18:33:33:

In Reply to: Re: To summarize(To R) posted by R. on March 23, 2002 at 19:08:38:

Where is it



It's in the first post by R. in this thread. nmi

Posted by labrat on March 26, 2002 at 22:39:43:

In Reply to: Re: To summarize(To R) posted by Dee on March 26, 2002 at 18:33:33:

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Re: It's in the first post by R. in this thread. nmi

Posted by Dee on March 27, 2002 at 08:26:58:

In Reply to: It's in the first post by R. in this thread. nmi posted by labrat on March 26, 2002 at 22:39:43:

It does not state the supplements to take though.



Yes, it does

Posted by R. on March 27, 2002 at 13:41:22:

In Reply to: Re: It's in the first post by R. in this thread. nmi posted by Dee on March 27, 2002 at 08:26:58:

but you will have to read the articles referred to in my post, as I have said before. I didn't expect this to be this difficult.

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And avoiding allergens!

Posted by Addender nmi on March 27, 2002 at 18:46:25:

In Reply to: And whole foods! nmi posted by labrat on March 22, 2002 at 23:01:01:


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