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5 month old baby - severe eczema

Posted by Barbara on March 29, 2002 at 09:28:19:

Hi Dr. Stoll

I have a friend with a 5 month old baby. He has SEVERE eczema - he has severe redness and open wounds on his face - cheeks and chin and inside hte elbows and on his ankles and cradle cap on his head. He has what looks like dry skin which eventually lacerates. Of coarse doctors cnat help too much. THe baby looks like he is infected - on his face the lacerations are oozing what looks somewhat green. He is a breast fed baby - by a single parent that is stressed out. She only breast feeds him - and she has eliminated all allergins from her diet _ wheat and eggs and soy and on and on. She eats chicken and some veggies and beef and turkey and some rice and potatos. The baby also has nasal congestion. SHe has used polysporin on the lacerations and has some good response - but it does not heal. THe doctor gave her bactroban but she is afraid to use it. WOuld you take this baby off of breast milk? WOUld you feed him food? He seems sooo hungry? If yes what foods? What causes this eczema - what would you do to treat it? WHat kind of doctor would you take this baby to?

Thank you

Barbara



Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Walt?)

Posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 13:02:42:

In Reply to: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Barbara on March 29, 2002 at 09:28:19:

Hi Barbara, has the mother eliminated dairy? Has she tried giving the baby probiotics? Do you think this might be some form of contact dermatitis from irritating laundry detergents, fabric softeners? Pets in the house?



Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Walt?) - one other thing

Posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 13:04:46:

In Reply to: Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Walt?) posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 13:02:42:

What does she use to wash him?

I'm feeling the need to take a good look at environmental factors in the home, crib, daycare, etc.

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Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema

Posted by Carol on March 29, 2002 at 14:26:59:

In Reply to: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Barbara on March 29, 2002 at 09:28:19:

This mother is to be commended for breastfeeding her baby. Yes, he will seem so hungry, that is normal. And after nursing him for five months, she should have plenty of milk to satisfy him. The baby is getting lots of good things in mother's milk that will help him resist infections, and grow a strong body and brain.

I breastfed both of my children. They always nursed alot in the evenings, it seemed like they were "tanking up" before sleeping all night. And first thing in the morning, they were very hungry again.

When my first child was six months old, I started him on rice cereal, and also continued nursing him. He developed a rash on his face, and behind his ears. I was also giving him other baby cereals and strained fruits and vegetables.

When my second child was six months old, I started him on baby cereals, like I did with the first. He started getting a rash on his face. So I stopped giving him solids and waited another month before trying again. This time I stuck with rice cereal, and had fewer problems with the rash.

I know you are concerned about your friend's baby, but she seems to be doing a good job of taking care of him. Please don't make her feel inadequate by telling her to start solid foods too early. She is taking him to either her family doctor or a pediatrician, so the doctor has seen the baby's rash. Why is she afraid to try the Bactroban?

La Leche League has an excellant book for nursing mothers, with lots of time-tested advice. I highly recommend it, it will answer alot of her questions. You can find them in the phone book.

Both of my babies were small compared with the growth charts in the doctor's office. But my husband and I were both small as children, so we figured that was genetic. They had very few ear infections.

When I was a baby in the l950's, my mother nursed me until I was six weeks old. The doctor told her to switch me to formula. "Give this baby something to eat. She is so small and has diarrhea." Well, the doctor didn't realize that breast fed babies have a very soft bowel movement, as the milk curds are so fine and digest so well. And it doesn't even smell bad, just kind of "cheesy." As soon as you start them on other food, it changes -- peeuw!

Perhaps the baby needs vitamin drops; the doctor can advise the mother on this. Perhaps the MOTHER needs vitamins? If the baby is gaining weight normally, he is probably getting enough nutrition in her milk. Be supportive of your friend. It is hard enough to rear a child with two parents, and so much more difficult without help.




Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Walt?)

Posted by Terri-Lynn on March 29, 2002 at 19:23:52:

In Reply to: Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Walt?) posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 13:02:42:

I could not word it any better, Mother off Dairy is a good idea and she might try a gluten-free diet for six weeks,then add gluten containing foods back to the diet one at a time, and see if any changes happen with baby;
Fabric softners off all and she might try Liquid All- Free laundry detergent.

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Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema

Posted by
Cheezi on March 29, 2002 at 23:19:51:

In Reply to: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Barbara on March 29, 2002 at 09:28:19:

Barbara, your friend's little one sounds a lot like one of my daycare children when I first got him last year. His entire head, face, neck and part of his upper torso and legs were affected. He'd scratch himself bloody trying to get relief. E-mail me directly; this little guy is doing fine now. Hardly any signs that the Eczema ever existed.



Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema

Posted by MAI on March 30, 2002 at 00:01:40:

In Reply to: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Barbara on March 29, 2002 at 09:28:19:

Altough this may not be the case as it is NOW very rare, it still happens, I will first make sure it is NOT ACRODYNIA also known as Pink Disease (acrodynia, erythroedema, erythromelalgia)!

Acrodynia (acro- Latin for: tip / peak, -dynia Greek for pain) even named Pink Disease.

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yfCLO95a.html

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yfvon90a.html

http://www.users.bigpond.com/difarnsworth/pink-c.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001566.htm

In August 1989, a previously healthy 4-year-old boy in Michigan was diagnosed with acrodynia.

Symptoms and signs included leg cramps; rash; itching; excessive perspiration; rapid heartbeat; intermittent low-grade fevers; irritability; marked personality change; insomnia; headaches; hypertension; swelling; redness and peeling of the hands, feet, and nose; weakness of the pectoral and pelvic girdles; and nerve dysfunction in the lower extremities.

An INJURY has virtually disappeared and poorly known to physicians, affecting infants and than young children, marked by marked by pink peeling skin and extreme pain at / in distal extremities, pink cold clammy hands and feet, and redness of the fingers, toes, cheeks, nose, and buttocks, heavy sweating, raised blood pressure, rapid pulse, photophobia, and insomnia, irritability stomatitis, loss of teeth, insomnia. Also called pink disease; erythredema.

http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic592.htm

http://www.users.bigpond.com/difarnsworth/merc-g.htm

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yfDAT65a.html


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Why not post what you did so we can all learn ?

Posted by Roy on March 30, 2002 at 02:12:24:

In Reply to: Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Cheezi on March 29, 2002 at 23:19:51:

Nothing is too controversial for THIS bb :~)



Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 2002 at 08:32:29:

In Reply to: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Barbara on March 29, 2002 at 09:28:19:

Hi, Barbara.

All the other responses are just what I would have said.

In addition I want to remind everyone that nearly every case of infant eczema also has C-RS.

Go to the eczema archives and then the candida archives. While learning you might teach her about probiotics.

Walt



Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema

Posted by IDiffer on March 30, 2002 at 15:58:06:

In Reply to: Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema posted by Carol on March 29, 2002 at 14:26:59:

WHen a mother is stressed out and in constant fear and anxiety and is malnourished herself - her milk may not be supplying what the baby needs. Also - all of those behaviors will secrete chemicals into the body of the mother - and if she has a lot of histamine for example - now the baby has a lot of histamine and not enough of what the milk should contain.

Thanks for your post - but there are other things to consider. Also - a baby should not be sooooo hungry. A big baby often needs to be fed.

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Dr, Srtoll - qestion please answer

Posted by Barbara on March 30, 2002 at 16:01:15:

In Reply to: Re: 5 month old baby - severe eczema (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 2002 at 08:32:29:

The doctors have recommended many things. One doctor wants to put Bactroban on the lesions etc. One doctor wants to miz kenalog with a regular skin cream and put it on the baby head to toe two times per day for one week. Would you do either of these things? Also how much acipophilus and would you start feeding baby and change to formula?



Re: Dr, Srtoll - question please answer

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 2002 at 09:06:25:

In Reply to: Dr, Srtoll - qestion please answer posted by Barbara on March 30, 2002 at 16:01:15:

Hi, BarbaraN.

While learning about candida, I would have the baby put on soy formual while the mother is totally eliminating dairy from HER diet.

The problem with what to use topically IS;

If the diagnosis is pure eczema the cortisone cream is the only thing needed while one is eliminating the causes. IF, however, the skin has become secondarily infected--on top of the eczema--the antibiotic cream needs to be added to the cortisone.

Only the doc on the scene can make that determination.

Infant dose of probiotics is the same as the adult dose!

Let us know how the little tyke does.

Can you imagine how uncomfortable the baby must be?

Walt

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Re: Why not post what you did so we can all learn ?

Posted by
Cheezi on March 31, 2002 at 23:32:35:

In Reply to: Why not post what you did so we can all learn ? posted by Roy on March 30, 2002 at 02:12:24:

I can only be very general in posting what we did for my daycare child's Eczema, Roy. When I posted earlier using the name of the supplement that helped him, some people on this board thought I was here to try to sell product, since I'm associated with the company who makes it. I don't want to appear to be pushing products. I'm here to learn from all of you. I can say that what we use is a complete nutritional supplement and nutrition has a lot to do with how the body deals with allergy and digestive problems. Strengthening the immune system is key. I'll share the name of the supplement if you want, but I don't think I should post it. E-mail me directly if you want it.

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