Leaky Gut Syndrome historical posts January 1998

Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 1998 at 11:07:43:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Vicki Ritschard on December 31, 1997 at 12:22:50:

Der Vicki,

To really get to the root (presently known) of this complex of symptoms, you need the information is several references. First, my book(link below) not only explains the basis of the causes we now know, it also lists the resources for finding professionals, learning much more about how to keep on the rapidly advancing "cutting edge" of progress in this area and the references below: "Nutrition & the Mind" by Gary Null, PhD and "Brain Allergies" by Dr Philpott.

Let us know what you learn & what happens.

Walt



Re: shoulder pain., only when using mouse!

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 1998 at 11:26:39:

In Reply to: shoulder pain., only when using mouse! posted by Eleanor Nelson on January 01, 1998 at 16:56:10:

Dear Eleanor,

There are certain muscles, tendons & fascia that are utilized for fine control of movement. All of the things you mentioned use fine control.

For this to be chronic (& apparently expanding) you have to have several of the common causes of this condition. Read the article on the face page of this 'site (link on this page) about fibromyositis.

Low intracellular magnesium along with functionally low pyridoxine (cofactor to the magnesium) is likely. Chronic, total-body muscle tension (bracing) is CERTAINLY present.

Getting a deep, total body, therapeutic massage 3 times a week for 2 weks would help so much that at least you would be convinced that I knew what I was talking aobut. It would probably last several months. Doing a series of 10 rolfing sessions would do the same thing & would last a year or so. Chiropractic benefits I would leave to Doc Dave since I know he can tell you better than I.

However, in the long run, doing something about the magnesium and the bracing (AND, perhaps the LGS associated with long term bracing) is the only thing that will keep it from coming back.

As you get well, please share your experiences with the BB so others with similar problems will see that there are options out there not being offered by the conventional medical monopoly.

Walt



Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Nancy on January 04, 1998 at 00:32:20:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Walt Stoll on November 21, 1997 at 11:13:21:

Please explain what Klebsiella is. Thanks.



aloe gel, l-glutamine

Posted by Nancy on January 04, 1998 at 00:54:02:

Dr. Walt
My naturopath has had me on aloe gel and l-gultamine for about 6 weeks for leaky gut. So far, my symptoms--diarrhea, bloating, difficulty emptying rectum, as well as symptoms from fibromyalgia (far too numerous to list) have not improved. For a few weeks, I was on para-pack and several other nutrients to replenish my body with the nutrients identified by a hair analysis test. I experienced a huge increase in energy from these supplements, but after a few weeks, developed acute diarrhea and had to go off them for awhile. My dr. insists that the aloe will heal my leaky gut, but I am getting very discouraged and depressed. I was fairly successful in eliminating excessive carbs from my diet while on the supplements, but have felf the sugar cravings return since going off the supplements. I just found your site and read about your book today, but since I am out of the aloe, I need to know whether or not I should get any more or wait. I plan to order 4 copies because I know so many people with FMS that need to read it as well. Thanks


Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 08:30:34:

Hopefully Beth will spot this question. We are trying to avoid yeast due to my wife's C-RS. Is there an easy formula for replacing yeast in bread machine recipes? We have tried using vit. c and baking soda with limited success.

thanks

Peter



Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by James Zintz on January 04, 1998 at 10:52:44:

In Reply to: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 08:30:34:

Peter,

Did you try sourdough?

Why not go with unleavened bread, such as chapati or tortillas? They are a more versatile form of bread anyway. You can roll things up in them, put things on top of them and toast it like a pizza, and they are good for feeding shy ducks on the pond. When they get stale, you can sail them like a frisbee over the aggressive ducks, out to the shy ones. :)

Jim




Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 14:54:48:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by James Zintz on January 04, 1998 at 10:52:44:

We have tried sour dough. We haven't made it ourselves yet. I guess that's another question for Beth.

Is sour dough bread on a Perfect Whole Food Diet modified for a person dealing with C-RS.

Thanks James.

Peter



anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Nancy on January 05, 1998 at 09:15:16:

Has anyone who reads this board been cured of LGS or does everyone who gets over it go on with their life and put it behind them? I would love to hear from some people who had it and have been healed by Dr. Stoll's (or any) methods. I've had IBS for 25 years, sinus problems for almost that long, Chronic fatique and fibromyalgia for several (diagnosed). My symptoms are too numerous to mention. I am seeing a naturopath who is treating me with aloe gel and l-glutamine for the leaky gut. After 2 months it's still not improved. I'm very frustrated because I've been to so many physicians and tried so many remedies to no avail. I'm broke and depressed about it. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:26:18:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Nancy on January 04, 1998 at 00:32:20:

Dear Nancy,

Klebsiella is a bacterium. As I recall, from medical school 40 years ago, there are several different strains of this organism--each of which has a predilection for a different part of the body (once it escapes from the GI tract. Back then, few people realized that it could cause problems right in the colon. Now, however, the incidence of LGS is so high the profession can no longer ignore it. Go to your library & ask the reference librarian to find it in "Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine". Look at the most recent edition.

It is a pretty weak pathogen that can only escape from control when a person has had LGS for a long enough time that the normal complex of normal bacteria in the gut has been totally discombubilated (dysbiosis of the gut). However, once it HAS escaped from that control, it can cause lots of problems.

There are specific antibiotics that can treat it. Unfortunately, those same antibiotics also kill even more of the normal bacteria so it easily returns. In the end, if it were me, I would do something to eliminate the LGS and THEN treat the Klebsiella.

Anyone with Klebsiella almost certainly has candida as well. Since most labs are incompetent to find most parasites, the lab that found the Kelbsiella probably missed the rest (candida included).

Walt



Re: aloe gel, l-glutamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:36:46:

In Reply to: aloe gel, l-glutamine posted by Nancy on January 04, 1998 at 00:54:02:

Dear Nancy,

Aloe Gel IS likely to help as is the glutamine. BOTH tend to help heal the leakyness of the stressed gut.

However, healing the LGS requires a comprehensive program in the majority of people. That is why I do not recommend just taking something since it is only the minority of people who will get significant results.

I think if is worth trying something like the aloe & the glutamine but it should have "worked" by now if it was going to do anything by itself.

I am glad to hear that you have ordered my book since it not only will get you going in the right direction but will provide the resources to learn the rest that applies to you.

The first thing I would suggest is for you to learn an effective skilled relaxation technique & practice it at least 20 minutes twice a day. That will do you more good in the long run than ANYTHING else. It will make anything else you do work better. Look on the homepage of this 'site & read about Skilled Relaxation to get started.

For the diet, I would not stress yourself about it till I had Beth Loiselle's book in hand. THEN, I would get real serious about it.

Walt





Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:49:21:

In Reply to: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 08:30:34:

Dear Peter,

Eliminating yeast from the diet is of VERY limited benefit in this condition. CERTAINLY not worth the effort for the vast majority of people. Perhaps I should put an article about this on the home page?

The yeast we are worried about is candida albicans. It is EVERYWHERE on this planet. NO ONE can avoid it! It is only our normal complement of bacteria in the healthy gut that protects any of us from its beginning to grow inside us. ALL the other yeasts have NOTHING to do with this one.

The ONLY connection is the very few people who are cross-sensitive to all yeast waste products. For those people, eliminating ALL yeasts MAY reduce symptoms. Even in these rare cases, eliminating yeasts from the diet does little if anything about actually curing the condition.

Since eliminating yeasts from the diet is pretty hard--and the benefits are rare and not related to cure--why even try it?

I think most clinicians know this. However, those who write books about it still recommend eliminating yeast. I am suspicious that is because, in the public mind, it makes some kind of "sense" to eliminate yeast if one is trying to resolve something related to a yeast. I think this simplistic thinking has long outlasted its usefulness if it ever had any.

In my clinical experience, of hundreds of cases of C-RS, I have yet to see anyone who felt better by eliminating all yeasts from the diet.

Thanks for the question, Peter!

Walt



Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:58:52:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by James Zintz on January 04, 1998 at 10:52:44:

Dear Jim,

Thanks for the suggestions. They are good ones even for those not trying to eliminate yeast. See my note today about the little value in THAT endeavor.

Walt



Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Peter Wray on January 05, 1998 at 10:59:04:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:49:21:

I may be stating the obvious here, but here goes. THERE ARE MANY KINDS OF YEASTS. Baker's yeast is not a concern and is different from candida albicans. So, eliminating common baker's yeast will have little or not significant impact on eliminating candida albicans. I think you told me this some months ago, but it has taken me this long to grasp the concept (if in fact I have grasped it).

Thanks

Peter



Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Robert P. McFerran on January 05, 1998 at 12:29:57:

In Reply to: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Nancy on January 05, 1998 at 09:15:16:

Nancy,

Yours is an OUTSTANDING question!

I can validate what you brought up in an earlier post -- that you can spend as much or more money on 'holistic' practicioners (including Naturopaths) as you can with allopathic docs.

The Allopaths don't have a clue while the holistic folks do -- but the truth is that the holistic folks don't have the answer for really sick folks like yourself -- yet.

They (we patients too) haven't put things together, but I'm hopeful that more will in the future. The truly unfortunate thing is how many herbalists, Naturopaths, homeopaths, Chiropractors, etc. overstate their capabilities to fix a certain malady while happily taking your money. It's rare that I find that one of these practicioners would suggest that you don't have to pay them until you are well.

The best thing that I can tell you is that folks that try the treatments from the above are less likely to be injured than if they were treated by their local allopath.

Please exempt all the doctors that contribute here on the board from the above comments. Dr. Stoll and Dr. Furgeson as you will see are quite unique. Neither would ever suggest that aloe and l-glutamine are all that are required to fix a leaky gut.

Bob


Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Vicki on January 05, 1998 at 13:31:19:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:49:21:

I had long wondered what could be the harm in eating yeast breads when the yeast they contain had to have been killed by the heat of the baking process. Most of the anti-candida diets I've seen are so restrictive there seems to be hardly anything left to eat (for the very reason you stated--yeast is in almost everything). I was delighted to read your sensible response to Peter's question.


Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 05, 1998 at 15:33:29:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:49:21:

Walt,

I wanted to share my observations in working with folks with SEVERE CRS (this includes myself).

ALL of them have been very sensitive to molds and also sensitive to ingested yeast products. In my case intra-dermal skin testing produced such a strong reaction to brewers yeast that I had to discontinue all testing that day. I asked the technician doing the testing and she suggested that if folks were sensitive to molds they were almost invariably very sensitive to yeasts.

We are definately seeing different things here. I am wondering why?

As far as replacements for yeast, I don't eat any grains on my whole foods diet and I really don't run into the need for yeast -- so it's no big deal to avoid.

Bob


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Dianne Cook on January 05, 1998 at 17:22:12:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Anu Sitchin on November 19, 1997 at 17:10:21:

Dear ANU from NYC: i'm new to the internet and stumbled upon your posting from November. Please write to me directly if you can. I also had all the tests and came up with K. Pneumoniae. Hoping you've had some help by this date. How long have you been suffering with this? Me: thirty-plus years. Whatta life. I'm 57 yo divorced Mom of 5 adult kids. All of them healthy. Lucky me. Feel awful most all the time. If this is disjointed, it's because my brain doesn't work. Maybe this sounds familiar? Looking for your answer. Dianne


Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 09:48:21:

In Reply to: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Nancy on January 05, 1998 at 09:15:16:

Dear Nancy,

As I think you know, the answer to this problem is KNOWLEDGE. Unfortunately, thinking is intolerably painful for most of us so the last thing most people want to hear is that they have to learn a lot & change what they learn.

I can say that, in my experience, ALL who took the responsibility to become an expert in the causes of their conditions (colitis being among the easiest to resolve) resolved then within a 6-12 month period.

The main reason I wrote my book the way I did was to stimulate people to realize that the information IS out there & hope that this "knowing" would stimulate them to use the resources in the back to speed them on their way to wellness.

The simple things I have recomended are just ways to get the individuals to see how simple it is to feel better. The solution ("cure") for any chronic problem will take investing as much time & effort as anyone going to college for a degree might expend.

All I am doing is opening a door, Whether people walk through it is beyond MY power. I am sure you have heard the story about the horse.

Thanks for bringing up this subject.

Walt



Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 10:01:27:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Robert P. McFerran on January 05, 1998 at 12:29:57:

Dear Bob,

Kudos to you, Kudos!

You have put the finger on why I continually say that the most important thing for ANYONE to do is accumulate knowledge. THEN, they will be more capable of judging any of us.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 10:15:48:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Vicki on January 05, 1998 at 13:31:19:

Dear Vicki,

Glad to hear someone is listening!

For those rare individuals that DO have a cross-sensitivity to ALL yeast waste products, even killed yeasts would cause the immune system to react (which is most of what causes the symptoms).

HOWEVER, those people are SO rare that is it a disservice for the profession to recommend it for everyone just to catch the less than 1 in a thousand it might help.

Walt



Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 10:41:51:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Robert McFerran on January 05, 1998 at 15:33:29:

Dear Bob,

ALL people with C-RS are sensitive to a lot of stuff. NO ONE recommends that they eliminate ALL of that stuff. There are more important things to do with the limited energy one with this problem has in the beginning.

Sensitivity to molds & yeasts is among the most common problems that people with any form of sensitivities have.

What I AM saying is that eliminating yeasts has little or nothing to do with resolving a C-RS problem---which is what has to be done to finally get the person to the place where their sensitivities start to disappear.

In the beginning, the trick is to find the thing that will give the most results with the least effort. Then, as people start to improve, add little things as they are able to tolerate them. Eliminating yeasts are far down the list for most people.

HOWEVER, as we BOTH know, one's bodymind is still the best indicator of what is the best thing for that person to do. The only trick is for them to do it right so, if it does not produce predicted results, we know that it was not the right thing--NOT that it just wasn't done right.

Walt



Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 10:50:11:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Dianne Cook on January 05, 1998 at 17:22:12:

Dear Dianne,

I just responded yesterday to a note about Kebsiella that I think might help you. The problem is NOT the Klebsiella but WHY one could become susceptible to it when it is everywhere. Why don't we ALL have it????

Walt



Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Nancy on January 06, 1998 at 19:08:38:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Robert P. McFerran on January 05, 1998 at 12:29:57:

Robert

Thanks for your response. I don't think my dr. claims that those two herbs are the whole cure. He also did a hair analysis test to determine which nutrients my body is high & low in and is treating those with things like adrenals, vitamins, etc. The trouble is, I developed acute diarrhea about 3 weeks into that regimen and had to go off them for awhile. He seems puzzled as to why that happened and claims that he's had so much success with the aloe. When I was on the adrenals, etc. I had an abundance of energy, was able to lower my estogen patch dosage, and had a wonderful feeling of wellness without the aches & pains of fibromyalgia. So, I'm really hoping to get back on the other nutrients. soon.



Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Nancy on January 06, 1998 at 19:25:13:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 09:48:21:

Dr. Walt

Thanks so much for responding so quickly! I agree with you that knowledge is power. The trouble is in finding the applicable knowledge. I've been suffering for 25 years and you wouldn't believe the amount of money I've spent on doctors, supplements, books (medical, wholistic, cookbooks, spiritual, psychologica), PT, chiropatric, exercise classes and health clubs--all in pursuit of the knowledge of how to make myself well. Most have been absolute wastes of money, some have gotten me over acute phases, and a very small part of them have given me some lasting relief. I'm looking forward to reading your book and hope that it will be the beginning to the end of my misery, but I'm only cautiously optimistic at best.
So far, the most important thing I've learned is that there's no one easy answer. It must be in a combination of things. The mind-body connection, as my chiropractor calls it. Every once in a while I happen upon a real gem, like ginkgo biloba tincture, which cleared my mind, improved my memory, and stopped me from running into the doorways a dozen times a day. I'm hoping to find a few more of those kind of deals because altering the diet, doing relaxation and other exercises, and changing thinking patterns is so much darn work!!!! I don't mind work, but is just that so much of the work I've done has been to no avail and it's very discouaging.

I really do appreciate what you're doing here. What a sacrifice it must be for you. There aren't very many selfless pioneers out there anymore. Keep it up!



ginkco biloba tincture?

Posted by David Harrison on January 07, 1998 at 10:04:12:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Nancy on January 06, 1998 at 19:25:13:

Dear Nancy,

Ginkgo biloba tincture is new to me. Can you give me any information on it or point me to a source?

Thanks

David


Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 07, 1998 at 13:47:40:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Nancy on January 06, 1998 at 19:25:13:

Dear Nancy,

I WOULD believe!!!!!!

Every bit of knowledge you get is helpful whether it helps at the time or not. It will ALWAYS make future learning more meaningful since it will fit into a wider context.

These kinds of problems need to be seen as a 1500 piece picture puzzle without a picture to go by. Every piece you can put into the puzzle helps one see what the final picture will be.

So far as I am concerned, it is only results (for that person) that count. There are general truths that may have nothing to do with that person. However, that does not obviate them as basic truths. This stuff all fits together somehow!

Walt



Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Vicki on January 08, 1998 at 08:54:20:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 10:15:48:

It is understandable that people who are sensitive to yeasts and molds themselves would need to avoid them in all forms. My husband, however, is sensitive to wheat and/or gluten rather than to yeast itself. I am hypothesizing that his wheat/gluten sensitivity may be caused by LGS, which in turn may have been caused by yeast. In that situation, it made sense to me that he should avoid ingesting things that could increase his yeast population--but dead yeast didn't seem to be a danger in that regard. And with that, I seem to have gotten pretty far off topic.



Re: California sprouts and canyons of early death.

Posted by James Zintz on January 08, 1998 at 09:35:31:

In Reply to: Re: California sprouts and canyons of early death. posted by Vicki on January 08, 1998 at 09:15:06:

Vicki,

Namaste' and thanks!

About your husband's allergy. You may be right about it being caused by leaky gut. From reading the board regularly the last six months I can guess, with some confidence, that Dr. Stoll would disagree that the yeast caused it. On his Home Page he goes into detail about the causes. I have been dealing with the problem, and as I am resolving the problem, I am realizing....no, EXPERIENCING the primary role that stress plays. Dr. Stoll will probably also tell you that the vast majority of food allergies are in deed caused by the effects of LGS.

I hope your husband is a willing participant in your search. It is a difficult situation to be more motivated than your spouse in their healing. Mine is good natured about my urging, but I am, non-the-less, dragging her down the hall as she kicks and screams. At some point she must take over total responsibility. Does he want to get over his allergy?

Namaste'

Jim





Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Dianne on January 09, 1998 at 17:57:51:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Nancy on January 06, 1998 at 19:25:13:

Dear Nancy,
About your letter on Jan. 6: It sounds as if it were written by yours truly. Like you,I'm not depressed but mighty discouraged. Would you like to write to me directly? Let's share good stuff. Dianne


Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 10, 1998 at 10:38:48:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Vicki on January 08, 1998 at 08:54:20:

Dear Vicki,

Of course, your reasoning is sound.

The reason I have focussed on the causes of LGS is that, in the long run, eliminating THAT is the ONLY permanent solution. In the meantime, LOTS of people are writing about the consequences of LGS which are also treatable.

Listening to the messages of the bodymind is the only way to choose what works for that person at whatever stage s/he is in at the time. Once the basic mechanisms are understood by the person, s/he can better choose what to try & for how long.

Walt





Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by anu sitchen on January 11, 1998 at 20:17:53:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Dianne Cook on January 05, 1998 at 17:22:12:

Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I didn't think anyone but the doc would actually respond. Well now down to business. Klebsiella can cause leaky gut. At least this is what I have been told by other doctors. This conytradicts what Dr. Stoll advised me. Usually the bacteria is picked up in hospitals/ emergency rooms....ect. I did a test for digestive analysis with Great Smokies Labs. they checked several antibiotics as well as herbal remedies to see what was most effective i9n regards to killing it. Cipro worked best for me...on paper that is. We'll see when I repeat the test. One cannot really begin to heal a leaky gut until this infection is erradicated. Candida combined with this is a real bitch to put it bluntly. These two buggers have access to our bloodstream once intestinal permiability is comprimsed. I've also tried the Kudzu/NAG "cure" but haven't really noticed any dramatic improvement, though those around me have. I am too stubborn! I want normal peoples problems instead of sick peoples sufferring. Best wishes and pleasseget in touch with me. This internet stuff is pretty cool. Funny in a sad way, all this technology is relatively new to me both mentally and phiysically. I guess thats how sick I was.


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by anu sitchen on January 11, 1998 at 20:27:45:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Anu Sitchin on November 19, 1997 at 17:10:21:

Howdy!!!
Well things are a bit better. I have done a few things that my "gut instincts" have told me. Tell you what, My nuerological/psychological symptoms have begun to remitt. I am erxcited yet cautious about getting excited. On thing that has helped me is when I become reactive to a particular food I take about 4 grams of ester/buffered Vitamin C and 1 non flush niacin from twin labs. It has helped. Also I am taking claritin and a new drug called Zyflo. Zyflo is an anti lueketrine/kinin. It took a couple of months but I started to work part0-time again. Tell me if you've tried this Kudzu/NAG remedy


Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast

Posted by Beth Loiselle on January 11, 1998 at 23:27:43:

In Reply to: Re: Whole Food Replacement for Yeast posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 14:54:48:

Dear Peter,

Sourdough bread is ok for the Perfect Whole Foods Diet and for most persons dealing with Candida if it contains all whole grain flour (no refined flour) and does not contain any sweetener.

Sourdough bread does contain yeast, even if no baking yeast is used in making it or even if the label of commercial sour bread doesn't list yeast as an ingredient. If it didn't contain yeast, the bread would be as hard as a brick. Sourdough bread gets the yeast from a starter used to make the bread. The starter gets wild yeast from the air and, sometimes, commercial baking yeast.

My book (pages 213-215) contains a recipe for making whole grain sourdough bread from a starter that you make yourself from whole grain flour and water (plus the wild yeast in the air that starts the mixture bubbling).

Sorry I took so long to answer this! I've not been able to get on the internet lately. And I'll be away again for about 10 days in case you have more questions.

Beth



EMERGENCY: need help for diarrhea (Dr. Walt)

Posted by Nancy on January 13, 1998 at 10:22:50:

Dr. Walt

I am reading your book, but am desperate for help with constant diarrhea. I am on aloe vera and l-glutamine daily. It is not helping my LGS. My naturopath doesnt know what to do next. I've been taking Vitex 40 for hot flashes. Even though that worked at one time in combination with some adrenals, potassium, VitC,E, iron, parasympathetic support, and betaine,hydrochlorine and pepsin wih ox bile, I cant take all that now with the diarrhea. I had to increase my estrogen patch dosage, and still have the flashes. The diarrhea is making me exhausted. My myofascial pain trigger pts are worse, too. I feel that if I could just get the d. under control, I could get back on the right track like I was before Christmas.

I take in very little sugar or processed carbs--use brown rice syrup in my green tea every am, eat whole wheat, rye, pumperknicle bread with an egg. Do eat raw salads most days, beef, fish and chicken. Have ordered some Robert's Formula, as I've read that is good.

Can you tell me something that would break the cycle so I can get on with my healing?

Thanks. Nancy


candida symptoms

Posted by Tom a. on January 15, 1998 at 07:52:04:

Here is a couple of symptoms that will not go away.
The roof of my mouth itches with post nasel drip and
itchy ears. Also itching in urinary track.
I have no discharge or stds present.
Doctor prescribed amoxicillin then bioxin, did not help.
this has been a problem for 10 years with no help.
Doctor will not prescribe nystatin but did put me on prozac.
could this be candida?



Re: Oil of Oregano

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 11:50:05:

In Reply to: Oil of Oregano posted by George Gerhardt on January 11, 1998 at 17:56:58:

Dear George,

You can increase the dose AND you can use it externally.

HOWEVER, I would not recommend that you try to resolve this with the essential oils alone. You undoubtedly have LGS and C-RS contributing to this problem.

Walt



Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 13:23:19:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by anu sitchen on January 11, 1998 at 20:17:53:

Dear Anu,

You are just going to have to decide who to believe. The docs who told you that kelbsiella caused LGS are pretty ignorant. It IS true that klebsiella makes LGS worse. However no one can get klebsiella without having LGS first. How do they explain all of us exposed to klebsiella every day who do not "get it"? WHY YOU?

I will bet these "experts" that said that had not even heard of LGS before the Newsweek article of 11/17/97. I have been working with this for more than 20 years.

The only way you are going to believe the right person is for YOU to become the expert in your own condition. THEN, & only then, will you be competent to judge. Of course, you are the one who HAS to judge. That is why your most efforts (at this time) MUST be to learn more than the guys advising you from a poor data base.

Walt



Re: candida symptoms

Posted by Peter Wray on January 15, 1998 at 14:40:47:

In Reply to: candida symptoms posted by Tom a. on January 15, 1998 at 07:52:04:

Tom,
In addition to Kyra's comments, I would suggested that you get Beth Loiselle's book on health and whole foods. A PERFECT whole food diet will go a long way in helping.



Re: candida and natural cure

Posted by Ms. McGregor on January 16, 1998 at 00:29:13:

In Reply to: Re: candida and natural cure posted by Alex Stromeyer on December 29, 1997 at 17:03:57:

From personal experience I know that much can be done for candida without taking Nystatin.

Cut back on sugar in your diet, drink fresh squeezed juices not presqueezed, if you have an extreme case of candida go off yeast breads for a period of time-baking powder raised breads instead, do not take any anti-biotics if possible as they change the chemistry of your body, go to your local health food store and get a very good yogurt with active lactobacillus acidophilus or get a suppliment of this, there are also many health food suppliments that will rid your body of yeast and yeast fighting products, Nature's Way offers two products "Caprinex" and "Citronex." Caprinex works like Nystatin and Citronex also works somewhat the same way. Citronex (grape seed extract) should be taken with an acidophilus suppliment. Nutrition Now offers the "Yeast Fighting Team." Contains two bottles, "Yeast Defense" and "Yeast Remedy." These should also be taken in conjunction with "PB 8" which is an acidophilus suppliment.

Nutrition Now's phone number: 800 929-0418

Grape seed extract, garlic, Pau D' Arco (herbal extract of tree i.e. it's bark), lactobacillus, caprylic acid and a few others are your natural remedies, I had an extreme case of candida which caused my hands to have small watery blisters that broke out and were raw, constant infections in my ears, the usual intestinal problems, urinary infections, fatigue, depression, etc.. All of these products plus a changed diet cured me.

Yeast infections are not exclusive to women. Men, children and babies also get them. One of the leading causes of ear infections in small children is candida.

Read as many books as you can find. Experiment and find what helps you. Visit your local health food store and they can direct you as needed.

Hope this helps.


Re: candida symptoms

Posted by Ms. McGregor on January 16, 1998 at 15:16:11:

Please see Re: Candida and Natural Cure that is posted below. The comments started sometime in December. There are many books you can read in regard to candida plus there were comments posted in regard to products that are available-herbal etc. that will help. A natural candida cure is available.

Candida can cause depression, fatigue, urinary problems, skin problems, digestive problems, ear infections in small children.

Many doctors are not aware of what can be done to combat candida and you will have to do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

Candida is not exclusively a womens problem.

Read "The Yeast Syndrome" and look up the problem in any of the new holistic books.

A intresting historical note is that they have found the candida bacteria in Eygptian tombs and think it is blamed with killing archaelogists who were excavating. This shows you that candida has been a problem for a long time.



Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Sandi Fournier on January 18, 1998 at 05:13:47:

Hi,
I have been reading with great interest the discussion on LGS. I am Celiac, and I'm wondering if the substance Glutamine can be taken by Celiacs. Is there gliadin(the substance in gluten that causes reactions in Celiacs) in this or any of the other substances recommended to help repair LGS ? I am currently having a lot of problems from hidden gluten. Even several of the medications I must take have gluten and/or lactose. For the first time in my life I'm having lactose intolerance, I believe as a result of the Celiac disease harming my intestines. I am most interested in repairing my gut, so that my life might improve. Thank you.

Sandi


Re: candida symptoms

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 10:08:18:

Thanks, Kyra!

Good advice. Certainly, he at least has LGS & almost certainly C-RS as well. His most important thing right now is to gain knowledge, not start another treatment. Do it right this time around.

Walt



Re: Fibromyositis

Posted by Nancy on January 18, 1998 at 16:51:12:

In Reply to: Fibromyositis posted by Shell on January 17, 1998 at 14:16:51:

Shell

The most comprehensive book on fibromyalgia that I know of is FIBROMYALGIA AND CHRONIC MYOFASCIAL PAIN SYNDROME, A SURVIVORS MANUAL by Devon Starlanyl and M.E. Copeland. Dr. Starlanyl has the syndrome herself and has exhaustively researched it. She does mention leaky gut as a possible cause or a related disorder. There is also a listserve and newsgroup on the internet for FMS. I read them both for awhile but found too many of the participants to be combative with each other and more interested in drug therapy than natural remedies. Don't worry, it's not life threatening! You are fortunate to be dx'd so young, rather than decades after getting it, because you should be able to make the necessary life style changes to help yourself before you do have damaged organs, muscles, and joints. Keep reading this BB and related materials. They're the best thing I've found so far. Good luck! Nancy



children's adenoids

Posted by Scott on January 18, 1998 at 18:13:12:

My three-year old daughter has obstructed nasal breathing due to enlarged adenoids. She doesn't have chronic infections or most of the other negative effects, but she does need to breath through her mouth much of the time, and she might have some sleep apnea. I have heard mixed messages from doctors as well as friends on whether it is necessary to remove the adenoids now or wait & see for awhile. (Some say it even can lead to jaw development problems and other undesirable things, so the earlier it is done the better.) Also, medical science apparently sees no clear purpose for the adenoids, but I am uncomfortable with that assertion and believe it must serve some small role in the body's immune system. Is there any non-surgical approach to shrinking the adenoids, or do the benefits of removal clearly outweigh the drawbacks?


Re: Fibromyositis

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 19, 1998 at 15:11:49:

In Reply to: Fibromyositis posted by Shell on January 17, 1998 at 14:16:51:

Dear Shell,

My niece has the same thing & SHE is 14. The only thing that causes it at this age is the chronic muscle tension I mention so many times on the BB. Later in life, even though the "bracing" ALWAYS starts it, people also have LGS & have complicated their problem with immunological causes as well.

If you want to prove to yourself that I know what I am talking about, just find a professional massuer who does deep, total body, therapeutic massage & have it done 3 times a week for 2 weeks. You will not believe how much better you will feel.

HOWEVER, that great feeling will only last a few weeks after you quit because you are going to have to learn how to do an effective skilled relaxation technique & practice it at least 20 minutes twice a day to keep it from coming back.

As you get well, please share your experiences with the rest of us here on the BB. This is becoming an epidemic in young teenagers & it is TOTALLY unnecessary. Just think how rich the docs are going to get treating these symptoms!

Don't worry, no one has ever died of fibromyositis. Lots of people wish they would die from it so they wouldn't have to suffer. However, they never do. There are a lot easier ways to resolve this than dying.

Walt



Re: Multiple Chemical Sensitivity - E.I.

Posted by Beate Clark on January 20, 1998 at 10:09:21:

In Reply to: Re: Multiple Chemical Sensitivity - E.I. posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 13:37:49:


Dr. Stoll,
thank you for your reply. I have heard of Dr. Rea, but have to admit that the reviews were quite mixed. I was also hoping you knew of someone with more reasonable rates.

I have another question, this one concerning LGS. I have your book and am currently rereading it (again!). I am doing the relaxation, but am having trouble finding a way to combat the dysbiosis. I have been to scores of alternative doctors, practitioners, etc. who tried different natural products (grapefruit seed extract, Chinese herbs, etc.). However, my stomach and intestinal tract are very sensitive and I always have to stop the treatment because of irritation of some sort or another. Do you have any suggestion for me?


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:49:01:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Sandi Fournier on January 18, 1998 at 05:13:47:

Dear Sandi,

Sure this stuff might help &, in your case, I would suggest you try it.

HOWEVER, it will never solve this problem. To ask such a question--with the problems you have had already--means to me that you need a lot more knowledge and not something more to take. Start with a copy fo my book (link below) and then, if THAT makes sense to you, get a copy of "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier. It is referenced in the resources section of my book. This book was written about you but you need the concepts in MY book to get the most out of it.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again. As you get well, please share your experiences with the BB since there are a lot of people out there who your experience can save from further suffering like you have had.

Walt



Re: children's adenoids

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 12:27:38:

In Reply to: children's adenoids posted by Scott on January 18, 1998 at 18:13:12:

Dear Scott,

It is getting to the place where the words "medical science" is an oxymoron.

It has been known for 20 years that more than 75% of the total lymph tissue in the body is clustered about the intestinal tract. This is why LGS is such an important pathological mechanism. The opening at the back of the mouth is the beginning of the GI tract & that is why there is such a clustering of lymph tissue there. This is the FIRST line of defence against organisms that get into our bodies through the nose & mouth (the most common way by far).

The first way that lymph tissue responds to demand is by enlarging. Your daughter's adenoid enlargement is the main thing that is keeping her from getting sick right now. The ONLY indication for removing tonsile or adenoids has ALWAYS been when they are so damaged by repeated infections (failure of the system) that they are no longer anything more than nidi of infection. From what you ahve said, that is definitely not the case here.

Removal of normal tonsil & adenoid tissue should almost always be considered malpractice.

What I would suggest is that you thank her adenoids for enlarging to help you realize that her immune system is being stressed--even though, so far, she has been able to keep ahead of it.

I would learn what I could do to improve her immunity & watch her adenoids go back to an average size. AIDS research has provided MASSIVE amounts of information about how we can improve our immunity. The only reason why it is not the main thing your docs tell you is that insurance still willl not pay for education and we make a lot more money treating problems people have when their immunity is overwhelmed than we could EVER make teaching you how to help yourself. (sigh)

There are LOTS of references in the library, & at health food stores, on this subject. "Prescription for Nutritional Healing", by Balch & Balch, is a good one. However, the information below would get you the quickest results.

The first thing I would do for her (at this age) would be to totally eliminate refined carbohydrates from her diet. You would see her adenoids start to shrink in a month. I would not try this without a copy of Beth Loiselle, RD's book in hand: "The Healing Power of Whole Foods"--call (800) 870-5378. THEN, as she responds, I would hope you would take the time to share what you have learned with the participants of the BB. You will help prevent further victimization by the system for a lot of people.

You would be interested in reading Sugar & Immunity. as a starter.

If you have more questions, write again.

Walt


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Scott Kenefick on January 20, 1998 at 19:22:20:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Anu Sitchin on November 19, 1997 at 17:10:21:

Hi Bonney,

I have suffered this condition for years and am now sensitive to almost everthing. I have been taking Kudzu and NAG for about a month and believe they are helping. I have spoken with Dr Stoll and also tested positive for a PARASITE BLASTOCYSTIS.I have been trying to Meditate but am having a hard time with it. Please call me at 770-218-9469. I will get your number and call you right back. I would really like to talk to someone else who can relate to this.


doctor & candida

Posted by Tom A. on January 21, 1998 at 07:36:28:

I finally found a doctor who treats candida. After meeting
with him he suggested three lab test.
*Hair analysis
*Darkfield
*antibody blood test for yeast
Does this sound like a normal procedure?
And what does a hair analysis have to do with candida?
Please help me understand while i wait three more weeks for results.

Thanks to everybody for their input.
Frustrated Tom.


Re: Insomnia Anyone?

Posted by Donna Brady on January 21, 1998 at 11:44:20:

I was wondering if any of you with leaky gut have bad insomnia. When I take the vitamins and minerals that I neeed to heal my leaky gut, I can't sleep. It's causing what I guess is brain allergies. Anyone having similar problems?



Re: Insomnia Anyone?

Posted by Donna Brady on January 21, 1998 at 11:48:20:

I was wondering if any of you with leaky gut have bad insomnia. When I take the vitamins and minerals that I neeed to heal my leaky gut, I can't sleep. It's causing what I guess is brain allergies. Anyone having similar problems?



Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Daniel Affliect on January 22, 1998 at 03:19:00:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Nancy on January 06, 1998 at 19:25:13:

I have been readin and trying various methods described. The only concrete thing that I have experienced in the last 6 months is that I have gained a thorough impression that this Dr. Stoll is just like the rest of these arrogant Dr.s. The only thing he seems to tell people is to buy buy buy "my Book." Well I'm not stupid and neither should anyone be. You can get it at a major Library. Its worth the non investment. He doesn't say anything new really. The only decent thing about this forum are the people that come here in good faith and hope. I hate people/Dr.s with this God complex. This book is as apealing as cotton candy. It comes across as some big to-do but it really is a bunch of fluff. If you want to get into Leaky gut you should check out Dr. Gallo's site. If you listen carefully to Dr. Stoll you can hear his ego. He seems to have a serious case of "me-ism". The only thing I would suggest is to not give your power away. There are a bunch of groupies out here that want to be saved. I guess desperation does this kind of thing. I'm sorry that so many people are suffering this way. It compounds the difficulty of recovery.


Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond

Posted by Jim on January 22, 1998 at 08:57:03:

In Reply to: Re: anyone cured of LGS? Please respond posted by Daniel Affliect on January 22, 1998 at 03:19:00:

Daniel,

Whoa, what are you carrying around inside you? Strange you should perceive Dr. Stoll's position as the opposite from what it is. Or are you just teasing folks here to see if you can ruffle their feathers?" We get used to the occasional "out of the blue" blast. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is not based on first hand knowledge. (or have you tried Dr. Stoll's advice?) A number of us who are healing ourselves with the help of this board are eternally grateful for the time and effort Dr. Stoll puts in here. Why would you want to call us names?

Surely you cannot think his book is a money making scheme. Where have you seen him promise lots of good sex, instant weight loss, and multi-level marketing opportunity? He recognizes that many are not willing to take this difficult path of educating oneself and taking complete responsibility for one's health. I mean, obviously he cannot give all that information out to each of us separately. Good idea to get it at the library, though. But I like to have my own copy to refer to, and I would not want to have to go to the library each time I need to look something up. Have you read the book?

You know, so much negativity is doing damage to you and those around you. The effect of anger on your physical and spiritual being is devastating. Sorry to say one does not even have to listen carefully to hear YOUR ego.

By the way, thanks for the tip on Dr. Gallo. If you are sticking around long enough to watch for the reaction to your caustic post, how about leaving his URL.

Jim



Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils

Posted by Nancy on January 22, 1998 at 15:06:13:

In Reply to: Re: children's adenoids posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 12:27:38:

I discovered several years ago (I'm 48) that I have no tonsils. I never had them removed, but they aren't there now. When I was in high school and college I had alot of sore throats and UR infections (undiagnosed). All through my 20's and 30's I caught 2-3 colds a year and had numerous sinus infections. Any ideas as to what happened to my tonsils? Could this have anything to do with my having so many health problems now?


Re: Who has done Dr. Klaper's 30-day program?

Posted by dianne cook on January 22, 1998 at 17:55:17:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Melva Gail Smith on August 20, 1997 at 22:37:19:

Has anyone really done this 30-day repair regime for LGS? Are you better? Lots better? I've done many similar things in the past, but not, of course, exactly the same. And this was before these particular supplements/nutrients were identified as vital. I never had any improvement. One does the best one can...I suppose Dr. Walt has some argument with Dr. K. Would like to hear feedback from any and all. Thanks, I'm very very sick. Grateful to all who answer.


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by anu sitchen on January 23, 1998 at 02:02:28:

I'd love to whats your e-mail.


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by anu again on January 23, 1998 at 02:21:09:

In the mean time I've come across a great intestinal flora builder. Having been diagnosed with Lyme disease and eating 20x the usual amount of antibiotics for over a year, I consider myself a credible source in regards to the value of a good working form of acidophilus. This is how you make it at home and its dairy free.
You take 1/8th tsp. of garlic powder(organic), 3 cups of chopped cabbage, 1&3/4 cups of filtered water, mix in a blender. You let it sit for three days at room temp. Strain while saving the pulp. The liquid is fresh living Dopholisus. Save a 1/4 cup of the liquid and mix it back into the saved pulp. You then mix it in a fresh batch of 3 cups cabbage 1&1/2 cups water 1/8 tsp garlic powder. This time after mixing it in the blender you only need let it sit over night before using. You repeat this process daily and you will continue to have a continuos fresh daily supply of no doubt about it living culture of acidopholus's. No need to wonder if the stuff at the heathfood stores is alive or dead. Plus it'll save you alot of ca$h. Really, you think its kept cold but who's to say the guys at the airport shipping docks are really concerned about our well being.
I would start the process with a fresh supply mid week just to be certain you can overlap previous weeks supply with a clean jar. Who knows, could get a little funky. Should taste like lemon/lime club soda and smell like saurkraut?.
Good luck, ANU from NYC.


Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Donna Brady on January 23, 1998 at 16:33:22:

Dr. Stoll,

I hope you could help me, I've been doing so much research over all of this, but am still having problems. It seems that the supplements I need to take to heal my leaky gut are causing extreme insomnia. From what I've found out it seems that it may be from brain allergies, which fits in and explains why I am wide awake at 2:00 in the morning with much energy. When I don't take any supplements I sleep fine! Even taking 1 thing can keep me up. I want to heal my leaky gut but I have to sleep, and I've tried a lot of things to help me sleep while taking vitamins, including melatonin, to no avail. I thought about rotating everything (glutamine, pantethine, etc.), but I didn't know if I would be getting enough of each thing to heal the leaky gut. I know there's a book on brain allergies, I intend to get. But, do you have any suggestions in the meantime? Is there a way to BLOCK the brain allergy reactions? Please help!

Thanks, Donna


Re: doctor & candida

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 24, 1998 at 09:54:10:

In Reply to: doctor & candida posted by Tom A. on January 21, 1998 at 07:36:28:

Dear Tom,

I hate to tell you my opinion but you asked.

In MY opinion, serological tests for Candida are still not reliable enough to justify their expense. So far, there is nothing perfect to diagnose this. I still think that the questionaires you have seen, along with a therapeutic trial of therapy, is the most accurate way (and least expensive) to accurately diagnose the problem----so long as you read Beth Loiselle, RD's book BEFORE you try to treat the candida with diet & Nystatin.

A pretty accurate set of tests is a purged stool analysis by a competent lab (800) 522-4762, IF candida (fungal form--the only type a knowledgable lab even looks for) is found. If it is NOT found, the results are not very accurate. In other words there are practically NO false positives but many false negatives.

In MY experience, a hair analysis is of little (if any) benefit in diagnosing or treating this condition. The darkfield is VERY helpful if the technician is well trained & experienced.

The very fact that your clinician is even as aware as s/he is about this condition is to be praised. The AMA has suppressed this information (& harassed any physicians trying to learn about it) so much that s/he must be very caring & dedicated to even discuss it with you.

In the long run, just treating the candida is doomed to failure--if you are looking for a cure (which most people are). You really have to get rid of WHY you are susceptible. Candida is EVERYWHERE on this planet. Why do we not all have it? No matter how successful you are in treating it, as soon as you stop, you will have it again
--IF all you do is treat the candida. That is one reason I wrote my book the way I did (link below).

Walt

Walt




Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by JR on January 24, 1998 at 11:35:59:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Stacy on October 27, 1997 at 00:09:25:

Isn't Leaky gut syndrome caused by a candida yeast overgrowth and if so, wouldn't the only help or cure come
from killing the candida?


Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by anu sitchen on January 25, 1998 at 02:20:37:

In Reply to: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Donna Brady on January 23, 1998 at 16:33:22:

Dear Donna, I've read the book on brain allergies that Dr.Stoll recommended to me. Its a very interesting piece of information. Not only did I try what it suggested but also I called and spoke to both authors as well as people who had prefaced the book and contributed info. All this aside, THE BEST THING that WORKED for me was taking large doses of buffered Vit C 5gms with 500mg of non flush niacin. When I would eat something that messed with me, it went away within 10-20 mins after doing this simple remedy. This isn't the answer I'm sure, but in the meean time it can alleviate some bad reactions. Also be careful with the niacin stuff, you don't want to use too much if your liver is already comprimised.


Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 09:05:53:

In Reply to: Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils posted by Nancy on January 22, 1998 at 15:06:13:

Der Nancy,

This is a good example of what I have been saying about how different we all are inside.

I would predict that, if a microscopic examination of your tonsil sites was accomplished, tonsillar tissue would be found. There is a Bell Curve of tonsillar size (AND responsiveness) and you were unfortunate enough to be born at the bottom of that curve.

All it really means is that you have to put more conscious effort in to wellness than most of the rest of us to avoid the pathogens that enter the body via the nose & throat. Of course, after a lifetime of experience, you already have learned that.

Thanks, Walt





Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 09:09:41:

Dear Dianne,

Set your search engine for this BB to look for Robert McFerran. He had far advanced RA & has totally reversed it starting with the concepts discussed here every day. I would bet we could learn a lot by watching your communications with him here on the BB.

RA IS an unnecessary condition.

Walt



Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 11:11:35:

In Reply to: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Donna Brady on January 23, 1998 at 16:33:22:

Dear Donna,

The solution to this part of the all over condition is the skilled relaxation that is essential to resolving the entire complex in the long run. How are you doing with that?

You can effectively use the skilled relaxation technique to go back to sleep. You just can't count that one as one of the 2/24 hours you need to actually cure the condition.

Also, you can temporarily resolve the brain allergy by using "AlkaSeltzer Gold". It is well established that the environmental reactions always occur in conjunction with the body's having an acidificatin reaction and it is probably that acidification reaction that actually causes the symptoms. If you gulp down 2 "plop, plop; fizz, fizzes" you wil get relief of symptoms within about 15 minutes. AlkaSeltzer is a powerful alkalinization substance for your entire body. THEN, if your insomnia is due to this reaction, you should have no problem going back to sleep.

I would more likely think that your insomnia is directly due to your intolerable stress-effrect storage in the hypothalamus. Many times, when people are beginning to do the things that will actually reverse the causes of their condition, they experience a "healing crisis". This is more likely to be what is going on & it is a good sign instead of a bad one. It is temporary.

There are many publications about healing crises and you might benefit from learning a bit about them.

Walt



Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 12:35:45:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by anu sitchen on January 25, 1998 at 02:20:37:

Do niacin and niacinamide provide the same relief and/or have the same side effects, i.e. flushing and liver problems? BTW, what bad effects does niacin have on the liver, anyway? How do you know if your liver is compromised?


Re: Dr. Jeff Bland's Phone #

Posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 12:49:48:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Jeff Bland's Phone # posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 08:51:47:

Dr. Walt
I did not get any of the optiions you mentioned when I called. The voice just kept repeating over and over "enter the 4 didget #". I'll try again, though. I've gone through my first can of SUSTAIN, taking only 1/2 the recommended dose, in 2 weeks. At $30 a can, that is a pretty expensive investment. I am only the second person my naturo. has put on it, so I don't think he's exactly up on it yet. I did get a booklet alluding to the 4-step process, which led me to believe that maybe I need to get rid of the yeast before the SUSTAIN is going to do it's maximum good for me. It did stop the diarrhea dead in its tracks, but I still have the bloating and gas.

I've finished your book and ordered Beth's. Will look for the Skilled Relaxation workbook today. I'm plodding along.!

Thanks! Nancy



Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils

Posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 13:01:54:

In Reply to: Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 09:05:53:

That is very interesting. I was also born with a severly deviated septum, which led to many sinus infections, which led to many anti-biotics and NSAIDS. I've fixed the septum, as well as an open bite (via jaw surgery) and I've stopped taking the meds ( I now use salt/soda water pic cleanses and aloe drops), but now I'm stuck with the LGS, CRS, and FMS. Time to try to reverse the whole process. Sure is hard.

Thanks.
Nancy



Bracing

Posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 13:27:04:

Dr. Walt

After completing you book, I was surprised that no mention was made of Bracing. Since that seems to be what you consider to be the root of the LGS problem, I was wondering why there is not a chapter on it? I would like to know how you arrived at the concept. I understand the fight/flight response, but don't understand how come some of us don't seem to be able to go back to normality after a tense moment. Do you think that we should train ourselves not to react to a situation with the f/f response or should we simply learn how to return to normal faster?

Why is it that some people can live in constant super stress and stay healthy, while others can't stand the least little bit? Does it have anything to do with personality type? Blood type? Have any studies been done on it? Can you isolate specific muscles (such as the colon) to relax one at a time?

Too many questions, I know. I'd appreciate any answers you may have!

Nancy


Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Kyra Kitts on January 25, 1998 at 16:17:13:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 12:35:45:


Dear Nancy,

Hi again! From what i've learned, niacin almost invariably causes a flushing reaction. The only time it doesn't produce this reaction is if you take a really low dose of it, like maybe 100 mg. Niacinamide never produces the flushing. I believe excessive use of niacin can produce an enlarged liver and cause the liver to change from its normal healthy dark pinkish red color to some variation thereof. Niacin lowers cholesterol levels. Niacinamide does not. Niacin is a potent vasodilator (hence the flushing), and can lower blood pressure. Niacin also causes the release of mast cells, which in turn raises blood histamine levels. Since histamines play a role in allergic reactions, the choice of whether or not to take niacin is, in my self-schooled opinion, tricky. i've read (in an old book called "Mental and Elemental Nutrients" by Carl Pfeiffer) that the simplest way of determining whether you can benefit from niacin or not is to simply try taking it at a lowish dose, and see how you respond to the flushing. If the flushing feels good (which i've experienced in the past), then you probably would be benefited by taking it. If you feel like "ants are crawling under your skin" (i believe this is a quote from Pfeiffer) and it feels horrible, than don't take the stuff. My own experience with niacin was to take about a gram a day of the stuff (time-release form) for around a year in order to keep my blood pressure down. It didn't wreck my liver, if basic bloodwork liver enzyme levels are indicative of overall liver health, and it DID lower my cholesterol to 140. The highest-quality time-release niacin (meaning it really felt like it was doing something good for my body) i ever found came from a pharmacy called Willner Pharmaceuticals in New York City. i don't know if they're still around. They used to do mail orders and were unfailingly courteous and prompt. Hope this helps.

Kyra



Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Ann Lee on January 25, 1998 at 21:04:26:

I found this "leaky gut" section tonight. I have a diagnosed leaky gut but no one seems to have any answers except I have found aleo vera & live culture yogert helpful a bit. I have a disease also diagnosed as Inclusion Body Myositis which is quieting my muscles. Looking over the list of symptoms, I can qualify for a lot of them. By the way the leaky gut was diagnosed by Great Smokies but not one of thei doctors. Thanks for any information. Ann


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 26, 1998 at 13:32:01:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by JR on January 24, 1998 at 11:35:59:

Dear JR,

Leaky gut sydrome ALWAYS is the precurser of Candida-Related Sybdrome. The candida just makes it worse.

SO, the primary treatment MUST be for the LGS or ANY treatment of the C-RS will never cure it. We are ALL soaked with candida yeast every day of our lives. Why do we not all have it?

You really need to read a copy of my book to sort this out (link below).

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: doctor & candida

Posted by Tom A. on January 26, 1998 at 15:40:05:

In Reply to: Re: doctor & candida posted by Walt Stoll on January 24, 1998 at 09:54:10:

Thank you for your response. Now all i need is a doctor
who will perscribe nystatin. At lease for a three week
trial. And of course more education. If anyone knows a good
doctor in Michigan please respond!



Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Kyra on January 26, 1998 at 16:17:42:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Kyra Kitts on January 25, 1998 at 16:17:13:

Thanks. My BP is already low, so I don't think I need to take niacin. Niacinimide is in somethng I'm taking, so that's why I was curious about it. Nancy


Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Melva Gail Smith on January 26, 1998 at 22:00:14:

In Reply to: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Donna Brady on January 23, 1998 at 16:33:22:


Hi Donna:

Brain Allergies was the first book that I read when searching out a cure for my illness. It deals with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. Also there is an interesting part about the reactions some people have to tobbacco smoke. I think you would find it interesting reading. Do you also have MCS?

Melva



Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by anu sitchen on January 26, 1998 at 22:49:53:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 12:35:45:

The niacin that I use is from twin labs. It is called no-flush niacin. This is not niacinamide. It is actually more absorbable and yields a higher level of nicotinomide (or something close to that spelling), which has something to do with combining with vit C and reducing the level of bradykinin...which are the mediators inflamation in the brain. Because of this inflamation there is a tremendous reduction of blood flow to the brain. At least in my case. I had something called a S.P.E.C.T. scan done and you can see the lack of blood or the clinical term hypoperfusion. The is an e-mail from someon else in your follow ups that speaks of niacin and histamine release. The main cause of cerebral reactions really has nothing to do with histamine in my experience. I have taken plenty of claritin and zyrtec to know. Something that has contributed to a reduction in adverse reactions is called Zyflo. Its new and comes from a very cutting edge allergy hospital in colorado, I think National Jewish Memorial. Besides all the chemical stuff I rather liked the niacin Vitamin C thing. I have found an herb that works as a Anti-histamine-luekatrine-bradykinin. I can't find out its lay-name...Its call Rumex Nepalensis. Its from the dock family but which one I don't know. Iwould very much reccomend reading Brain allergies book. Its got other things in it that are fascinating: IE: Certain anti-depressants causing chealation of manganese so that a person loses an entire enzyme process. Without manganese you can't absorb certain B vitamins and thus suffer from Nuerological disorders.

Good luck, Anu from NYC>


wws

Re: Dr. Stoll's diet

Posted by Linda Hynds on January 27, 1998 at 09:06:44:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll's diet posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 08:41:53:

Dear Walt,

Thank you for re-inforcing how difficult this is for everyone. My cellular immune testing showed severe reactions to dairy, nightshades and wheat. I thought I was good at shopping for healthy food, but my trip to the grocery to read labels took 4 hours. Then, some of the food I got a health food stores was just plain awful! I was nearly a vegetarian, when my holistic physician suggested I follow Dr. Eades Protein Power, which necessitated more meat. I use alot of Tofu now. So, for all the BB readers, HANG IN THERE! This is hard, but I'm sure it is worth it!

Linda



Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 27, 1998 at 12:19:40:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut & Brain Allergies & Insomnia posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 12:35:45:

Dear Nancy,

ONLY the long-acting niacin has ever been shown to have a negative effect on the liver & no one YET knows why. In MY opinion, the short-acting is completely safe & no one should take the long-acting.

The best way to tell if your liver is compromised is to get some true "liver function tests". Unfortunately, what we MDs call liver function tests have little (if anything) do do with "function"--they only have to do with liver death.

True liver function tests measure the function of the still living cells whereas the "dead liver tests" only measure the leakiness of the cells that are already dead. We MDs have the simplistic attitude that if the cell is still alive it is perfectly healthy. Any reasonable person knows that there is a continuum from a perfectly healthy cell all the way to when it finally dies. All during that continuum, the cell can be brought back to health. Only God can bring back a dead one.

Most local labs do not yet bother to offer the more advanced tests (known for more than 20 years) because most physicians do not yet know enough to order them. The lab can only make money on a test if enough docs know to order it.

You could call the best lab in the country for this these tests (that I know of) & ask them for the names of docs close to you who would know enough to order the tests AND what to do about the results: (800) 234-6825.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 27, 1998 at 12:43:25:

In Reply to: Re: children's adenoids--and lost tonsils posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 13:01:54:

Dear Nancy,

Remember, BRACING is the most important mechanism behind everything you have had. That makes skilled relaxation by far the most important thing for you to do in The long run.

Walt



Re: Former Ky. patient

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 13:43:28:

Dear Greg,

How are you doing with your regular practice of skilled relaxation?

As you know, that is the most important thing that keeps candida from returning AND since bracing is the most common contributing mechanism to recurrent prostatitis......

It is NOT that candida causes prostatitis but that they are BOTH caused by bracing.

Call Kirk Morgan, MD, in Louisville. Tell him I suggested you call and I am sure that he will order the Nystatin.

HOWEVER, after all this time, I would bet that you have not kept up your skilled rrelaxqtion or you wouldn't have candida OR prostatitis.

Please let me know how close I came to the truth.

Walt


Re: doctor & candida

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 14:36:15:

In Reply to: Re: doctor & candida posted by Tom A. on January 26, 1998 at 15:40:05:

Dear Tom,

Call (800) 286-6013 and tell them what you want. This GLCCM organization is the most progressive in your area.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: good medical tests to be used as tools

Posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 19:17:01:

In Reply to: Re: good medical tests to be used as tools posted by Robert McFerran on January 29, 1998 at 18:11:08:

Robert

I wish I could tell you that there is a pattern to my acute gastro attacks. I can definitely tell you that taking antibiotics will make first my stomach, then my gut hurt, with alot of accompanying gas. Eating alot of sweets definitely flares up the FMS achies. Strong tea and coffee has an immediate effect on my stomach (burning, gas, then cramps). Sometimes eating a salad will cause diarrhea a couple of hours later. I always have a bloated and uncomfortable feeling in my lower abdomen. It never really goes away. I've just learned to live with it after 25 years.

I had a complete hysterechtomy over a year ago. I did notice that my periods caused an increase in distension and bloating. I'm 5'4 and weigh about 132 right now. I weighed 120-125 all through my 30's. I'm 48 now. I did get even heavier for awhile after the surgery, but I have recently taken off 5 lbs. However, even when I was on the Yeast Connection diet and weighed 118, I still felt bloated all the time. It's like a war is being fought in my intestines.

Yes, the UA, HDL, and LDL are preceded by MG/DL. Both my internist and naturopath said that my cholesterol was good because my good cholesterol was so high. Not true? Should I be concerned about the numbers?

BTW, I have A+ blood. I also have extremely tiny veins, making it very difficult to get blood out of them.

I've had several exams of my colon. The last thing my gastro. did for me was put me on Asacol for several months because my insides were very inflamed. That was maybe 3 years ago. I got better for awhile. Then when it flared up again, I tried the Asacol to no avail. He used to put me on Flagyl for the acute attacks. That helped temporarily. I don't have much faith in the gastros any more.

I've been on numerous rounds of antibiotics for sinus infections. Used to get yeast infections in my 20's from BC pills. Also have gotten them from the antibiotics. I'll stop rambling. Thanks again, Robert.


Re: Former Ky. patient

Posted by Greg Stegner on January 31, 1998 at 11:19:21:

In Reply to: Re: Former Ky. patient posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 13:43:28:

Dr. Stoll:
Thank you for your reply. You were correct that I've "backslidden", but not necessarily on the skilled relaxation. I've used meditation regularly, and had a session with your old friend Banks Hudson about year ago - and use his skilled relaxation tape a few times a week. However, my diet is not conducive to best health; caffeine, sugar, and a few rounds of antibiotics being my main problems. I hope to correct these problems by going back on your anti-candida diet, along with the Nystatin. I'm glad to have found you on the Internet, and appreciate your response.
Sincerely,
Greg Stegner



Re: good medical tests to be used as tools

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 31, 1998 at 12:32:00:

In Reply to: Re: good medical tests to be used as tools posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 19:17:01:

Nancy,

I think that we can fix your FM but you may not like what you'll have to do.

First you'll need to run a good elimination diet to get the food allergens out of your diet. You also use this diet to detect troublesome foods. How to conduct a good elimination diet is VERY specific and logical. Let me know when you are ready for the information.

Second. There is nothing wrong with your cholesterol. As your doc pointed out the main determinant of coronary risk factor is not total cholesterol -- rather the ratio of good cholesterol (HDL) to the total. The combination of those values with your low uric acid levels tell me that you have inherited what I call in my book a 'hunter-gather' metabolism. One that requires relatively high fat, high purine and low carbohydrate. This is just the opposite of what nutritionists espouse today.

I would be willing to bet $50 that if you had a glucose tolerance test done your results would show a hypoglycemic curve.

Third. Anti-fungals to treat yeast.

Fourth. Skilled relaxation to help everything.

Bob


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