Leaky Gut Syndrome historical posts August 1998

Re: STOMACH PROBLEMS

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 01, 1998 at 08:51:03:

Dear DEL,

This is a classical sign of Leaky Gut Syndrome (LGS). You need to use the archives and FAQ page of this 'site to learn about LGS. Be sure to read the references.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



toddler diarrhea again

Posted by Lee Steitz on August 02, 1998 at 17:27:20:

Hello! I wrote before about my 2 year old who has diarrhea all the time. It gets better for a day or two then worse again. She seems to be sensitive to wheat, eggs, dairy and corn. I what to take her to someone other than her regular doctor but I'm not sure who? I called the # Dr. Stoll gave me and did not get the referrals yet. I would like to work on her diet, perhaps a rotation diet but I need help.

Please tell me, what is a LGS? My daughter is doing great now other than her diarrhea. She wasn't growing well a year ago but that may have been a caloric thing or maybe she wasn't absorbing?

I would appreciate any information, help, advice. Thanks.

Lee


Re: toddler diarrhea again

Posted by Lee Steitz on August 02, 1998 at 17:31:24:

In Reply to: toddler diarrhea again posted by Lee Steitz on August 02, 1998 at 17:27:20:

Hi, I was also wondering if some children have loose BM's and then grow out of it?
She has 3-4 loose BM's or diarrhea a day. How common is it to grow out of food sensitivities?


Lee


Re: toddler diarrhea again

Posted by oops on August 02, 1998 at 17:36:13:

In Reply to: Re: toddler diarrhea again posted by Lee Steitz on August 02, 1998 at 17:31:24:

I know what LGS is, I just forgot the initials.


Re: toddler diarrhea again

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 03, 1998 at 16:20:06:

In Reply to: toddler diarrhea again posted by Lee Steitz on August 02, 1998 at 17:27:20:

Dear Lee,

If you haven't read my book yet, it would be an easy way to understand LGS.

I would be surprised if there were not books in your bookstore (from 1998) about LGS. Let me know if you find some. Unfortunately, they will likely stop with understanding what it is and not what causes it.

A rotation diet would likely not do any good at this age & at this stage of the condition. If you eliminated the 4 most common types of foodstuffs she eats (totally) you might see good results for a while. The problem is: as she eats other stuff to make up for what she is not eating, she will become sensitive to that (because the LGS is allowing leakage of THAT protein).

Were she mine, I would become aggressive about getting a response from the resources for Candida-Related Syndrome I mentioned.

Walt



NAET?

Posted by Bill H on August 03, 1998 at 11:58:42:

Does anyone know anything about the NAET treatment for allergies? I've been hearing great things about it, and I was wondering if anyone's had any experience with it.

Thanks for the feedback!

Bill


Re: NAET?

Posted by Laura on August 03, 1998 at 13:23:10:

In Reply to: NAET? posted by Bill H on August 03, 1998 at 11:58:42:

Bill,
I have used NAET successfully on several occasions to help me through various food alergies. Part of how it works seems (to me) to focus healing attention on the accupuncture meridians that are involved with the particular allergy. I seem to go into the same alpha state during the treatment (as does my practitioner) as I do during meditation. Until I began regularly practicing skilled relaxation the same allergies returned, or I became allergic to something different. NAET DOES seem to alleviate the symptoms and make regular skilled relaxation possible. Try it along with skilled relaxation and see if it helps. Good luck.--Laura



Re: NAET link

Posted by Laura on August 03, 1998 at 13:29:11:

In Reply to: NAET link posted by Laura on August 03, 1998 at 13:26:54:

Here is a link to explain more about NAET.--Laura



Re: NAET?

Posted by Michele on August 03, 1998 at 23:50:08:

In Reply to: NAET? posted by Bill H on August 03, 1998 at 11:58:42:

I have been taking NAET treatments for 4 months. My most noticable reactions are to environmental & chemical substances such as perfume, newsprint, car exhaust, etc. I am definitely doing much better, but for most people, it is not overnight success. It takes time & patience.


Re: Thanks Laura and Michelle

Posted by Bill on August 04, 1998 at 11:10:20:

In Reply to: Re: NAET? posted by Laura on August 03, 1998 at 13:23:10:

Just wanted to thank you guys for the help and info. Now I I just have to find a NAET practitioner in my area!

Thanks again!

Bill


I guess you should hear one negative outcome experience too

Posted by Steve Shapiro on August 04, 1998 at 12:05:39:

In Reply to: NAET? posted by Bill H on August 03, 1998 at 11:58:42:

I tried NAET via acupressure technique over a several month time period. The only thing that happened was that my wallet lost weight. I was using it, prior to finding out about the Blood Type Diet, as an attempt to heal from an autoimmune illness.

best wishes,

steve shapiro


GUT FERMENTATION SYNDROME

Posted by RANDY MORROW on August 05, 1998 at 09:50:56:

WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT GUT FERMENTATION SYNDROME bu hr MY WIFE HEARD ABOUT THIS ON A RECENT TELEVISION BROADCAST & SOME OF THE SYMTOMS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT SHE IS EXPERIENCING.


Re: GUT FERMENTATION SYNDROME

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 06, 1998 at 08:47:52:

In Reply to: GUT FERMENTATION SYNDROME posted by RANDY MORROW on August 05, 1998 at 09:50:56:

Dear Randy,

Conventional physicians have been scoffing about LGS (leaky gut syndrome) for about 15 years. Now that they no longer can deny its validity, they have to save face by renaming it something else. This syndrome only describes but a small part of the total picture that is LGS.

You would be wise to learn about the causes & ramifications of LGS since it seems that both you & your wife have it. It is NOT resolvable by any conventional way of thinking but is easily resolvable if you are willing to become knowledgable about it.

Walt



Digestion and Gas

Posted by Tony on August 05, 1998 at 16:05:41:

Does anyone know how long it takes for something to cause gas after you've eaten it? While trying to figure out what
certain foods may be bothering me, I noticed that about a half hour to 45 minutes after eating butternut squash I start getting very bad gas. Is it possible to get gas that fast after eating something? I always though it would take at least a few hours to digest before you would start getting gas.

Also, if something gives you bad gas should you definitely avoid it? I didn't know if that means your body is reacting bad to it, or if it's just a natural product of the food. I've even had people tell me that the foods aren't giving you gas, they're taking the gas out of your system.

Thanks for the help.

Tony


Re: Digestion and Gas

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 06, 1998 at 10:21:03:

In Reply to: Digestion and Gas posted by Tony on August 05, 1998 at 16:05:41:

Dear Tony,

This early gas thing is a classical symptom of leaky gut syndrome & will pass as soon as you have that under control.

Walt



Re: Digestion and Gas

Posted by Tony on August 06, 1998 at 11:44:53:

In Reply to: Re: Digestion and Gas posted by Walt Stoll on August 06, 1998 at 10:21:03:

Dr. Stoll,

Thanks for the help!

Tony


Re: Digestion and Gas

Posted by Gerry on August 07, 1998 at 15:55:29:

In Reply to: Re: Digestion and Gas posted by Tony on August 06, 1998 at 11:44:53:

LGS or not, how does the gas get past everything else in the GI tract. I know the average pass through my tract takes about 20 hours, so how does the gas from what I've just eaten get through in 40 minutes? Is there and carpool lane in your gut for gas only? Is there a secret here the State Highway Commission should investigate????

Thanks,
gerry



Re: Digestion and Gas

Posted by Tony on August 07, 1998 at 16:10:03:

In Reply to: Re: Digestion and Gas posted by Gerry on August 07, 1998 at 15:55:29:

Jerry,

That post was pretty funny. That's basically the question I was trying to ask, but I didn't really get a clear answer. Hopefully Dr. Stoll will answer you.

Tony


Re: Digestion and Gas

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 08, 1998 at 11:13:50:

In Reply to: Re: Digestion and Gas posted by Gerry on August 07, 1998 at 15:55:29:

Dear Gerry,

Most of the gas is formed by fermentation in the colon because of the lack of normal bacteria. Food is supposed to be absorbed, not left over to ferment. SO, the gas is already ahead of everything else when you eat.

The gastro-colic reflex causes colon contractions as soon as anything gets to the stomach.

Hope this answers your question.

Walt



Re: Vicki -- Answers to Questions about Elimination Diet results and BioBalance

Posted by Brenda Peedin on August 06, 1998 at 11:54:08:

Can you send the elimination diet please. It would be so helpful. I am on the second set of steriods for food allergies...I understand through professors here that the elimination diet is most helpful to pin point the culprit. Thank you!!!
Brenda Peedin



Re: Vicki -- Answers to Questions about Elimination Diet results and BioBalance

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 07, 1998 at 11:03:35:

In Reply to: Re: Vicki -- Answers to Questions about Elimination Diet results and BioBalance posted by Brenda Peedin on August 06, 1998 at 11:54:08:

Thanks, Brenda.

Since we holistic types have been preaching this for more than 20 years, it is gratifying to hear that--finally--the "professors" are recommending it.

Don't forget the LGS part of this equation. NO ONE can have food allergies without having LGS first.

If one just identifies what they are reacting to & avoids THEM, they will just eat other stuff more often to make up the difference. So long as the LGS is present, one will just become sensitive to the new stuff. Finally, you would be in a glass house being fed aked platypus through a stainless steel straw. THEN, you would become senstitive to THAT.

Of course, this is exagerated to make a point. I hope you are getting it.

Walt



dairy and my life story

Posted by Aimee on August 08, 1998 at 17:06:11:

Walt, I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I don't eat dairy products with no problems. Everytime I eat dairy, my skin becomes extremely itchy and I break out with spots of eczema all over. Yogurt, however does not do this to me.Other foods that cause the same reaction are eggs,nuts,bananas,and oranges to a lesser extent. All these foods showed up on my allergy tests to some degree, with eggs being the worst. I would be happy to share my health history with the BB, but this could take awhile.
1)I was born with some type of defect in the tube that drains my kidneys and had to have a valve grafted in with some of my other tissue.(I don't know all the details of this because that is all my parents ever could explain to me.I did have many urinary tract infections because of this) I had surgery when I was two for this. When I was a baby, I had to have my anal sphincter dilated because I could not have a BM. I also developed eczema when I was a baby, but my parents never had me tested for any allergies.
When I was 4, I had oral thrush.Growing up,the only problem I really had was a terrible case of eczema. My parents tried many herbal remedies to no avail. As a teenager, my aunt gave my some fluocininide cream which worked wonderfully on my eczema, but I only used it sparingly because of potential side effects. Most of my health problem developed when I got married and had my first child at 18yrs.(p.s. I had a miscarriage when I was 17) I developed an extreme craving for sweets, which I indulged. I also had 2 breast infections which were treated with antibiotics, and UTI, for which my doctor gave every antibiotic known with no success. Needless to say, I developed my first vaginal yeast infection, for which he gave me another prescription, which did work. I finally got rid of the UTI with herbs, but I got them frequently after that.(At this point, I was using a diaphram,which I think contributed to the UTIs). About this same time I woke up one morning with a stiff and painful neck that I could not straighten out. I saw a massage therapist for this and it felt better in a few days, but from then on I had pain in my neck and shoulder.
Six years ago (I am now 25), I moved to Oregon from California, and this is when most of my problems developed. I suffered miserably from hayfever and sinus problems, and had many headaches. My energy level was very low and I had problems sleeping. At age 20, I became pregnant with my second child. The pregnancy went fine except a little nausea and heartburn and low back pain. I also developed a painful varicose vein in my vulva. My baby was born with thrush, and I had a vaginal yeast infection, which I got rid of with monistat. Then I developed another breast infection.(more antibiotics). About 2 months after giving birth, I started taking birth control pills for the first time(progesterone only). Within 2 months, I developed vaginal burning and itching. I went to a doctor who could not find anything wrong, but said sometimes the bc pills caused 'symptoms of a yeast infection'. After 4 more months of putting up with that, I had my tubes tied. That was a nightmare! I bled terribly, so my doctor told me to take bc pills with estrogen every couple hours until I stopped bleeding. This made me so nauseated, I only took a couple. After this ordeal, I went back to the same doctor with the vaginal burning and itching problem and he gave me a prescription for an oral antifungicide that did not help at all. I finally got wise and quit going to this guy and started trying to help myself. This is when I found Dr. Crook's book "The Yeast Connection" and finally realized what was wrong with me. Around the same time, I started going to a chiropractor for the pain in my neck and he told me I had a short leg and I started wearing a lift and getting adjusted regularly, which did help quite a bit. I put myself on Dr. Crook's diet and improved slightly, but I developed extreme headaches that nothing helped. Afte


Re: dairy and my life story

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 09, 1998 at 09:14:46:

In Reply to: dairy and my life story posted by Aimee on August 08, 1998 at 17:06:11:

Thanks, Aimee.

I have printed this out. Give me a few days to digest it & I will come back to the BB with something. This stuff takes real time to see the patterns so be patient. I will probably start a new thread unless I can easily find this one. Our problems with the search engine are a real pain.

Walt



Re: dairy and my life story

Posted by Johnelle on August 09, 1998 at 17:58:57:

In Reply to: Re: dairy and my life story posted by Walt Stoll on August 09, 1998 at 09:14:46:

Aimee, I would be interested in receiving your information about the place that you mentioned which treated you for candida. Your medical history is VERY similar to mine. I have had a coaching session with Dr. Stoll and am very hopeful. His suggestion of a series of Rolfing sessions I took to heart and had my first session last Friday. It really helped my neck and shoulders, where my FM is the worst. We should compare notes! Thanks for sharing!


Re: dairy and my life story

Posted by sarah on August 10, 1998 at 19:55:58:

In Reply to: dairy and my life story posted by Aimee on August 08, 1998 at 17:06:11:

Aimee,
I would also be interested in hearing about your experiences with the company who treated your candida. I think I know who you are talking about, but I would like to be sure. Is the program still working for you, or were the benefits temporary? I know die-off reactions are unpleasant, but at this point I welcome them because at least I know something is working! Please email me since we cannot disclose the name on the bb. Thank you so much, and good health!
Sarah


Re: dairy and my life story

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 20, 1998 at 13:40:43:

In Reply to: dairy and my life story posted by Aimee on August 08, 1998 at 17:06:11:

Dear Aimee,

Sorry this took so long. As you may know, my C drive crashed and I have been struggling to catch up ever since (sigh).

Your note describes someone at the bottom of the bell curve for genetic susceptibility to LGS. You had some of the complications of LGS very early in life: candida-related syndrome, allergies and eczema.

You also had many of the things we now know are only related to total body bracing (which also happens to be one of the most common causes for continuing LGS).

Your notes are riddled with chronic bracing, LGS, candida, and their complications. I marked more than 49 different places where your history tells me this before I gave up marking.

You are going to have to dig yourself out of this hole one shovelful at a time. There will be a certain order in which you will need to do these things and each thing will make the next easier to do. I hope you will share your experiences with the bb participants so others can learn from someone who has it all.

BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR YOU TO DO RIGHT NOW IS THE SKILLED RELAXATION AND DO IT RIGHT!

Once you have that well in hand, write again when you have the energy to do more and I will do my best.

When your relaxation is working you will quickly begin to notice where you are holding tension. Your pattern is the most common one: both ends of your GI tract (TMJ & levator ani tension).

Walt



International health Foundation

Posted by Michelle on August 10, 1998 at 10:30:22:

Dr. Stoll,

I took the number in your book for IHF to get a referral re Candida and the number is disconnected. I then called for 1-800, same thing. What do I do? Is there another organization that can provides referals for candida related syndromes. Thank you. Michelle


Re: International health Foundation

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 1998 at 13:13:43:

In Reply to: International health Foundation posted by Michelle on August 10, 1998 at 10:30:22:

Dear Michelle,

This year, their headquarters was flooded out & the organization barely survived. I do not know their new address or phone. It is very likely listed in many of the health publications you might find on any newsstand. If you find it, please let me know so I can update MY files as well.

In the meantime, you can call Dr Crook's Foundation at (901) 660-5027 for the names of practitioners in your area. Also, listed in the back of John Trowbridge, MD's book "The Yeast Syndrome" are many physicians from around the country who know enough to help with this. I do not know when his latest printing came out. The list may be out of date. At worst, you could find the closest one, and if that was too far away, ask that one who s/he would know closer to you.

Good Luck! Walt



Re: International health Foundation

Posted by Michelle on August 11, 1998 at 16:20:14:

In Reply to: Re: International health Foundation posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 1998 at 13:13:43:

Dr. Stoll:

Dr. Crook is fantastic! Warm, helpful, with plenty of resources and references with several books under his belt on the subject of Candida. He obviously is a caring doctortoo in that he insisted I follow up in a couple of months to let me know how things work out. Furthermore, for all you who are interested, he has his a web site: candida-yeast.com. For your information, the correct # for his foundation is 901-660-7090. Calls are taken on Tuesdays between 1:15 and 2:15 central time. I told him about your bulletin board and he would like for you to give him a call in order to send him recent packet from his foundation. If you post me your fax # I will be happy to send you his private contact information which he would rather not have posted. Thanks for a great referral Dr. Stoll.


Re: International health Foundation

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 15, 1998 at 09:57:33:

In Reply to: Re: International health Foundation posted by Michelle on August 11, 1998 at 16:20:14:

Hi, Michelle.

Thanks for the info! My FAX#is (850) 760-1436. I will contact him again & get updated. The last time we were together was probably 10 years ago. He IS a great guy. It is another black mark against the AMA the way they have treated him. They have done everything they could to discredit him rather than doing ANYTHING to try to understand what he is saying.

They did the same thing with Orian Truss, MD--the guy that discovered the candida-related syndrome. He just sort of faded away. Bill is to be commended for standing up to them.

Walt



Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Nell on August 10, 1998 at 18:16:17:

Dear Dr. Stoll
Which comes first, the candida or the leaky gut? And how does it happen? I've read your book but am still unclear what actually takes place.




Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by d.d. on August 10, 1998 at 20:31:44:

In Reply to: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Nell on August 10, 1998 at 18:16:17:

Nell,

The candida comes first, and it can turn into a vine of growth in your stomach. This causes the leaky gut. So it's an advanced stage of candida -- I think, but lots of people here know much more about it! I'm sure they'll help.


Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Peggy on August 11, 1998 at 17:52:54:

In Reply to: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Nell on August 10, 1998 at 18:16:17:

Correct me if I'm wrong, Walt, but the Leaky Gut comes first. Everyone starts out with this yeast already, but it's kept at normal levels.

The yeast can't over-grow unless you have LGS.

LGS occurs from a variety of stressors - not Candida.

Peggy




Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 1998 at 17:58:46:

In Reply to: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Nell on August 10, 1998 at 18:16:17:

Dear Nell,

Leaky gut first and THEN candida-----ALWAYS.

The normal bacterial ecology of the gut is the perfect way to protect us all from all of the parasites (of which candida is but one).

The first thing to go when we finally have lgs is the normal bacterial ecology (dysbiosis).

Walt



Sorry for the mixup and thankyou Walt for setting it right -- I'll get my facts right next time!!!! {NMI}

Posted by d.d. on August 11, 1998 at 18:14:26:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 1998 at 17:58:46:

xxx



Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 1998 at 18:22:00:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by d.d. on August 10, 1998 at 20:31:44:

Dear d.d.,

Candida yeasts cover every square inch of this planet. If the candida comes first , why do we not ALL have it all the time? We all have equal exposure.

What is different about those of us who do get it & why is it so hard to resolve without first dealing with the LGS?

The candida makes the lgs a lot worse but no more rthan any parasite that "digs" into the gut wall & makes little holes to worsen the leaks. However, there is no doubt thart the LGS comes first. Those of us with healthy guts can drink a pure culture of candida without any worry of its setting up housekeeping in OUR guts. The normal gut is one of the worst places, in the world, for a candida to sprout into the fungal form that is necessary for this infestation.

Walt





Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by d.d. on August 11, 1998 at 21:45:40:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 1998 at 18:22:00:

Walt,

Thank you very much for the explanation. I have some questions then. If the reasons for candida imbalance are from stress, weakened immune systems, antibiotics, poor diet, etc., what are the causes of leaky gut? Are they the same as those for candida? And is there any correlation between LGS and bloodtype?


Thanks,
d.d.


Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Peggy on August 12, 1998 at 02:18:04:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by d.d. on August 11, 1998 at 21:45:40:


D.D.,
(Walt, I had to test myself, see that I have it straight)

None of the things you listed cause CANDIDA.

It ALL begins with LGS. Leaky Gut is caused by stressors. The things you listed are but a few stressors that can contribute to LGS. Once you have LGS that means your gut ecology is now out of wack. There's no longer adequate protection and it's open season for any opportunistic infections. NOW candida can overgrow.

Because antibiotics kill off friendly bacteria in the gut, they will make LGS worse, then subsequently, Candida.

Since Candida survives and multiplies on sugar and yeast, certain foods will then exacerbate it. That is, once it has already overgrown, which can only happen when there's LGS.

Stress (Fight or Flight Readiness) --> LGS --> Parasites & Candida

Of course, Walt would know more about your last question, but I'm gonna guess: No, there's no connection between blood type and LGS.

Peggy




Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by d.d. on August 12, 1998 at 03:12:34:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Peggy on August 12, 1998 at 02:18:04:

Peggy,

Thanks. Everything you said made a lot of sense especially since I had the two reversed. I bet my gut is taking one big leak!!! Sorry, couldn't resist.

Also, according to Dr. D'Adamo, some bloodytpes are more highly stress-prone than others, and that's why I wondered about the candida connection.


Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1998 at 16:19:09:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Peggy on August 12, 1998 at 02:18:04:

Dear Peggy,

You got it!

Namaste` Walt



Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1998 at 19:12:58:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by d.d. on August 11, 1998 at 21:45:40:

Dear d.d.,

Since my 'puter is "busted" I hope you will save me the typing by going to the FAQ page & reading about LGS.

Walt



Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida

Posted by d.d. on August 15, 1998 at 20:05:00:

In Reply to: Re: Candida>Leaky Gut>Candida posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1998 at 19:12:58:

Walt,

O.K. I'm very new here, but I realize it's fairer to look before asking.


d.d.


Allergy question

Posted by susie on August 11, 1998 at 11:00:59:

Dr. Stoll, I am severely allergic to corn. I read on an earlier thread that if you are allergic to the grain you can't eat the protein. But what about the starch? I've been avoiding all foods with corn anything including the starch.


Re: Allergy question

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1998 at 18:51:48:

In Reply to: Allergy question posted by susie on August 11, 1998 at 11:00:59:

Dear Susie,

Our technology is not yet good enough to remove every molecule of protein from the starch. Since all it takes is one molecule to trigger the allergic reaction.........................

One moledcule is exactly like the tiny amount of antigen injected in a tetanus shot, it starts the immune reaction all over again.

Walt



colon health

Posted by Lara on August 17, 1998 at 14:59:01:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

I have 2 unrelated questions:
1. I am a 50 year old female. I had a colonoscopy early May because I had occult blood found in my stool during a routine check up. They found that the blood was caused by an irritation in the rectum, and the doctor felt that there was no cause for concern, and nothing to do about it unless it gets worse. I have had this condition for at least 5 months with no other symptoms and no discomfort, but I would like to heal it if I can. Other than what is in your book, is there anything else I can do? I am working with relaxation, exercise and improving my diet. I and the doctor have no clue on what has caused this, unless it has something to do with chronic constipation. (I don't strain, but I often have used psyillium husks, or herbal laxatives or digestive enzymes.


2. When I had the colonoscopy (early May), I had general anesthesia because I had so much anxiety. Since then, I have had some problems with my throat that hasn't gone away. Here are the specifics: For about 24 hours following the procedure, I had a bad sore throat that went away after a day. About a week later, I had larangitus, sore throat, and congestion that lasted about 2 weeks and then went away. (Symptons shifted in that period of time). Since then, I have an occasional raspy quality to my voice and regularly a need to clear my throat. Since I work with people, and sometimes teach, it is sometimes embarrassing and inconvenient. I have never had anything like this before. Is there anything I can do to clear this up? Do you think it was caused by incompetance with the anesthesiologist? Do you think I may have permanent damage to my throat? Could it be an allergy to drugs?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

thank you and god bless,

Lara




Re: colon health

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 17, 1998 at 18:51:07:

In Reply to: colon health posted by Lara on August 17, 1998 at 14:59:01:

Dear Lara,

Isnt' that typical?! Wait till you get worse & come back to see me!

Nothing you have had done so far indicates the least effort to look for why this is happening. I am a little surprised that you have not been told that this is within the limits of normal & you should ignore it (grim grin).

The most likely cause of the complex of symptoms you are mentioning here is total body bracing that is focussing on both ends of the GI tract (throat & rectum-----a VERY common association.

Your current efforts at skilled relaxation will do you the most good in the long run. I do not think that there is any permanent damage to either end. Your contraction of the pharyngeal muscles made the effects of your anesthesia easier to happen. I do not think you can blame the anesthesiologist.

You might look at the constipation stuff in the archives since this approach would reduce the friction at the anus caused by the tight muscles. You don't have to have constipation to aggravate what you already have.

If you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: colon health (UNRELATED?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 17, 1998 at 18:52:45:

In Reply to: colon health posted by Lara on August 17, 1998 at 14:59:01:

Dear Lara,

By the way, as you can see from my other note: I DO NOT THINK THESE ARE UNRELATED!!!!!!!!

Walt


lgs

Posted by hue lee on August 17, 1998 at 23:23:47:

Will candida overgrowth clear up by itself as LGS improves with skilled relaxation? Does FructoOlifoSaccharide help improve LGS? And what about intestinal parasites; do they go away with effective skilled relaxation alone?

Thanks

Hue Lee(pronounced WAY LEE)


Re: lgs

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 1998 at 08:56:40:

In Reply to: lgs posted by hue lee on August 17, 1998 at 23:23:47:

Hi, Hue Lee!

Welcome to the website!

I know you must be new since you have not looked at the discussions about this already on the 'site. To save me typing I hope you will look at the archives & read everything you can find about lgs, candida and the rest of your questions.

The resolution to these problems is totally dependent upon your understanding the reasons behind what you have asked.

THEN, if you still have questions write again.

Basically (although you need to understand this--not just have me tell you this), once the lgs has led to candida or other parasitosis, the parasitosis has established itself & most often just clearing the lgs is not enough to get rid of them. That is why I recommend dealing with the lgs first so when the parasitosis is diagnosed & treated, it will not come back.

Fructose Oligosaccharides are helpful to support the good germs but, once again, unless the causes of the lgs are addressed, you could take them forever without resolving the dysbiosis. The skilled relaxation is the most common single thing to deal with the causes of the lgs.

Walt



Infant eczema

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on August 18, 1998 at 22:58:17:

I have a "God son", age 1, who suffers from chronic eczema(since birth). His medical history is 0. By that I mean he has had no other problems and recieved no medication/vaccinations/immunizations etc.. that I am aware of other than a vitamin K shot that the Docs slipped by his parents and the fact he was born C sec. He is the son of a chiropractor so his overall health and wellbeing has been tended to and is excellent other than this problem whos effects appear as eczema. Recently he picked up what their Ped called a fungus from, they think, the local pool. The Peds recommended Tx for that is "Selsun Blue"(sp?) baths. He, the baby, doesn't seem bothered by either problem and his disposition is stellar.

Any ideas as to the cause of this problem? And of course, any ideas on resolving the cause?

Thanks


Re: Infant eczema

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 19, 1998 at 13:14:48:

In Reply to: Infant eczema posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on August 18, 1998 at 22:58:17:

Hi, Doc Dave.

This kid has candida-related syndrome and LGS until proven otherwise!

Even with his wonderful upbringing, the advancing edge of environmental stressors STILL will overwhelm those genetically on the bottom end of the Bell Curve of Immunity ----upon which we all have our place.

Anything by Doris Rapp, MD, Sherry Rogers, MD or Bill Crook, MD would describe this condition in detail.

Were it me, I would not only involve someone of the allopathic paradigm (for the prescriptions needed to specifically attack the inevitable other parasites that have to be present) but a good Chiropractic/Naturopathic paradigm to enhance the system. You will need to avoid any dogmatic allopathic practitioner like the plague. Without a holistic outlook, allopathy needs to be avoided till everything but the parasites has been addressed.

This kid needs more than the usual stuff we know produces healthy people. If he did not have a genetic weakness in this area, he would not have what he has. That only means that he will always have to work harder to maintain health than those of us who were fortunate enough to be born further up the curve.

Am I telling you anything you don't already know?

Walt



Re: Infant eczema THX

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on August 19, 1998 at 13:26:11:

In Reply to: Re: Infant eczema posted by Walt Stoll on August 19, 1998 at 13:14:48:

"Am I telling you anything you don't already know?"

Not really. Just supporting my thoughts. Much appreciation. I will pass along the info to them.

Dave


Another Paradigm

Posted by Mary Jackson on August 19, 1998 at 15:37:56:

Hi Walt,

This is just an update FYI. I went to a urologist at Kaiser about my cystocele. Told him I didn't really care about an incontinence test, but that I wanted to ask him some questions about food allergies and kidneys. He didn't seem to know too much (said there wasn't much info. available). I wanted to know what effects they might have. I have read that casein peptides collect in the kidneys, and he mentioned immune complexes settling in the kidneys. Since then I have read that food allergies can cause fluid retention and that food allergies can be implicated in kidney disease. I don't know whether the retention occurs with the kidneys or is something that happens in the digestive tract. Anybody know? The urologist also mentioned yeast, because I was talking about holistic approaches. He thought I might see this doctor in occ. med, but it turns out she only deals with chronic pain and drug addiction (I talked to my own "doctor" about getting a referral to her). I asked my doctor if he'd ever heard of LGS and he said "no". I told him about the Newsweek article. He said he had read Crook's book and it didn't make much sense to him. I said I was going to have to get a non-Kaiser doctor to pursue the things I want to find out, and maybe get some Great Smokies type testing for Susie and me just for the sake of having something on record. I may go with the chiropractor who tested Susie for metabolic imbalances. I noticed he had a Metagenics binder (the product called Sustain might be useful) and want to find out if he knows anything about the potent enzymes that practitioners use. Anyway, I will have to figure out where to go next since I've exhausted all avenues at my HMO. I could have asked them to pay for a doctor offplan, but I think it's better to do whatever I do myself so I can say whatever I want about it. I feel like I've springboarded out of my HMO and on to something else, but I will keep the HMO for insulin, eyeglasses, etc. More later (hope this isn't too tedious!). Mary





Re: Another Paradigm

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 20, 1998 at 13:12:21:

In Reply to: Another Paradigm posted by Mary Jackson on August 19, 1998 at 15:37:56:

Thanks, Mary!

Your story is a great example of why people are having a terrible time getting the present monopoly to do anything about their chronic conditions.

Your doc was open-minded enough to read Dr Crook's book (if he really did). If he really did, and had trouble undrstanding it, I wonder how he ever got through medical school. Bill's book is MUCH easier to understand than that
------I have been both places. He continues to TREAT all of the "diseases of unknown etiology", that Crook's book so clearly describes RESOLVING by the treatment of candida. He continues to see these conditions NEVER be resolved by conventional treatment. He basically is saying: "Well, I know we do not have any solution to this problem and have NO IDEA what causes it. HOWEVER, I know it is not due to candida!" THAT in the face of the fact that physicians treating the candida routinely see these "incurable conditions" go away. (SIGH)

When the AAFP (American Academy of Family Practice), the largest organized group of physicians in the country, has officialy stated (and published again this year) that they will allow no postgraduate credits for any conference that includes any alternative approaches to health care, is it any wonder that few practicing physicians know anything about this? The AAFP is essentially saying that we already know everything that there is to know about chronic disease. The best we can do is develop more & more drugs to treat the symptoms.

Walt



Re: Another Paradigm

Posted by Mary Jackson on August 20, 1998 at 14:08:17:

In Reply to: Re: Another Paradigm posted by Walt Stoll on August 20, 1998 at 13:12:21:

Hi Walt,

I think they're suffering from fear of erosion (that staid tower of trad. med. might start to get shaky). The urine test I referred to is a Loomis test--I'm in the process of trying to find out more info. on it. Mary


24-Hour Urine Test

Posted by Mary Jackson on August 19, 1998 at 21:05:52:

Hi Walt,

I have heard about a 24-hour urine test that measures total urinary output, bowel toxicity, carbohydrate, protein, and fat digestion, nutrient amounts, sediment analysis, specific gravity, etc. You can get a kit for it. I think I will try to get one of these for Susie and myself and will let Kaiser know what I am doing unless they can do something like this for me. I am posting this above my last post, because I'm having "freeze" problems. Things are looking interesting. Mary J.


Anti_candida diet

Posted by Iain Fraser on August 20, 1998 at 05:32:36:

Dr Stoll

I have been following the anti-candida diet in Dr Trowbridge's book
'The Yeast Syndrome' for four weeks now. I had a fair amount of
success with the diet and experienced quite severe die-off effects
for the first week and a bit. I have not managed to find a doctor in
the Johannesburg region who even accepts the possibilty that I might
have Candida. So at present, I am busy working through the diet on my
own and as a result would appreciate any advice you have to offer.

I am starting phase II this week as I have been having a rough time
with the total exclusion of carbohydrates. I have tried to track down
the book you spoke of 'The healing powers of whole foods' here in
South Africa but with no luck. Do you perhaps know of a distributor
in this part of the world?
How different are the two diets? I was wondering about breads. Would
you advocate something like yeastless rye bread at this stage(phase
II)., because I see Trowbridge has rye and sorgham in phase III?
Another food which I see other experts on the subject allow to be
eaten from the beginning of the diet is oats while in Trowbridge's
diet it comes along in phase III? What are your feelings on hard
cheeses like gouda at this stage as well as guavas and watermelon?

I started taking Pau D'Arco tablets when I began the diet. From
what I have read, caprylic acid seems to be the strongest 'natural'
antifungal available. I was thinking of starting this in place of the
Pau D'Arco. What are your feelings on this?

Thank you for your time. I would appreciate any assistance you may be
able to offer.

Yours sincerely
Iain Fraser



Re: Anti_candida diet

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1998 at 11:27:58:

In Reply to: Anti_candida diet posted by Iain Fraser on August 20, 1998 at 05:32:36:

Dear Iain,

I do not consider any of the so called "anti-candida diets" as anything that I would do for myself and do not recommend them for anyone. I can imagine how you may be upset my my saying that.

However, if you have surfed the archives about this on this 'site, you know that I never have made any bones about that. When I first started learning about candidiasis, I used these diets too. However, with the help of a nutrititionist, I soon learned that the standard 2 years for reliable results and the 95% relapse rate after stopping treatment was not good enough for me.

By TOTALLY eliminating refined carbohydrates, and not worrying about anything else in the "anti-candida" diets, we were able to cut the time for results to 3-6 months & a less than 5% relapse rate (by dealing with the causes of the lgs while treating the candida).

I would not even consider doing a candida treatment without having Beth Loiselle, RD's book at hand (having read it thoroughly). Call (800) 870-5378 for information about "The Healing Power of Whole Foods".

Let us know what you learn.

Walt


Re: Anti_candida diet

Posted by David Holland on August 26, 1998 at 10:54:00:

In Reply to: Re: Anti_candida diet posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1998 at 11:27:58:

Dear Dr Stoll,

I would like to ask if you or any readers know of a Doctor or Consultant in the UK that accepts that Candida can be a problem in otherwise healthy people.

Until last Christmas I had suffered for a few years from increasingly severe indigestion and gastric reflux. Initially the Hay system seemed to give good relief but after a course of antacids prescribed by my GP the reflux got worse. I was sent for endoscopy. The consultant said I had severe oesophagitus and prescribed a further course of antacid drugs. These worked while I took them but again left me much worse when I finished the course.

I felt that the underlying condition was flatulence and bloating which was causing problems at both ends of the digestive tract. Though I did not know what IBS was at that time, my bowel movements were totally delinquent.

Though at the time I saw no connection I had developed allergic responses (like asthma) to various inhalants - including my wife's cooking. This was a most debilitating condition.

Then I saw a TV programme that explained how Candida overgrowth can affect digestion and cause LGS. I searched the Internet and found your advice on Ginger Juice (and bought your book). The Ginger stopped the reflux almost instantly. I also found a reference to swallowing Garlic whole so it will pass far down the gut and inhibit the Candida. This noticeably reduced flatulence. After Christmas for two weeks I cut out all carbohydrates and
alcohol for two weeks. Not only did all the problems disappear at the end but I lost weight bringing me close to what I should be.

I took an OTC anti fungal drug (meant for ladies) to see if it would make permanent the health gains and let me get back to eating normally. It has not done that but did eliminate a small sore on my ear that I had put up with for years and also stopped a white discharge from my Eustachian tubes and for several days left me with very clear nasal passages.

Armed with what I think is proof positive of Candidiasis I returned to my GP and back to the specialist to find that they will not consider CRS. I have had further endoscopy to establish (as I expected) that I do not have Celiac disease but drew the line when it was suggested that I
start a series of test for food allergies.

I don't believe I have any allergies. What controls my health is refined carbohydrates. Provided I avoid them my health is very good. I would like to hear if anything other than Candida can have this effect.


David
England


Re: Anti_candida diet

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 27, 1998 at 10:06:35:

In Reply to: Re: Anti_candida diet posted by David Holland on August 26, 1998 at 10:54:00:

Hi, David.

Isn't it a shame when you have to drag your doc (kicking & screaming) into the 21st century? Of course, so long as we MDs believe that only WE know anything, this c--p will continue.

I would say that your best bet would be to find someone KNOWLEDGABLE in your area and put your efforts into getting well instead of trying to force-feed your reluctant doc. Your questions indicate that you have come to the same conclusion on your own. Contact "Functional Medicine Update" at Voice (253) 851-3943, FAX (253) 851-9749 and ask them for a listing of subscribers to their service (in your area) for at least 2 years.

In the meantime, YOU are the best person to become an expert in YOUR condition so you will be a much more powerful member of ANY "team" that would be capable of helping you with resolving this to the point where your bodymind could continue your healthy state WITHOUT
professional advice.

By the way, you cannot have C-RS without great stress on your immunity. That, in turn, means you HAVE to have immunological hypersensitivity (the definition of tissue allergies).

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Candida Treatments

Posted by Peggy on August 20, 1998 at 14:36:54:


Are any of the treatments for candida that you find in a health food store effective? (Of course, in conjunction with skilled relaxation.) I had been using an under-the-tongue liquid medicine that my doctor mixes himself, but I'm looking for something cheaper.

What is everyone else using?

Thank you,
Peggy


I'd like to add some questions

Posted by Jenna on August 20, 1998 at 19:53:30:

In Reply to: Candida Treatments posted by Peggy on August 20, 1998 at 14:36:54:

Is candida a parasite? Is there any one effective treatment for all parasites that can be purchased through health food stores?

Thanks.......Jenna


Re: I'd like to add some questions

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1998 at 12:18:20:

In Reply to: I'd like to add some questions posted by Jenna on August 20, 1998 at 19:53:30:

Dear Jenna,

Candida IS a parasite, as is ANY organism that lives off the host without contributing benefit to the host. However, it does not respond as well to the anti-parasite stuff that is usually recommended for the worms & amoeba kind of things conventional medical types generally think of as "parasites" .

Walt



your diagnosis and question about LGS

Posted by Aimee on August 20, 1998 at 19:57:58:

Walt, I started a new thread so that it will be easier to find. I appreciate the time you took to go over my history and you have confirmed everything I know to be true about myself. I am getting better at the skilled relaxation and am noticing some small but positive results. My fingernails have actually started growing better(usually they crack and peel all the time), and I am becoming aware of tense muscles. I've also noticed a direct correlation between specific stressful events, such as an argument with my husband and IC flare-ups. Also, as I was getting a massage yesterday, I mentioned to the doctor (he is a naturopath/chiropractor/physical therapist)your theories on what causes LGS. He said he agrees stress plays a part, but that skilled relaxation is only part of the cure and that he always recommends an amino acid (glutamic I think?) for repairing the intestinal lining after treatment for candida. What do you think about that? Thank you again for your help.Aimee


Re: your diagnosis and question about LGS

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1998 at 12:28:46:

In Reply to: your diagnosis and question about LGS posted by Aimee on August 20, 1998 at 19:57:58:

Hi, Aimee.

Your therapist is partially right. There are many things now known that will help the leaky gut endothelium repair itself. Glutamate is one of them as is pantothenic acid (B5), essential oils and a whole raft of others. The problem is that if only they are used, nothing is done about WHY this happened in the first place.

I focus on the skilled relaxation since there as no dearth of people out there who will sell you these products (that is not to say that they are not helpful). There are not enough who will tell you about the skilled relaxation since there is no money in it. Combine both is my advice & DON'T stop learning.

Walt



Genetic Susceptibility

Posted by Peggy on August 21, 1998 at 13:17:13:

In Reply to: Re: your diagnosis and question about LGS posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1998 at 12:28:46:

Walt,

Hi, I'm the one with U.C. Obviously, I have LGS. The very first 6 years of my life I was on antibiotics daily. I imagine this damaged my intestines considerably so couldn't this be what caused MY susceptibility to UC rather than genetics? Then, of course, additional stressors, including more medications (tetracycline, birth control pills, etc.) throughout life, all accumulated to UC.

I'm really dissecting this thing and feel that those childhood antibiotics were the beginning and if that had not happened, maybe UC would not have been the end result (but something else, like maybe my brain, since mental problems run in the family).

Peggy





Re: Genetic Susceptibility

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 22, 1998 at 12:17:58:

In Reply to: Genetic Susceptibility posted by Peggy on August 21, 1998 at 13:17:13:

Hi, Peggy.

You may be right. Each system has its own Bell Curve genetically. Each system can handle only so much before it decompensates. THEN almost everything will bother it.

We can't go back but we can take what you have left and go forward. The body's capacity for healing is nearly unlimited----given a chance. We are about to do just that!

Namaste` Walt



eczema a la breast...help

Posted by d.d. on August 22, 1998 at 04:19:54:

Walt,

After reading through the archives, I understand that Eczema is always accompanied by LGS and CR-S. I also
understand that addressing these problems with a carbohydrate reduced diet and skilled relaxation will be the only way for me to rid myself of these conditions and consequentially, the Eczema. Until I can tackle those methods, I have been using an allopathic treatment -- a hydrocortisone cream.

You mentioned in one of your archived posts that chronic use of such a cream in one spot will eventually destroy the dermis. That scared me. This spot is on the underside of my right breast. It is one of the last places I want to destroy. However, I have never itched so much in my entire life. I could jump out the window, it's driving me insane. And I can't scratch my breast out in public. So I have been applying the cream 3-4 times a day. But how long can I do this without destroying my poor breast? Is there any other holistic topical treatment I can use instead, until the more long term treatments work?


Thanks for your help,
d.d.


Re: eczema a la breast...help

Posted by Louise on August 22, 1998 at 11:36:54:

In Reply to: eczema a la breast...help posted by d.d. on August 22, 1998 at 04:19:54:


d.d.,

I am not Dr. Stoll, but I have life-long familiarity with excema. The way I finally got off cortisone was to be absolutely strict about sugar (especially orange juice) and using "Camo-care" a cream made with chammomile. Also,a callendula cream helps some but not as much as the chammomile. They are both formulated for people dependent on cortisone. I can personally attest to the fact it deteriorates your skin. Mine became like tisue paper. I left bloody fingerprints when I would pick up a glass. It came back, though. Thank God! Also, evening primrose oil internally and externally helps too. Good luck! I feel your itch!

Louise Anderson


Re: eczema a la breast...help

Posted by d.d. on August 22, 1998 at 12:51:04:

In Reply to: Re: eczema a la breast...help posted by Louise on August 22, 1998 at 11:36:54:

Louise,

Thanks so much for your help. If I ask for "Camo-care"
at the health food store, will that be enough? Also, I'm not surprised that it contains chammomile, isn't that a relaxing agent? I know the tea has that effect. And it all relates, because I was under the impression that Eczema was brought on by stress. On that note, do you practice skilled relaxation as a long term solution and has it helped you?


Thanks,
d.d.

p.s. as for the sugar, lately I've been having a lot of commercial chocolate frozen yogurt -- guess that's not good but I feel addicted.


Re: eczema a la breast...help

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 08:50:21:

In Reply to: eczema a la breast...help posted by d.d. on August 22, 1998 at 04:19:54:

Dear d.d.,

It takes years for cortisone to destroy the dermis in nearly all people. Were it me, I would not worry about using the hydrocortisone so long as I was learning how to deal with the causes (as you are).

By the way, under the breast is a VERY unusual place for eczema and a VERY common place for candida dermatitis.

If you have not had a biopsy of the area to PROVE the diagnosis you need to do so at once.

Hydrocortisone just decreases inflammation so it would help with the itching of both eczema AND/OR candidal dermatitis.

Finally, I hope others do not have the idea that I have said that "reducing carbohydrates" in the diet would do anything to get rid of LGS OR candida. Short of TOTAL elimination of REFINED carbohydrates, diet (other than finding allergens--by the provocation/elimination approach--caused by the LGS) will do little for eczema.

The relaxation gets rid of WHY you have LGS. THEN, you need to deal with the candida. I would use diet, acidophilus (in appropriate doses), Nystatin Powder (in appropriate doses on an empty stomach) WHILE keeping the LGS away with skilled relaxation, and exercise.

I would not consider using diet against candida without following Beth Loiselle, RD's book: "The Healing Power of Whole Foods". Call (800) 870-5378.

Walt



Re: eczema a la breast...help

Posted by d.d. on August 23, 1998 at 13:01:43:

In Reply to: Re: eczema a la breast...help posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 08:50:21:

Dear Walt,

Thanks, that's a relief about the cortisone cream.

I went to an excellent dermatologist who didn't do a biopsy, I'll have to go back.

I'm sorry for my misleading statement about "carbohydrates", it was late, but that's no excuse. When I checked my notes in the morning, they said exactly what you said, "TOTAL elimination of REFINED carbohydrates". I'll be more careful next time.!!!!

And finally, thank you so much for the treatment information on LGS and Candida as well as the book recommendation. I've got some big changes to make!


Bless you,
d.d.




Re: eczema a la breast...help

Posted by Louise on August 23, 1998 at 17:01:53:

In Reply to: Re: eczema a la breast...help posted by d.d. on August 22, 1998 at 12:51:04:

Yes, I am trying to do the skilled relaxation. I am beginning to feel like I may be getting somewhere with it. I have a lot less problem with bruxism and teeth clenching.
I have a lot of resistence to meditation in general- although I do believe it works. Now that I am getting some benefit, it is getting easier. I am exploring what Dr.Stoll says about leaky gut syndrome. It is very creepy for me to feel like my body is a a big permeable sponge that can't hold itself together.

One caveat to the externally applied evening primrose oil. I can't be completely sure yet, but it seemd to aggravate my excema when applied topically undiluted. Youch! It has worked before, so I don't know why my skin reacted this time.

Louise


better clarify that...

Posted by d.d. on August 24, 1998 at 15:06:07:

Louise,

What I meant was, that to rid ourselves of the Ezcema, there are several things to be done, but without "skilled relaxation", the entire process won't be long term effective.


Prolapsed colon? Walt?

Posted by Nancy on August 22, 1998 at 15:35:08:

Dear Walt

Is there such a thing as a prolapsed colon? Two different iridologists that I've seen have told me that my eyes indicate that I have that. I've had IBS for 25 years and although elimination of refined carbs and using slipperey elm bark have gone a long way towards helping me, I do still have pain, aching and cramping, mostly on the lower left side of the abdomen. In the past, when I've had dx tests run, all that shows up is an inflamed lining in the colon. If the condition does exist, how would it be dx'd medically? I have an appointment on 9/1 with the GE in DeQuincy, La. who was interviewed in the article I sent you. He treats IBS with diet and herbs, rather than meds. What a switch, for an MD! I will talk to him about the prolapse, but would really appreciate your comments.

Thanks!

Nancy


Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt?

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 09:55:54:

In Reply to: Prolapsed colon? Walt? posted by Nancy on August 22, 1998 at 15:35:08:

Dear Nancy,

A prolapsed colon cannot STAY prolapsed since that would cut off the circulation AND cause a nearly total obstruction--which would soon become total because of swelling. This would be a surgical emergency.

However, an intermittant prolapse could be present & could show the inflammation that has been seen on your previous examinations. Let us hope that you do not have that since is would put you walking with one foot already OVER the edge of the cliff in this system.

I am not a good iridologist. I have only studied it enough to know that it is a valid diagnostic (AND predictive) tool. I would have to bow to your iridologist's expertise. I was not aware that the tool had been so refined that it could tell between colitis & prolapse.

A barium enema, during the prolapse, would show it. A colonoscopy, during the prolapse, would see it & could be used to reduce it.

Do you understand what a prolapsed colon is? Basically it is the colon swallowing itself. Your present doc should be able to show you pictures in his office. Another word for it would be intussusecption.

Walt



Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt?

Posted by Nancy on August 23, 1998 at 12:25:55:

In Reply to: Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 09:55:54:

Walt

Thanks for clarifying the prolapsed colon for me. The way my iridologist described it was more of a sagging from gravity plus other organs (perhaps from my uterus being enlarged before hysterectomy 2 yrs ago) or pregnancy many years ago. No mention of the thing swallowing itself. That sounds really serious! It sounds like the barium enema (last one I had was in 1973) and colonoscopy (late 80's) could turn up negative unless the bowel was prolapsed at the time of the tests, right? The pain I have is seldom severe, usually just nagging, like from a period (I know, you've never experienced that!). I do have alot of difficulty passing stools (takes a long time), but also have loose bowels alot. Always blamed all of that on the IBS. I really don't have diarrhea anymore. For awhile that was a terrible problem for me (up until last spring). When I do the Skilled Relaxations, I can feel movement in my abdomen, like a steady rhythm in the colon--wavelike. Does that make sense? I consider it a healing movement.

Thanks again for your knowledge and encouragement.

Nancy



Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? Forgot something

Posted by Nancy on August 23, 1998 at 12:30:28:

In Reply to: Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 09:55:54:

Walt

I forgot to tell you that the suggested treatment was to lie on a slant board for 20-30 minutes a day. Since I don't have one, I tried it with my ironing board propped up against a chair, but it was way too hard and hurt my back. My chiropractor found some slantboards in his catalogs, but they were hundreds of dollars. What do you think of that suggestion?

Nancy


Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt?

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1998 at 09:15:10:

In Reply to: Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? posted by Nancy on August 23, 1998 at 12:25:55:

Dear Nancy,

What your iridologist explained to you is NOT prolapse & should not be called that. There IS a term for it (ptosis). It is clinically not important (other than to know it seems to be more common with people who have bowel problems).

Your increasing awareness of intestinal movement IS healthy & a natural consequence of meditation practices.

Ptosis would be seen on barium enema but might not be noted on colonoscopy. I would not worry about it.

You are welcome! Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? (change the name)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1998 at 09:28:27:

In Reply to: Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? Forgot something posted by Nancy on August 23, 1998 at 12:30:28:

Dear Nancy,

Although ptosis has been seen to be present more often with people with intestinal problems, there is no published information I know of indicating that reversing the ptosis has anything to do with reversing the GI problems. Also, I would like to see any research that shows that a slant board would EVER improve ptosis.

It is not likely to do you any harm but other than giving you something to do (and perhaps giving you something to image while doing it) I can't see it reversing sagging. I would not disparage the imagery since that seems to be effective for everything. Also, a slant board is a great place to do skilled relaxation which enhances imagery.

Walt



Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? (change the name)

Posted by Nancy on August 24, 1998 at 20:25:09:

In Reply to: Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? (change the name) posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1998 at 09:28:27:

Walt

I really enjoy doing my skilled relaxations on a level surface, and don't really need anything else to do! I think I'm going to dismiss it as a well-intended suggestion that will probably not be worth the time, effort and expense (of a slant board) for me at this time. Sure am glad to hear the ptosis is no cause for alarm. The trouble with iridologists is that they don't have a medical background. I woudn't completely rule out that I misunderstood, either. At first I thought it meant that I had diverticulosis. Back in April when I started with the iridology and herbal treatments, I was certainly in alot more severe pain than I am now. I think all the things I'm doing are working in combination to make me well.

Thanks again for the clarification. I feel better already!

Nancy



about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)

Posted by Jenny on August 25, 1998 at 09:48:26:

In Reply to: Re: Prolapsed colon? Walt? (change the name) posted by Nancy on August 24, 1998 at 20:25:09:

In regards to "the trouble with iridologists is that they don't have a medical background", (I guess a FEW do), what I've observed is that the iridologists around here are always in the business of selling supplements. Shops selling overpriced herbal remedies are proliferating , and you go in and they do an iridology reading or a "muscle test" on you (also called "kinesiology") as a way to decide which of the hundreds of herbals they can sell you. Go to different practitioners, and you will get different "diagnoses". These people, I suppose, are well-intended, AND they are making money while customers accumulate shelves full of supplements that didn't work. What we need are more Naturopaths and other physicians trained in herbs/nutrition, etc. I see a lot of ripping off going on in the "supplement" business because there's a lack of knowledgeable health professionals. Any comments, Walt and others? Am I too skeptical?


Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)

Posted by Linda Hynds on August 25, 1998 at 11:08:02:

In Reply to: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists) posted by Jenny on August 25, 1998 at 09:48:26:

Hi Jenny,

I don't profess to know alot about either Iridology or Applied Kinesiology. From what I've seen, Iridology seems to be used for identifying those social and psychological aspects we might want to change (or be aware of to avoid difficulties). I only met one person who was really into this and I truly don't know if he was pushing supplements or not.

Applied Kinesiolgy (Touch For Health) was developed by Dr. Thie, a chiropractor. It is very useful for identifying along which meridian paths our problems stem and also provides a physical method for balancing with acupressure techniques. I have seen some other "kinesiology" practitioners who stand in front of you, do muscle testing on your arm and tell you that you experienced early life trauma which is causing your symptoms and you need to let go of it. I know of many chiropractors who use muscle testing to test supplements, which seems to be valid. I only know of one in this area who has his own supplement company, which doesn't seem very ethical to me. I believe that true applied kinesiologists who have been trained by Dr. Thie's extensive methods, receive a certification. Perhaps Dr. Dave can shed more light on this. Hope this helps some.

Namaste` Linda



Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)

Posted by Nancy on August 25, 1998 at 18:47:17:

In Reply to: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists) posted by Jenny on August 25, 1998 at 09:48:26:

Linda

I agree with you for the most part. However, my iridologist does not seem to be pushing her supplements (Nature's Sunshine) nearly as much as was the naturopath I went to. The iridologist has muscle tested me on several supplements that I've bought from various other sources and she has recommended that I stay on them. She gets no compensation whatsoever from those. She also recommends very few supplements at a time, and charges only $25 for a 1-2 hours session. The naturopath, on the other hand, charges $100 a visit and hundreds more for sups and tests, then since they are "pharmacological strength", they cannot be bought directly by me, nor can the companies answer any questions about them directly to me. I've found that the relaxation, diet, and herb/vitamins in combination do the best and it just takes alot of study to determine what your own body needs. No one person can tell you, unfortunately.


Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)- Dr. Dave and Walt

Posted by Linda Hynds on August 25, 1998 at 21:23:14:

In Reply to: Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists) posted by Nancy on August 25, 1998 at 18:47:17:

Hi Nancy'

First of all, let me say how great it is to see you progressing in your journey. I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I really don't know if Iridologists use supplements and applied kinesiology. Apparently yours does and this is very effective for you.

I do know about the Touch For Health applied kinesiology that Dr. Thie developed. I believe that chiropractors usually use this, although some nurses and other practitioners are becoming certified. I have a problem with any practitioner who exclusively markets their own supplements simply because of the conflict of interest and ethical questions that practice raises. My own chiropractor uses applied kinesiology and recommends supplements, but they are not made by his own company. I'm glad to see your Iridologist also recommends supplements in which she does not have a vested interest.

There are some other "applied kinesiologists" out there who seem to use this only for psychological and social diagnosis of past "trauma". Yes, often this IS the case, but not EVERYTHING can be blamed on past psychological trauma for EVERYONE. Supplements can help us, but they cannot balance everything - body mind and spirit. Only we can do that by diet, exercise and skilled relaxation/meditation. I believe it is the latter that is the catalyst that makes all the other things work, bu, even that will not make us well alone. It will, however, keep the illnesses at bay once we achieve balance.

Enough of Linda's philosophy!

The bottom line is that everyone must research practices and practitioners for themselves, which I might add, sounds like you have done effectively. Patrons who see the same massage therapists will report differently, even though the therapist uses the same techniques. We have to learn to trust the value of our own intuition.

Keep up the good work.

Namaste` Linda



Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 26, 1998 at 09:41:04:

In Reply to: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists) posted by Jenny on August 25, 1998 at 09:48:26:

Dear Jenny,

I would say that you were becoming just skeptical enough. As I have said many times on this BB, only self knowledge will save us from this transition time.

I have also made the comment that, although Iridology is a valid way of making estimations of a person's inner physiology (or pathology), I would HATE to have to make all my decisions on that basis alone----just as I would hate to make all my decisions with a stethescope, ophthalmoscope, xray or lab test. it is by combining everything that the best decisions are made.

Since the AMA's policy is to take the licenses from any physicians who dare to combine all this stuff, the docs brave enough to try to do the best for their patients are few & far between.

In the end, YOU must be knowledgable enough to have a better chance of making the right choices from ALL the information you can get from any practitioners.

Also, don't forget to talk to as many of their clients as you can (not just the ones they tell you about--they are only going to tell you about their successes). It is hard to argue with success.

The back of my book has several sections about how to judge & use your conventional medical practitioner. Using many of these same principles can help in judging non-medical practitioners as well.

Walt



Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)- Dr. Dave and Walt

Posted by Nancy on August 27, 1998 at 19:08:45:

In Reply to: Re: about those iridologists (and kinesiologists)- Dr. Dave and Walt posted by Linda Hynds on August 25, 1998 at 21:23:14:

Linda

I agree with you 100%!



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