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During my daily roaming in the woods, I sometimes would see mushrooms sprung out from under the dead leaves. This morning, there were SOOOO many of them under the giant cedar trees (ashe juniper is their latin name)--they can perhaps fill up a whole truck load! They are big, fat, pure white, and very fresh-looking, resembling portbella (sp?) mushrooms in the grocery store, except they are white. I'm so tempted to gather some and make a soup or stir-fry. But since I'm no expert in identifying mushrooms, I thought I'd better ask around before eating them. Are they safe to eat?
In Reply to: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 15:11:57:
This is complicated and takes research.
In Reply to: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 15:11:57:
Bing, I studied fungi for many years and I would not do it. Only a very few types would I trust. Your best bet is to find someone familiar with the mushrooms in the area you visited. Go with them and let them teach you. A book's descriptions could confuse you and lead to harm unless you are already adept at descriptive taxonomy.
In Reply to: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 15:11:57:
Bing, in case you fail to constrain yourself in the face of all that free food, and some of the mushrooms happen to be hepatoxic, and you find yourself dying of liver failure, remember to tell your doctors to give you injections of alpha lipoic acid. That is how an author of Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough book healed his patients that were dying after eating poisonous mushrooms.
In Reply to: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 15:11:57:
little bit first--a tiny bit won't kill you, right? I mean, even a little bit of poison is ok to ingest (isn't that what homeopath (sp?) is all about?). These mushrooms look way too many to be poisonous; I got the impression that poisonous ones are kind of rare and appear very colorful like pink and blue and red etc. Also, cooking perhaps will make them harmless.
Well, if for the next few days I don't post anything here, that means I'm poisoned. And I will remember R.'s anti-dose for liver failure.
In Reply to: Thanks, guys, for your suggestions; I think I am willing to try a posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 18:27:09:
about someone who killed off herself and her entire dinner party of guests. They had gone mushroom-hunting and supposedly knew what they were doing. Maybe not.
I hope you inform a friend or family member about what you plan to do, and carry your antidote and instructions on your person.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Thanks, guys, for your suggestions; I think I am willing to try a posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 18:27:09:
Well, Bing, the most common poisonous mushroom looks very much like those luscious white and buff one's you are coveting. The only difference is in a ring of tissue around the stalk, where the cap opened. Also, a little bit can kill, and it often takes many, many hours for the poison to manifest itself with symptoms. Then it's too late. But, good luck, and happy hunting!
In Reply to: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 15:11:57:
Bing,
I hope this post is a practical joke on your part. If not, you are asking for trouble.
There are people who are experienced in identifying mushrooms who have made fatal mistakes.
After the toxins destroy the liver, your only hope is a liver transplant.
In Reply to: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 15:11:57:
I found a detailed description and photos of a type called "death cap" that resembles what I saw in the woods, which is extremely deadly! Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't rush into tasting these shrooms too quickly. And wish I knew someone who is a mushroom expert.
Thanks, everybody.
In Reply to: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by bing on October 28, 2002 at 21:48:28:
Good! For a moment I thought that grains have claimed another one. :)
In Reply to: Re: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by Carol B. on October 28, 2002 at 20:38:54:
After the toxins destroy the liver, your only hope is a liver transplant.
That's what ignorant doctors would tell you. Read a book called Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough.
Of course, if liver is completely destroyed, then it's probably too late, and nothing would help.
In Reply to: Re: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? posted by Carol B. on October 28, 2002 at 20:38:54:
Thanks, Carol B.
Basically I think everyone wanting to harvest their own mushrooms MUST become an expert and carry a mushroom atlas with them when they go hunting. Evwen then one can get "caught". For those the following needs to be known:
It has now been discovered that large doses of alpha lipoic acid will save most of those with massive liver necrosis from mushroom poisoning.
Unfortunately, even though these successes were published in a major medical journal, because the solution did not require a perscription (was nutritional), few physicians have paid attention to it. I guess they would sooner "lay their finger along side their nose" and watch their patient die than learn something new.
Excuse me if I sound bitter.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? (Archive in liver.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 2002 at 08:52:20:
Hi Walt,
What is a massive dose of ALA? Does it help to take the ALA after the fact? When you say that it saves them, is it one giant oral dose that saves them, or do they need to take massive doses for the rest of their lives? Does it need to be IV? Would this work for alcoholics who have damaged their livers?
sorry for all the questions, but your post got me thinking...!
Thanks Walt
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In Reply to: Re: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? (Archive in liver.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 2002 at 08:52:20:
"I guess they would sooner "lay their finger along side their nose" and watch their patient die than learn something new"
That is almost exactly what happened to an author of a book called Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough. He was an intern in a hospital when he was given two patients who were dying from mushroom poisoning. He was told to watch them die. Instead, he did some research, found info on ALA, got some of it from CDC, gave it to the patients, and saved them. He was almost fired for not obeying orders.
Next time he was given dying patients (with the same problem), he specifically instructed not to do anything but watch them die.
In Reply to: Re: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by R. on October 29, 2002 at 01:34:53:
Aw, so R.'s logic is: grains=poisonous mushrooms. Hmm, doesn't sound right, does it? LOL
In Reply to: Re: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by bing on October 29, 2002 at 19:58:46:
I think he was suggesting that grains were causing poor judgment and insane risk-taking behavior... :)
I did not think you were serious! In fact, I thought it was a bing-troll.
Glad you came to your senses. :)
In Reply to: Re: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by Jan S. on October 29, 2002 at 20:12:24:
Oh, thank you, Jan. You must also be a technical type. He-he-he, bing :)
In Reply to: About liver necrosis... posted by labrat on October 29, 2002 at 10:16:11:
Hi, Labrat.
As I recall, in the study I saw, 1200 milligrams 3 times a day was used (orally). After about a week it was discontinued when the patient went home instead of to the funeral home.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Mushrooms in the woods; are they safe to eat? (Archive in liver.) posted by R. on October 29, 2002 at 15:26:14:
Thanks, R.
Humans are cussed creatures! Unfortunately when they also have a "license to kill" they have the power to allow their cussedness to kill people.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: About liver necrosis... posted by Walt Stoll on October 30, 2002 at 08:30:10:
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In Reply to: Thanks Walt...amazing!! nmi posted by labrat on October 30, 2002 at 09:27:01:
Labrat,
How are you doing? Do you feel any better since breaking your nose?
In Reply to: Re: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by R. on October 30, 2002 at 02:34:59:
R. as technical type? NO, wicked type more likely. And NO candy for you for being such a jerk today!!
In Reply to: Re: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by bing on October 30, 2002 at 22:05:00:
Long sigh... I have to apologize again... Must be the chicken or beef liver I ate recently that me so... devilish and foul... I will fast on grains and soy today.
In Reply to: Re: I just searched the web site suggested by "Complicated," and posted by R. on October 31, 2002 at 13:03:29:
Hmmm, liver...interesting. Do you serve it with fava beans and Cheante (sp?) and make that diabolical "hissing" sound before eating liver (in the fashion of Dr. Lector?) LOL
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