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I've been trying to figure out the rationale for using a "pack" instead using the castor oil directly. Why not just spread it right onto your skin like buttering a piece of toast :) ? The usual instructions are to saturate a piece of wool flannel with the castor oil and then place THAT on you skin. I DO use the wool flannel, but only after applying the oil - just to keep things neat - and then I top it off with the heating pad (plastic on the underside) and a pillow. Seems like for me, it's the same net effect: the castor oil gradually gets absorbed. And the heat helps to do that.
Perhaps the reason for saturating the flannel first is to make for slower absorption? I dunno... it certainly wastes a lot more oil that way. Thoughts??
In Reply to: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by Jan S. on December 12, 2002 at 18:51:03:
Hi Jan S.
My thoughts are that the pack supplies a continual supply of castor oil beyond the first layer. After you remove the flannel is your skin still very saturated and oily with the castor oil? If so I would think the effects are the same. I sometimes keep one on all night instead of the heating pad method and I'm wondering if I would soak up a single layer of oil much before I wake up.
best to you
thessa
In Reply to: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by Jan S. on December 12, 2002 at 18:51:03:
Shouldn't it be used with a hot water bottle? I think the heat is part of the solution. So maybe therefore pad, rather than hot rubber directly on skin.
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by thessa on December 13, 2002 at 03:58:14:
Can you describe the effects or beneifits you have recieved from the castor oil.
Thanks, Dahlimama
In Reply to: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by Jan S. on December 12, 2002 at 18:51:03:
Jan S.,
I found this link to an Edgar Cayce site. He is of course, the "horse's mouth" in this area, so I thought you might get some answers there.
How are the packs working for you?
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by Dahlimama on December 13, 2002 at 07:11:53:
I used them as part of a program to heal my gut - A pack over the entire abdomen while sleeping at night or for 1.5 hours with a heating pad 3-4 days in a row a week. It relieved bloating and IC symptoms and helped heal my gut over the long term.
Sometimes I go for a period of eating too much fat and my gallbladder gets uncomfortable, so again I use the pack over the abdomen, and adjust the fat in my diet of course.
I have used them on inflamed joints from overuse. For example my big toe had developed bursitis from playing volleyball. Sometimes my fingers ache from typing too much or again from volleyball and I use the packs to relieve pain and induce healing there.
Ricky has used it to heal a separated shoulder that he manually put back into place. He used the castor oil pack every night for 8 days and was able to move freely without pain.
Anybody else?
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by thessa on December 13, 2002 at 09:43:10:
My king size heating pad, cotton flannels(can't handle itchy wool)and castor oil arrived in the mail last week from the Cacye Store.
I plan to use the packs over the liver, right-colon, appendix and iliocecal valve area to aide in healing. For whatever reasons, this feels like it will be beneficial to me. Will report back as progress happens.
Am working to heal the LGS ... and all the conditions that have resulted from the LGS. Before the LGS was a LONG, particularly bleak 'dark night of the soul' ... It's pretty clear to me how I arrived here with LGS and a few other conditions and what's happening. For me, SR is FAR MORE than two 20 minute relaxation exercises--THANK YOU Dr. Stoll!, I'd forgotten. HAD REALLY FORGOTTEN! LOVE this website! LOL!---this site is summed up equally by "for eyes that can see", and persistent seed sowing---:D
Good Luck to you all,
and thanks for the encouragement!Always helpful to read results others are experiencing.
ellie
In Reply to: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by Jan S. on December 12, 2002 at 18:51:03:
Jan,
So far as I know absorbtion of the caster oil has absolutely nothing to do with how it works! Harvard has now studied how it works for at least 5 years and is no closer to the HOW than then were when they were faced with the fact that the caster oil packs DID work.
Why not just follow the protocol and get the benefits until someone figures out HOW it works?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by thessa on December 13, 2002 at 03:58:14:
Hi Thessa. I recall reading somewhere that using a pack all night while sleeping, without added heat, is the same effect as using one with heat for an hour or two, just slower.
Yes, my skin is about the same oiliness afterwards whether I used a cloth AND the oil directly, or just the cloth. It is somewhat oily indicating that I used a sufficient quantity. So that's why I do tend to think the net effect is the same!
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by been there on December 13, 2002 at 04:27:11:
Hi been there. I do use a heating pad. Things are layered in this order, from bottom to top: skin, castor oil, flannel, plastic sheet, heating pad cover, heating pad, pillow. So my skin is protected. The advantage to a heating pad is that the hot water bottle cools too quickly and does not maintain the consistent, hot temperature needed.
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics (Archive in liver.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 14, 2002 at 09:40:45:
Thanks, Walt.
You said, Why not just follow the protocol and get the benefits until someone figures out HOW it works?
Well, basically I am following it.... All I was questioning is HOW to apply the oil since it was looking like this could get quite expensive, using half a bottle each time.
Now that I've delved into this a bit more, it's making more sense. You actually need not use such great quantities of the oil, since you store the oil-soaked cloth. The oil itself does not go bad, so you can re-use it many times. (until the cloth becomes soiled -- then you wash it and start with new oil). Some versions of the protocol DO have you apply some oil directly, I found. While this is not from the horse's mouth, it is a minor re-reading of the readings, :) I now think.
Also the importance of the cloth is clear to me now - it is believed that the cloth helps to carry off toxins which are drawn to the skin surface and would otherwise be re-absorbed.
So far as I know absorbtion of the caster oil has absolutely nothing to do with how it works! Harvard has now studied how it work for at least 5 years and is no closer to the HOW than then were when they were faced with the fact that the caster oil packs DID work.
Interesting. I just have to wonder how you concluded that the oil absorption has nothing to do with how it works?? Must have been some dynamite studies they did, because it's not so easy to definitively exclude a factor when the mechanism is otherwise declared to be unknown. So just call me a bit confused on this!
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics (Archive in liver.) posted by Jan S. on December 14, 2002 at 19:05:20:
Hi, Jan.
Keep thinking.
The reason I have come to the conclusions I have reached is that the blood supply to the skin over the liver and the liver are TOTALLY separate. If absorbing the oil had anything to do with it, the skin circulation would carry it far from the liver long before any could get to the liver--the same with removing toxins.
I think it will finally be found to be related to the aura of the caster oil and the aura of the liver and this is why Harvard has been having such a hard time figuring it out. It is outside the allopathic paradigm for the aura to exist.
Time will tell. The effect is too powerful for the mechanism to be totally and forever beyond our understandng.
Walt
In Reply to: some insight... posted by labrat on December 13, 2002 at 09:17:38:
hi labrat. Thanks for the link.
It seems to be working well for what I'm doing. I first considered doing castor oil packs recently, when someone told me it was helping her get to sleep at night. Indeed it does help greatly for me too. (A storm going on in my bodymind keeps me up at night.) There could be some placebo effect because of the ritual & mystique around it all... but whatever works.
Then my doctor told me there was something wrong in my liver (liver death tests). This clicked with me because often I feel a yucky surging feeling in that area (liver heat?).
Beyond this I don't know if the packs are helping in any way but symptomatically - but I do them anyway. The doctor did rule out the worst (hepatitis). Liver detox profile results are to come, as my doctor agreed to do it. I suppose I could just forego the test, assuming that wellness will take care of things eventually, but since it's my liver I don't want to mess around. Also the liver detox profile is supposed to give you various courses of action to help your liver. Depending on which pathways are dysfunctional, the same thing that would help, would harm someone else and vice versa. So I figure the test will be another tool of practical use. Long way around to explain my answer - yes to some extent it's helping whatever it's helping! best wishes
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by ellie on December 13, 2002 at 11:15:32:
In my family, we use the castor oil packs at the first sign of any severe stomach discomfort. With the kids, they are always exposed to stomach viruses etc. At the first sign of pain or nausea, we place the pack with a hot water bottle on top for the evening. It truly has been a miracle. On more than one occasion, one of the girls would go to bed in agony and wake up totally refreshed and ready to take on the day. I can also testify that one morning I was sure I was coming down with something, did the pack and a few hours later was as good as new. Try it next time you feel a virus coming on.
In Reply to: Re: Castor oil packs - logistics posted by cindy on December 16, 2002 at 14:02:45:
Thanks, Cindy.
Namaste`
Walt
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