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but not without a fight.
My female hound started slowing down Real bad. She has a
breast tumor that she has had for 3 yrs and when I managed
to get her to a vet, he said her breasts were infected
because they had a discharge. I thought it was a false
pregancy but had never seen it before so gave her the
antibiotics. I Should have insisted he operate anyway since
I don't function well in the daytime and it is really
hard to get out and I didn't know when I would again but
the guy has no personality and my brain locks up when I
talk to him so I didn't get to explain my situation but
then he thought antibiotics might help.. The tumor has grown
very slowly till the last few mo and her being 12 now plus
her being an Extremely difficult member of a difficult
breed and my tending to let nature take its course unless
something critical happens, I figured it might be best to
let nature do what it will but the bitch got sweet on me
and looks pitiful looking like she needs a walker and the
breed move like cats.
I have tried many things the past few yrs and not sure if
anything has helped. Maybe they did by the slow growth of
the tumor but there are new things like the slowness to
deal with. Some ideas have helped but not a lot and then she
started to get skinny on me. Wasn't bad at first since she
was always a little heavy for the extremely lean breed she
is but I don't want her to fade away on me without trying
things. Since tripe fixed up my male hound that came to
me Extremely lean though he had the agility and energy of
2 of them I decided to give it a try on her. It only took
a few days to get him up to normal weight so I have a few
days to see if it will work on her but it has made her move
better which I didn't expect and I am looking for the green
tripe that is green because it still has the grass and
bacteria in it that is supposed to be better than the
cleaned tripe I have fed but it might not be needed.
I trying different supps I gave her zinc and knowing that
they say that copper should be taken with it though when I
took it to solve problems, copper did nothing extra or
for me but Decided to search before I gave it in case I
found something that said it was the wrong thing to give.
I read that copper can make tumors Grow and cuting it
could stop the growth so the pill went back in the bottle.
Figured I would have to make her food and find out what
foods had the least copper but wondered if I gave more
zinc, could that imbalance to any copper in her food act
like I cut it. Didn't make sense but there in the abstract
I read that increasing zinc above a certain amount Blocks
the absorption of copper so increased the amount. Sure would
be nice if it made the tumor shrink. I'n not expecting it
but it Would be something if it did. Stoping the growth
would be great. My male developed a tumor on a skin tag
that looked pretty nasty but one day it was Gone. I don't
know if the cayenne/salt I just applied a few times did it
or he bit it off but it hasn't come back for a yr now.
I may have gotten a tip on a vet that is better than my
2nd choce since my first moved far from me. A freind told
me about one who saved his dog from an Extreme LGS since
the dog ate a tennis ball and it punctured the intestimes
and they were leaking into the internal cavities. They
think it was happeing for 2 weeks and I was told they took
the intestines out to flush them. Might be the kind of
vet I need but hopefully not.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
I can imagine your grief, knowing you are loosing a good friend. You could try spirulina and flor essence, it is supposed to help in reducing tumors.
Earlier this year when I lost my Moon Moon I was devastated. I still miss him and have dedicated my latest book, Life is a Leaky Bucket( Amazon.com)to his memory.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Hi Vince
If it were me I would put her on a raw food diet (if she's not on it already), then I would add a blood cleansing herbal formula like this one (click on the second link in the table, Blood Stream Formula)
Make sure to find the part on breast cancer in the pop up window, which says this:
"Breast Cancer: When there is any problem with the breast, and this should be noticed early, we use the fomentation of 3 parts mullein and one part lobelia [Mullein & Lobelia] over the affected area. It may be taken internally as well. Many Indian tribes have used a fomentation of poke root externally to draw out the cancer. As with all cancers, they begin in the blood stream and radiate out to other parts of the body where they are manifested. The Red Clover Combination can be used to purify the bloodstream, the nutrient transport system of the body. Cysts and tumors will not grow in an atmosphere where there is enough potassium. Elderberry tincture can be taken for potassium increase along with foods that are high in potassium. [NL 4-2] "
Black walnut tincture is also high in potassium, if you can't find elderberry. The tinctures can also be rubbed directly on any outward cancerous growth as well as taken internally. The above blood cleansing formula is similar to the Hoxsey cancer formula.
Enjoy your time with her no matter what her fate!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by thessa on November 11, 2003 at 02:29:13:
raw food sounds interesting, but some are not for dogs- brassicas- broccoli, cauliflower, spinach,cabbage, brussels sprouts are harmful to dogs,, My dogs love carrots and I've had many that liked salad.
I tend to think of dogs as natural carnivores, and wonder if typical dog food, with all it's garbos might be bad for them. Like us, if eating meat, it should probably be organic and, like wild animals, it should probably be raw. The hormones and antibiotics in meat are probably not good for dogs. If you can't afford to buy her organic meat, maybe you could trap her some wild rabbits.
There are good natural health care books for dogs, one author is Pitcairn.
Remember, vaccines mess up immune systems. Don't get her any more, except the legally required rabies shot and, in years to come, as new dogs come into your life ( probably the reincarnations of the ones you loved in the past), you might avoid all but rabies vaccines for them too.
Pitcairn has recipes for natural diets for dogs.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by maire on November 11, 2003 at 05:03:30:
Good point maire. There are many types of raw food diets floating around. All that I'm aware of focus on raw meat as the main ingredient. The argument seems to be whether to add grains/veggies and how much. Personally I mix up mainly raw meat, with some nutritional yeast, garlic and shredded carrots for my cat. Sometimes I'll throw in a tsp of cooked grains if I have some in the fridge, or other types of veggies if around. I remembered the hard way that parsley is a no-no for cats... poor thing vomited for days when she ate anything raw even if it didn't contain parsley and I had to keep her on dry food for a while.
Of course organic meat without hormones is the way to go.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Zarin on November 10, 2003 at 21:35:12:
Well, loosing my last girl devastated me since my male was
failing and she was So sweet and easy to live with and
should have lived a few more years and I thought about how
easy life would be after he went since he was a handfull
when healthy or ill but it wasn't meant to be that way and
I replaced her with my current girl and had to to ease the
pain and stop the drinking that was the only thing that
got me through since I was crushed. His girl is related to
my last male so probably what makes her a Lot of work. He
was Super lovable which made up for the crazy things he did
but this girl is a handful in every way and wants what She
wants, When she wants it and has made life Work for someone
who can barely and I tried to return her to her breeder
since she was wearing me out but she asked me to give her
more time and it would have been worse without any and
I learned some things along the way from her.
As much of a pain in the butt she has been she can still
make me happy at times. The others usually offer something
in return for what they want but she doesn't so it is too
one sided. The males usually make me laugh after I curse
them for the problems they cause but this girl has her Own
mind but like they say, it is better to have loved and
lost... I just don't want to loose her before I think I
should. I'll keep trying things and have some tripe thawed
that I'm gona sprinkle a little cayenne on. That might FIRE
her Up... Might make her flame out but will have to see.
Thinking of taking a break from these hounds when these 2
pass on to see if I can get things done SO I can fix my
house and build the one I want so I can have a Dozen. That
would be like a barrel of monkeys and pure Insanity but for
me would be the way to go out. Laughing, cursing, and crying
Thanks, I'll look for the book...
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by thessa on November 11, 2003 at 02:29:13:
I usually gave them some raw food but only when I thought
of it or had something I was cooking and gave them some
first. I remember as a kid eating some raw ground meat that
my mother was mixing up to make meatballs or mloaf. It
tasted good but I only wanted a little.
The tripe I gave them was raw and also the chicken livers.
Ummm... Maybe some raw or even cooked beef liver and
beef heart, and kidney.. I have been lucky to figure out
problems with them fairly easily even if it did take time
but the problems usually weren't critical. I just hate
loosing an animal before their time and these guys Usually
reach the mid teens and don't slow till the end.
Thanks...
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by thessa on November 11, 2003 at 05:10:42:
Cats are more carnivorus than dogs but I give both foods to
my hounds and try to think about what they need or go by
their interest. I go by if a food upsets them in any way.
Hard for me to feed something that upsets them in any way
even if it would help them. I have a hard time accepting
that.
If you try rnough things, sometimes you hit the right
ones so I'll keep trying. I like fast results since that is
the only way I can tell that I am doing something that I
can't fully understand that it is right.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Vince F, It is the hardest thing I think to do, say goodby to and an old friend..I found it easier to say goodby to my parents than one of our pets..If it helps you, know that all of us pet lovers go through the same thing..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by maire on November 11, 2003 at 05:03:30:
Someone posted a link to BARF as a natural diet for our furry friends. Rather than having to guess what might be
right, maybe you could use the diet and modify it for the problems your dog is having.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Steve on November 11, 2003 at 08:20:10:
You found it easier to say goodbye to your parents, than your dog???? OMG, Steve! Did you not have a good relationship with your parents? Just curious.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Bliss on November 11, 2003 at 08:48:39:
Bliss, Yes I had a great relationship with my parents..But the dog was always their to greet me when I came home, glad to see me, never got mad at me when I did something wrong, never raised it's voice at me and when it did something bad was so sorry..those big brown eyes would plead for forgiveness..The dog we have now is a kind and gentle soul..She is 9 now and when she goes it will rip my guts out..Then after a couple months we will get another one..Werid huh? Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog - BARF posted by Gregory on November 11, 2003 at 08:29:17:
Gregory, That is an excelent link..Thanks for the tip..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Sorry to hear you might be losing someone special. I know how hard that must feel.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Steve on November 11, 2003 at 08:20:10:
Steve, This girl has been a Lot of work so the feelings are
mixed except when I feel she is failing. I won't get poked
in the ribs when she lays next to me and I won't have to
raise my voice to get her to do something I want or need. I
kept her even though she made life a Lot harder and she
can make me feel bad for her when she didn't feel good. She
more than my easy to get along with male makes me think I
need to wait before replacing them when I go but they are
the breed I like and I know they aren't easy in any way so
it is my choice and I love a challenge which they are so
will do what I can and for her and accept what happens.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by JJJ on November 11, 2003 at 12:14:22:
It is harder because I can't do what I used to do so fate
is making things harder but I'll learn from the experience
and hopefully it will help with the next one. This and
seeing injured animals at the park has me thinking of
wildlife rescue and rehab. Should do all kinds of animals
so have to look into it.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 11, 2003 at 16:38:38:
Hi, Vince -
You sound like such a kind-hearted person! I know what it's like to lose pets, especially dogs. I now have one which is 6 years old, and I'm already starting to hear ads saying that he is a "senior". I hope they're wrong.
Your idea of rescuing is really a good one. Any dog or cat, or anything else that is rescued by you would be one lucky animal!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by first Janet on November 11, 2003 at 16:45:08:
Janet, I hate to say I could have strangled her tonite.)
I'm resurecting a monster.. She wouldn't listen and get out
of my way and I droped comgeled dripings from the liver I
cooked for her because she wanted it so bad after I gave
her some cooked and raw along with her other foodS. I
Guess she is geting stronger. I'm Recreating a moster. I
Must be a masochist. ))) I made up with her after I calmed
down after cleaning the carpet.. Can't really blame her
but wish her mind had TWO tracks. Now she wants attention
and doesn't take No for an answer.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
the pain in the butt is perking up. Gave her some raw and
cooked liver. raw egg, and the usually kibble, bread,
peperoni and cheese. Gave her some Fava beans since they
have madicional benefits for parkinsons and maybe her slow
or stiff movement is from something they can help. I hope
it all says down and doesn't come out too fast. No weight
gain yet but she is geting back to being a pain in the butt.
Guess she will always be, one way or another and I'm trying
to extend her time.. Fun...
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Sorry to hear about your dog.
Perhaps you should take a HARD and OBJECTIVE look at what you're feeding your hounds? Vanilla sandwich cookies, bread, etc. are NOT what the doctor ordered for dogs. Just a suggestion.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vet tech on November 11, 2003 at 23:57:33:
I think her short heats whenever she was stressed is
probably what caused the tumor since she had many and she
would have one when we moved to a sick parents house and
Again when moving back home so not normal stresors that i
would have desensitized her to like, many others I have
dealt with with pets.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vet tech on November 11, 2003 at 23:57:33:
I should say that I give very small portions of things
that I don't think they really need. I left them out all
nite and just in case that stressed them I shared a
cream filled cookie that I wanted. I had half and they
got 1/4 ea. A taste since they were in my face. I'll eat
many of them if I want to but don't know that they should
but don't think it will hurt them and if they could they
would probably eat a 2lb bag since animals eat for today
and don't worry about tomorrow.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 11, 2003 at 22:11:45:
I know that "they" say to only give dogs dog food (some say raw meat only?), but I always mix some of my dinner in with my dog's food. don't you think that dogs are a lot like people? Some will live to be 21 (rare, I know) being given nothing but table food; others will die of a heart attack or something else no matter how carefully they are fed and cared for. To me, my dog is part of the family, and I want him to enjoy his short life. He hates dry dog food and even if mixed with the best of canned dog food. He likes a variety. Even a tablespoonful of whatever I am eating makes all the difference and he really enjoys his meal.
Of course, he is very spoiled! I have had many dogs but this one has given me the most enjoyment because I have finally learned to "speak his language" :-)
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Sorry to hear this Vince...it's always so hard to lose a friend.
Look online for "green tripe" and there is a company who will deliver it frozen...I can't remember the name right off the top of my head, but you should be able to find a source on line.
Sounds like she's had a good long life! That's worth a lot.
Hope everything goes well.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Vince- one concern I have about organ meats like liver, is that they are a filtering organ for all the poisons that get into the body. When they come from an antibiotic,hormone fed animal, I'm afraid they might have a higher concentration of the bad stuff than the rest of the meat would.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by maire on November 12, 2003 at 10:17:50:
Hi maire,
Here's my understanding of the process...the liver "filters" things chemically, not physically like a sponge, so in fact, it doesn't hold a bunch of toxins its tissues.
The liver and kidneys filter blood by releasing chemicals that react with the waste and toxins in the blood and converting them to a mostly inert substance, which can then be *excreted* in either feces or urine.
If we were to continue "storing" toxins in our organs, we wouldn't last for very long!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by doglover on November 12, 2003 at 12:16:45:
In Reply to: Enough Conjecture: How The Liver Works posted by Gregory on November 12, 2003 at 12:26:20:
That helps a lot. I eat a lot of liver myself, and feel that it is confusing to people who picture a sponge with a bunch of dirty stuff in it...the liver isn't like that, and your article explains it fairly well!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by first Janet on November 12, 2003 at 07:52:27:
my guys come Prespoiled, even if abused like some have been
before I got them. As long as the things I give them
don't upset them they will some and usually just a little
since I want it. ) I look at them and then the food and if
the food ir Real good I hate to give any up but I will since
they enjoy it. I try to give them things I think they might
need and will give them some whole kernel corn if I am
having it but Have to mash is since they don't chew small
things so it comes out the way it went in. I think they
enjoy it and even if not, I enjoy their eagerness and
animated actions. If I want them to eat more kibble I put
veggie oil on it. I haven't in a while and will now to make
sure my skinny girl eats more. They eat from the same bowl
and self feed so hard to tell.
Picked up some kidney since I don't remember how old the
ones in the freezer are so they will enjoy them and I got
more liver to Pump Her Up. It worked on a malnourshied one
I got so worth a try. They have gotten these things before
but they don't get them if they don't seem to need them
unless I eat them.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 12, 2003 at 17:49:49:
I do the same thing, Vince! I hate giving up some of my dinner when it's really good, but I feel guilty if I don't let him have some (with his own food). And I also put in a little vegetable oil if he hasn't eaten the food by the time evening comes (I feed him twice a day, but he is a perfect weight and seems to know just how much to eat for his size because he neither gains nor loses). Then if he still doesn't eat, the next time I feed him (a new dish of food) I add some shredded cheese, which he loves but does get tired of - spoiled? YES! Then, I alternate and sometimes put in a half piece of toast. I'm sure your dogs are very happy just having you as their master, who understands them and loves them so very much!
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by maire on November 12, 2003 at 10:17:50:
I used to think that the liver stored toxins or something
like that but then wouldn't we get sick by eating it ? I
would never feed a lot of something a small part of an
animal that would be eaten and use that as a guide as to
how much to feed and I always try to err on the side of
caution and See what happens and what to do next.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by first Janet on November 12, 2003 at 18:02:21:
I don't think some dogs can overeat. My guys can't gorge
themselves and their abdomen is tucked up. Being hunters
they may not have developed the ability or need to gorge.
It is funny that All I have to do is give them a taste of
what I am eating and they are content so as much as they
pester me, a little is enough.
Adding cheese reminds me of a friends dog who when they gave him
spagetti he wouldn't eat it till they put grated cheese on
it. He was 14 when I first met him and lived a few yrs
longer. My friend and I laugh every time we talk about him.
He was a character.
Toast is good, though I have been told that bread isn't
good for them by a few people. They only get a slice between
the 2 but will stand to look into the bowl before I put it
down and I make them dance a little anticipating it and
it's all that has to be extra for them to attack it. For me
the kibble is there for them to eat after they eat what I
add. They will eat it if hungry and my female just slowed
but my male who is 13 hasn't slowed yet and still knocks
things over as he launches from the kitchen.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 12, 2003 at 22:25:11:
Thanks for making me laugh, Vince! (the dog who insisted on having grated parmesan on his spaghetti). Glad to know that your dogs have done so well - they are now senior citizens and must be treated with respect! :-) I see all kinds of canned dog food for "seniors" and wonder what the difference, if any, is - probably not as much fat? Most of them have rice in them. My dog has a year to go before he is considered to be a senior - I'm not listening to them, though, because he still is a puppy to me - runs around and plays, etc.
In Reply to: Enough Conjecture: How The Liver Works posted by Gregory on November 12, 2003 at 12:26:20:
Thanks, Gregory.
Basically correct but not up to the current date.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by first Janet on November 13, 2003 at 06:25:18:
I like breeds that stay puppylike till they get feeble. A
Lot more work but lots of fun. I guess they have to fit the
owner.
If males had something like female dogs when in heat I
might be able to get Marnie tap dancing. When she went in
heat when my last male who had had a stroke 2 yrs before
and looked like he needed a walker was around. he bounced
around like he used to and made a pest of himself. I was
Amazed to see him moving like that again. He went into a
coma a month later so it must have burned him out bit was
fun to watch.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Finally tracked down, Solid Gold green tripe and have to
give it a try. Everyone who feeds tripe Claims that the
cleaned one won't do anything which is NOT my experience.
The tissue should Still have digestive enzymes in it even
if cleaned and the grass and acids don't seem like they
will do all that much though enzymes are probably in the
acids but I Have to try it to see or I will always wonder.
I contacted a friend of the breeder and she said that
breast tumors have been common in Marnie's littermates so
it is probably genetic and her often short heats probably
didn't help as my limits didn't. Could have lost her in the
surgery that I wanted to have done soeverything is a
gamble and I may have had more of her torture as things have
gone.
I did learn that polyunsaturated oils are said to stop
the wasting from cancer and AIDS so have to start adding it
again which I did before finding out to get her to eat more.
Wish they could take it by spoon.
In Reply to: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 10, 2003 at 19:37:29:
Hi Vince,
if your dog can eat cottage cheese (you gave thyem strange staff all ready), check Dr. Budwig's cancer cure(curezone has it too). May be, just may be it can help.
Matylda.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Matylda on November 13, 2003 at 18:55:57:
I tried Budwigs and can't say that it did anything. I
thought about the cheese but since I feed cheese I passed
on it for organ meats that I was after and now have the
Green tripe. I may do the cheese since I Will exhaust
Every idea and learn whatever it teaches me. Doing Vit E
and polyunsaturated veggie oil and extra zinc. I have been
lucky with many other cures for me and them but some take
an incident to trigger an idea that works.
In Reply to: Re: Might be loosing my dog posted by Vince F on November 13, 2003 at 11:27:52:
Hi, Vince.
Try an Airdale some time.
Namaste`
Walt
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