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In Reply to: liver flush today despite a few unresolved issues; Re: re: kidney flush - Leon posted by leon cavallo on September 26, 2000 at 13:44:46:
Hi Leon,
I did a search for you and found another webpage that gives Hulda Clark's directions. I hope you see this post in time for your liver cleanse
Let us know how it went.
Rosemarie
http://www.asktom-naturally.com/cleanse.html
In Reply to: Re: liver flush today - Leon posted by Rosemarie on September 26, 2000 at 18:01:21:
NMI
In Reply to: Re: liver flush today - Leon (archive in Liver.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 28, 2000 at 09:47:57:
hello
thank you Rosemarie...i got that info in time ! really appreciate that youtookt he time and effort to look that up for me ! evry nice of you.
i did not follow the directed schedule exactly, because i usually do no fall asleep until about 3 or 4 am, so i pushed the entire procedure back until later in the day.
however, because of that, and because i seem to have no tollerance for going without food (i seem to be sensitive even to small blood sugar changes, etc.) i had to eat breakfast and lunch and a little more (all day: well cooked brown rice, well cooked beans, a little chicken breast-- no fat at all!) before it was the evening time to begin the flush.
even after that, only three hours into the program, i was so weak and shaky from not eating ! i have never ben able to go much more than four hours without food. by seven hours, i was considering giving up so i could eat, because i was , well, on the verge of just dropping onto the floor !
i used a good attitude and got through it and after eight hours with no food and after taking the epson salt/water mixture, it seemed like i was no longer yearning for food...still terribly weak and with a headache, but its like the metabolism kicked down.
THEN< the next problem was that if i took the ornithine capsules, i knew i wouldnt have been able to sleep at all, because gelatin capsules always are a big problem for me.
I had to empty the ornithine into a little water and drink that just before i drank the olive oil/grapefruit juice/black walnut. i hope the ornithine in water didnt hinder the progress of the mixture to the liver.
i went right to bed.
after four hours, i woke up, with a little nausea, but fell back to sleep easily.
woke up again after four more hours and drank the next dose of epson salts/water. but then i couldnt sleep...my heart began beating hard and fast, as it often will when i seem to encounter a chemical i cant tollerate. perhaps i began to have trouble with the impure epson salts. who knows?
i rested some more...then had to go to the bathroom...was mostly like diahrea (never had to spell that word before!). i saw a lot of rice fragments and little particles, but i dont know if there was anything that was really a little stone...
i was quite surprised that the olive oil/grapefruit tasted so gooD !!!! i have had olive oil to drink before in smaller doses, so i knew what that was like. however, i have never before tasted grapefruit (fruit has never been much of my diet, especially since candida). it was SOOOO sweet to me (but everything is sweet to me now ). the taste of the epson salt was something else, but not nearly as bad as some of the other things i have tasted in the pursuit of wellness.
i would do this again and hope to be able to comply fully with the schedule and program and hope for good results, but i cant really see a time when i could either go to sleep so early OR go so long without food... i dunno
interestingly, now, under my eyes, i have a few new spots of what are know as liver fire spots in chinese medicine (they are the reddish/brownish spots that appear around the bottom eyelid and dont stay long), but also more vericose veins on the nose today...but i know i do have that problem of bracing in the head/neck that Dr Stoll suggested the other day...
in fact i have realized that no matter how many times i relax my muscles, everytime i move or begina new activity, i involuntarily return to this strange, tight position with my head/neck/shoulders... i think my body is still in a state of reaction to my severe car accident in 1994. the cells remember !
Hello again.
Lately I have been very active about trying to find another approach to work with the other things we are doing to heal
(including taking your advice, Dr. Stoll, to try to find a Biofeedback practitioner to check out my SR practice...so far cant find someone in the Buffalo, Ny area or outside).
At this same time, some things are getting markedly worse. About my face, things continue to develop. Vericose veins are suddenly appearing there-- a few on my nose and one in the middle of my left cheek (in adition to the other symptoms about the face of severe burining and blackness under the eyes and eternal "congestion" above the nose/sinuses).
As well, now I am light headed ALL the time with spontaneous bouts of dizziness that keep me from being able to walk or move around temporarily. It's like feeling a sudden SLAM and not being in any control for a few minutes. In addition, i am now nearly ALWAYS feeling the symptoms that I used to feel in an environment with strong nasty chemicals (like a brand new car, etc).
I am afraid that what I have been treating with an ongoing, wellness, healing program could turn into a problem requiring some "acute attention." (Some people whom i dont know that well but who were with me in public when I had one little spell, thought that i was fainting and asked about taking me to the hospital.) I think if that were to happen, I would refuse to go to the hospital bc I am afraid they would kill me there with all their chemicals ! (One of the things they might do is insert an IV of sugar water, right ? Since there is almost no sugar in my diet and since an unripe banana causes my head to spin and my eyes to burn immediately, i hate to think of what might happen with an infusion of glucose !)
Anyway, in all seriousness, I went throught the archives and came to the liver flush in the face of a vericose vein problem. However, the info directs you to do a kidney cleanse first. Following the links to the kidney cleanse leads to a page that isnt there anymore. Is there a kidney cleanse thats recommended ? I have found many all over the internet, but they are so different and of unknown value of safety.
Any thoughts ? Thanks very much.
In Reply to: symptoms about the face/head continue to get worse. Dr. Stoll ? posted by leon cavallo on September 21, 2000 at 14:05:53:
Hi, Leon.
I do not know anything about a "kidney flush". I have had people do a successful liver cleanse, castor oil packs, etc. without ever doing a kidney flush.
Your symptoms sound like head and neck "bracing" which COULD be related to MCS. If you knew the functional anatomy of the head and neck, you would soon see how your exact symptoms would be created by bracing. If there is no one in your area who can test you with biofeedback, I would suggest your getting your own (GSR)and testing yourself.
Since you would only need the machine for a month or so, even if you had to use it for training--beyond testing your technique--you could then sell it for about $50 less than you paid for it new. OR, you might be able to find a used one by posting a note on the BB.
Hope this helps. By the way, if you have not had a good evaluation by a neurologist, it would help to get one. There ARE more serious things that can cause this.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: symptoms about the face/head continue to get worse. Dr. Stoll ? posted by Walt Stoll on September 23, 2000 at 09:56:16:
thank you very much Dr Stoll. i always appreciate your insight so much !
i will go ahead with the liver flush without regard to a kidney cleanse.
head and neck bracing...i know i used to do this all the time before i began treatment with my chiropractor. i know also that i was doing it from the time of my neck injury in the car accident (1994) until just last year...maybe i am still doing it too...and i bet that would explain why i often wake up with my eyes CLENCHED shut. I will acquaint myself with the functional anatomy of the head and neck.
Thanks also for the great idea about the biofeedback machine acquisition and re-sale!
i will seek out a neurologist for evaluation. I am interested in the other, more serious, possible things that could cause this. i will hae to look into it.
i really appreciate your insight!
In Reply to: Re: symptoms about the face/head continue to get worse. Dr. Stoll ? posted by leon cavallo on September 24, 2000 at 01:05:01:
In case you didn't know, it is Hulda Clark author of "The Cure for All Diseases" who says you MUST do a kidney flush before doing a liver flush. I've had her book for many years and did all that way back. But it is very involved and time consuming and in all my years of reading this kind of stuff I've never come across anyone else that said it was necessary to do a kidney flush first.
Rosemarie
In Reply to: re: kidney flush - Leon posted by Rosemarie on September 24, 2000 at 18:35:01:
thank you again Rosemarie ! it sounds like you dont have much to report about the benefits of the flush procedures you did way bacj when.
i am doing the liver flush today, even though i am still unclear about a few things. the instructions i have do not suggest when to take the Ornithine (to help sleep. i could only find ornithine WITH arginine, so i hope thats ok. also, i could not find drops of HCl to "sterilize" the olive oil...) well, we will see i guess. i will let everyone know.
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