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Simply, is it possible for regular (monthly) self-administered enemas to suddenly cause severe pain in liver area (inside right rib cage) which has been with me for 3.5 weeks, much worse when I sit down and moved from back to side to front of liver area? Many thanks.
In Reply to: Liver pain posted by Anon on September 24, 2001 at 12:36:15:
Are you sure this is liver pain on simply bloating caused by the enema? Many people become bloated after administering an enema, especially if they have a spastic colon. If this is the case, take 6 caps of activated charcoal in the morning. Repeat again at night.
If your liver is giving you trouble, I would have it checked out. Some steps that I would take to help the health of my liver would be the following:
1) Don't drink alcohol
2) Take Milk thistle, lecithin, Lipase enzymes
3) Glutathione detoxifies the liver. It can be taken intravenously or naturally raised in the body by taking 600mg 2x a daily of N-acetyl-Cysteine.
4) Following the dietary recommendations at www.mercola.com is a great place to start for diet clean-up. when you've learned all you can, you can take another step up by going to www.westonaprice.org and learning all you can from there.
5) Since constipation can make liver problems worse, make sure you are having at least 1 12-inch bowel movement per day. If not, take steps to increase BM. I can help further if this is a problem
Take care
In Reply to: Re: Liver pain posted by Helping you on September 25, 2001 at 00:36:28:
Thanks for responding- you are very thoughtful. I am waiting for scan and blood results re my liver- which generally take an age in the U.K.
I have a herbal liver tonic, which includes the ingredients you mention, standing by for when my body tells me to take it. I don't drink alcohol. I do feel that my body is saying eat some red meat! Generally my diet is veg and fruit and sometimes fish, sometimes a coarse cereal, no bread but rice cakes and butter. I have been having acupuncture for past 18 months I am a wood type- liver meridian being treated. My colon has been xrayed and it's fine. Constipation started last 6 months, now food not being digested but eliminated whole. So feel I'm not getting nutritional value from it. Pain is in liver area started at back under ribs, moved to side and then to front, more painful if I try to sit down. Was excruciating requiring emergency hospital admission, now has diffused to liver area in general and is bearable, though stops me doing most things, even reading. Scan showed no gall stones and no enlargement. Think, possibly abscess? Have to wait another week. Have stopped enemas on doc's say so (who is rather old fashioned!)
Many thanks for listening.
In Reply to: Re: Liver pain posted by Anon on September 26, 2001 at 02:45:36:
I believe I have some suggestions and considerations that may help you.
Your gallbladder is most likely involved in this as well. If your gallbladder is full of stones, your digestion will be horrible and your liver will be stagnant. Liver/gallbladder problems are often treated together (in holistic medicine) becauase one directly affects the other. Lets see what your liver results show. But, consider having an ultra sound for stones. If you don't want to go that route, you can always try a liver/gallbladder flush. The protocol is very simple. It is most likely in the archives. If you cannot find it, I will dictate it to you. This flush can get out gallstones.
Next, in regards to your diet, your body really does know best. You are probably craving red meat because you actually need it! The course cereal grains may be damaging your small intestinal vili. These finger-like structures are responsible for digesting and assimilating your food. If you could unfold this area, and lay it out flat, it would cover an entire tenis court. Grains need to be soaked, sprouted or leavened before being consumed. Same with nuts, seeds, and legumes. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors never had acess to many of these foods. our genes are still that of hunter-gatherers. This would exclude the use of legumes, grains, underground vegetables, and some fruits like bananas. However, our agriculturist ancestors DID thrive on a small amount of grain and legume in their diet but they didn't eat them the way we do today. These cultured soaked their grains, sprouted them or leavened them to nuetralize and remove potent enzyme inhibitors. These enzyme inhibitors prevent our enzyme systems from breaking the food down and we end up injuring our intestinal lining. keep in mind also that we are not herbivores nor carnivores. Herbivores have up to 4 stomachs and a very long digestive tract to process the vegetation. They produce cellulase in their digestive system, which breaks down the fiber in vegetation. Carnivores have but one stomach. They secrete a lot of hydrochloric acid for the breakdown of flesh. Their colons are very short. This prevents the flesh from putrefying in their colons. We, as humans, are a mix. we are omnivores. we are capable of breaking down animal foods but not to the extent of carnivores. We can break down vegetation but not the extent of herbivores. Therefore, it makes sense that our diets include foods from both the plant and animal kingdom. It would make sense to include a wide variety of foods that include: Beef, Lamb, organ meats, Game, Chicken, Free-range eggs from pasture-fed animals, Vegetables (limiting underground vegetables but not eliminating them), low-sugar fruits, Lacto-fermented foods as fruits, vegetables, meats, condiments and maybe raw dairy (from Goats) and properly-prepared nuts, seeds, legumes and grains.
For a great detailed explaination of the above ideas, please go to www.westonaprice.org. I suggest, while at that site, you purchase a book called "Nourishing Traditions" by Sally Fallon. It contains recipes that practice the correct use of these foods. Also, you may find www.mercola.com of interest as well. His food program is excelent.
I suggest you take a good-quality plant enzyme formula with meals until your digestion is back to normal again.
Once you are not injuring your digestion with those foods, and you are on your way to healing, you may want to add some L-glutamine and a Probiotic called Primal Defense. L-glutamine heals the lining of the intestinal tract. Primal Defense repairs the small intestinal vili and returns balance to the micoorganism population of your intestines. Primal Defense can be found at www.crohns.net although it can be found in other places. L-glutamine should be in powdered form and it should state "100% Pure Pharmacuetical grade L-glutamine). Start with 500mg to 1000mg per day. you can safely increase to 10g per day (in divided doses). Follow the directions for Primal Defense. i hope this information helps you
In Reply to: Re: Liver pain posted by Helping you on September 26, 2001 at 11:24:30:
Many thanks again. I have had an ultrasound scan and am waiting on results. But at the time the radiologist said there were no gallstones. I have also done a liver flush twice, à la Clark protocol. Yes I'm aware of the liver/gall bladder connection as part of the wood element (which is my cf in 5 element terms). As for grains, there is as usual a yin yang split over their benefits; roughage v. overworking the system. Again I listen to my body in that regard.
Generally it seems I've been down all the alleys, including some blind ones. It's possible that I have an abscess on the liver. Or it's left over from the Malaria and Japanese encephalitis I had years ago, or parasitic from Asia, or candidiasis brought on by some underlying cause, or hypothyroidism even, but fundamentally probably I have to get to the root which may well be long standing emotional block. However all this doesn't help with my pain!
I guess it's just a question of time and a process of elimination.
In Reply to: Re: Liver pain posted by Helping you on September 26, 2001 at 11:24:30:
Thanks, Helping.
Walt
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