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Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria.

Posted by Matthew on January 22, 2001 at 15:44:40:

Hello just to start I will say that I have general anxiety disorder. Last march I started to have panic attacks for the first time and it freaked me out. I thought there was something wrong with my heart even though i am only 19 and am a serious runner. It took me two ekg's and two doctors to convince me. I then thought that i had a brain tumor, testicular cancer, ulcers, aids, all the while i was having the panic attacks almost everyday. I went to the a phyciatrist for the whole summer. Then towards the end of the summer i was feeling under my neck and i felt a lump about the sixe of a pea. It was small but and you can't see it but to me i thought it was something seriouse. I then kept on feeling my neck and about a week later i felt one on my right side of my neck under the jaw. That one is about the size of a lima bean. I kept feeling and then i did the worst thing for anxiety sufferes. I looked up lymph nodes on the internet and the first thig i saw was cancer. SO this put me over the edge i kept LOOKING for more lymph nodes. I eventual found some in my groin one about the size of a pea on the left side and other lumps that are larger but i don't know if they are tendons or not. I then read also on the internet taht if the lymph nodes above the left collar bone are swollen then it is seriouse. Guess what i felt something. One lymph node that is about the size of a lima bean and another one that is smaller. After i have found these lymph nodes i would touch them about 100 times a day, so i guess they were getting sore and keeping them bigger so this feed my fear. This freaked me out and i decided to go to the doctor. This was in august. The doctor felt my neck and under my arm and the places where the lymph nodes are supposed to be. He then told me that there was nothing wrong with them. This only helped me for about 2 weeks and the cylcle started up again. I went to a counselor and he helped me out a bit with the anxiety. But i started to feel the lymph nodes again. And i have read that touching them just once a day will keep them swollen. And guess what i feel them more then 50 times a day. SO in december i had the fears again and i went to another doctor. He checked my lymph nodes and told me that there was nothing to worry and gave me a referral to a phyciatrist. NOw it is all starting up again the good thing is that the lymph nodes are not getting any bigger, they remain the same size. But i still keep on touching them and can this keep them bigger? I also was LOOKING for lymph nodes under my arm and one day after i went weightlifting for the first time in a month i found one. It was a little sore and i still kept on touching it. This was about 2 weeks ago and i have since try to touch it only 1 time a day, but it is hard. I still touch all the other ones and and i don't know if i am making the lymph nodes in my groin sore because i keep on toouching them. Can this make the area in my groin sore? I don't know if i should go to another doctor, but if i do then the cycle will just start again. I think i will go to a phyciatrist though. ALso do you think the anxiety went from panic attacks to hypochondria over my lymph nodes because i don't have any panic attacks anymore? I jsut can't seem to shake this fear because i keep thinking that the doctor has missed something. I also got a blood test last march to see if i had hyperthyroidism. Everything came back normal except a little elevated white blood count which the doctor said was just a little cold, but i don't remember having a cold. I have not had any symptoms of anything. I also have a pain in my pack right at the end of my right shoulder blade. It urts a little bit like a sharp pain when i take a deepo breath or twist certain ways. I am thinking that i have gotten this because i use a mouse alot and it is in the same place that would have pressure on it when i use a mouse. And it started soon after i started to have panic attacks and it has not gotten worse. SO can u Matt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes , to Matt

Posted by
June on January 22, 2001 at 21:09:31:

In Reply to: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. posted by Matthew on January 22, 2001 at 15:44:40:

Hi, Matt

Lymph node enlargement can mean several different things including cancer, but that is not always the case. You have swollen nodes in the same general areas I've had them. I, too, found myself seeking reassurance from my physicians. In my case there were two things at play: chronic Epstien-Barr virus and chemical sensitivity (a build-up of toxins and my body's inability to detoxify as it was designed to do). Having had cancer 11 years ago I have to tell you that it was extremely frightening to me having chronic swollen nodes in the neck and in the groin area.

DON'T TOUCH THOSE NODES!!! Leave those areas alone and see if they go down and take a god multi-vitamin with additional vitamin C; I suggest Ester-C for you, 2 grams 3 or 4 times a day to start with. See if the nodes go down.

I understand your concern, but your touching them is antagonizing something that may go away if you just leave it alone. Also, cruise around Dr. Stoll's 'site and read about stress and nutrition. You may even want to look into a rebounder for exercise (that's a mini-trampoline) if lympatic congestion is your problem.

Perhaps you should ask for a second opinion - I did - and a third opinion in my case as well. A doctor I happened upon tested me for various things including EBV which turned out to be positive. These types of things are generally stress related and I have learned a great deal about how I let stress wreck my health - as well as what I could do about it.

With swollen lymph nodes the possibility of a malignancy always exists and should be ruled out. What ever you do, Matt, stop touching those lymph nodes and stop the panic; if it's stress-related panic will do you no good - action is the only logical solution.

Were your lymphocytes measured by a blood test? (Walt, does that matter in this?)

Matt, once I felt certain why this was happening to me personally I figured out what to do about it. Rule out the life-threatening issues, decide if stress, as defined on the homepage, is an issue with you, get a work-up to see if you have a chronic viral condition (like I've had); if it's the latter, then its stress related and I will be happy to help you make this go away. BTW, do you have fever, even a low-grade one, often?

Please write back so you and others can benefit from this. And a second opinion is an excellent option.

June



Re: Swollen lymph nodes , to Matt

Posted by Matt on January 22, 2001 at 21:33:58:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes , to Matt posted by June on January 22, 2001 at 21:09:31:

June i already had a second opinion i went to the doctor in august and another one in december. I also don't think i have a low grade fever. I don't know what constitutes a low grade fever. I do check my temperature often because i am a hypochondriac and it seem that it hovers around 98.6-99 during the day and then it go down lower at night. I doesn't seem to change for the last couple of months and my parents and many other people tell me that the body temperature flucuates. I think one of the reasons why i am like this is because i have anxiety and i know whats causing these concerns. THere is no other signs and many people even my parents tell me taht they are swollen. People also tell me that you can feel them more easier in skinny peeople which i am because i am a runner. I just started to exercise again and this is helping me out. I think the best thing i can do is go to a phyciatrist and maybe to clear my health anxiety is to schedule a doctors apoinment every month with a doctor i can trust so i can get rid of this cycle. I just don't think people know how hard it is to believe a doctor when you have health anxiety.
Matt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes , to Matt

Posted by Barbara on January 23, 2001 at 08:14:05:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes , to Matt posted by Matt on January 22, 2001 at 21:33:58:

Have you searched the archives for brain chemistry? There might be some info there on helping you with the anxiety.



Re: Swollen lymph nodes

Posted by matt on January 23, 2001 at 20:13:28:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes , to Matt posted by Barbara on January 23, 2001 at 08:14:05:

I don't think it is a brain chemistry i think it is an anxiety thing. Ever since i was a child i was always a worrier. My mother past away from cancer when i was in 7th grade so this is where i think i get the fear of me having cancer from. I really don't know if my lymph nodes are swollen. I know people can feel them in their bodies even if they aren't swollen. I thought swollen means that they are 1 inch and large. Mine aren't and even after i got two doctors to check them i still am like this. Why should i go to a third if the cycle is just gonna start again? I really think the best thing for me to do is go to a counselor. Any other advice wolud be appreciated.
Matt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes

Posted by Dave on January 23, 2001 at 20:32:08:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by matt on January 23, 2001 at 20:13:28:

matt, For just a minute stop and think. Where is this anxiety thing controlled at. You are admitting yourself that you are a worrier. Brain chemistry may well be your problem. Just take some time and read up on it. Good luck



Re: Swollen lymph nodes

Posted by Matt on January 23, 2001 at 20:45:43:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by Dave on January 23, 2001 at 20:32:08:

SO should i geton medication for the anxiety? Or should i just try counseling. People say a combination works the best but i don;t want to go on medication that much. I also just started to exercise again and it is helping a bit.
Matt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes

Posted by Dave on January 23, 2001 at 22:37:23:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by Matt on January 23, 2001 at 20:45:43:

Matt, exercise is very important. I am not a doc and can not tell you what you should do. I personally would try and stay off the meds. Matt you are going to have to sit down and have a talk with yourself first, and try to get things in order. There are some herbs that may help you, but it is going to be you that solves this problem. If you feel good with counseling, try it. Good luck.



Re: Swollen lymph nodes to Dave

Posted by Matt on January 24, 2001 at 00:35:42:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by Dave on January 23, 2001 at 22:37:23:

I have one question. DO you think this is in my mind. I mean with the lymph nodes thing. I mean i can feel them but it's like i always need reasurrance to tell me that there is nothing wrong. I went to the doctor twice and it's like one half of my mind knows that theres nothing wrong but the other says that maybe there is. I am better off then most people with hypochondria because i know that i have anxiety and can tell that i do.
Matt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. (Archive in wellness.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 24, 2001 at 09:37:40:

In Reply to: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. posted by Matthew on January 22, 2001 at 15:44:40:

Hi, Matt.

Your "hypochondria" is due to your bodymind trying to tell you to improve your lifestyle toward wellness. You are starting awfully young which says that you have a genetic susceptibility to chronic conditions and you will sepnd all of your money in doctor's offices, while wasting your life, if you do not take this seriously.

Go to the homepage and archives about wellness. If you do not do wellness: "this is as good as it gets".

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes

Posted by Joanie on January 24, 2001 at 10:48:47:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by Dave on January 23, 2001 at 22:37:23:

Hi Matt,

I'm not a doctor, just a former anxiety/depression sufferer. I'm convinced that this is inherited and that the brain chemistry is imbalanced. I remember thinking that every little ache/pain/lump/bump was the end for me. I couldn't eat or sleep and I had two babies to care for. I was on meds that helped, but I finally just made up my mind (after numerous visits to hospital emergency rooms, doctors offices, labs, etc. that I needed to take charge of my life. Slowly, I weaned myself off the meds and began a vitamin popping regimen (this was about 23 years ago) which may or may not have been helpful. SLOWLY, the attacks lessened in frequency as I went on with my life, and today, I am happy to say that I have not had a panic attack in several years. I do on occasion find myself feeling slightly depressed, but it doesn't last.

I am in complete agreement that STRESS is also a major factor, and you need to deal with that by practicing what Walt preaches. I wish I had known about all this 23 years ago. I hope this helps you.

Good luck to you.

Namaste'

Joanie



Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. TO Walt.

Posted by Matt on January 24, 2001 at 12:24:37:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. (Archive in wellness.) posted by Walt Stoll on January 24, 2001 at 09:37:40:

I know that I have an anxiety problem but i have gotten rid of the panic attacks. But do you think that instead of the panic attakcs i have just changed my anxiety to my health. I mean i have gotten over all the other illnesses that i thought that i had eg. heart problems. It is just this lymph node thing problably because i can feel them. DO you think that there is something wrong with the lymph nodes even thought i had two different doctors check them and i feel healthy. I think that the lymph nodes were the same all along and i have just not realized it before. Or that maybe they were fighting an infection like a little pimple or maybe the ones in my neck are swollen a bit because my wisdom teeth are coming in and that by mee keep on touching them it is making them hurt because i am irritating them. I think that the ones in my groin are hurting now because i can't seem to stop touching them. DO you think that i need to go on medication or at least have a trial of it?
Matt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes

Posted by Dave on January 24, 2001 at 23:49:44:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by Dave on January 23, 2001 at 22:37:23:

Matt, I can not answer that, but I think Joanie, just made and excellent post for you. I always try to listen to people who have been there. Good luck.



Re: Swollen lymph nodes What does this subject have to do with "anxiety"?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 2001 at 10:31:08:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes posted by matt on January 23, 2001 at 20:13:28:

Matt.

ALL anxiety starts with brain chemistry imbalance. The psychological part comes when one has been living with the anxiety for years.

50 years ago we were taught that ALL mental problems were psychological. Today we are taught that ALL mental problems are chemical at their base.

Walt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. TO Walt.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 26, 2001 at 09:10:50:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. TO Walt. posted by Matt on January 24, 2001 at 12:24:37:

Hi, Matt.

I think that, if you would put as much effort into wellness, as you are presently putting into illness, within a year you would be a different person!

Walt



Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria...Matt

Posted by
June on January 26, 2001 at 12:18:08:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. TO Walt. posted by Matt on January 24, 2001 at 12:24:37:

Matt, Dr. Stoll is giving you great advice and you can read about the ways to wellness in the archives here. You can redirect your energy into something else that is good for you; worry is not.

As I said before, I've had the lymph node thing, scary as hell. Dr. Stoll has told many who have written in with lymph node questions that the only way to be sure is to have one biopsied. It doesn't sound like your doctors think that is indicated.

Counseling and maybe a certified hypnotherapist could be enormously beneficial for you. That could help you in getting your focus on a wellness program. Set little goals at a time for yourself and reimburse your psyche with feeling satisfied as you conquer these goals - then hang on to your progress and set yourself a bigger goal.

In "The Relaxation & Stredss Reduction Workbook" (Martha Davis) which Walt has recommended for years is a great tool and has one technique called "Thought Stopping" in it for worriers, hypochoncriacs, etc.

Maybe you have swollen nodes and hypochondria. Leave them alone, redirect your energy, and if they are still a problem after you don't touch them for a month or two - or if they enlarge - go see the physician you trust the most about it again. Nothing is going to happen to you in regard to those lymph nodes today - and you probably don't need to worry about the week-end or next week.

Medication is not an alternative therapy but I will say that I took an anxiety med for awhile as I learned more practical and healthful things I could do for myself (and I no longer get swollen nodes, Matt). The med is called BuSpar and I found that a half a tablet provided all I needed. It is a prescription drug, I had no adverse effects while I took it. Please don't ruin the best years of your life. Look at all of your options, think of all the years ahead of you and follow your instincts. You've gotten much advice here and you can read even more information, but don't expect to find validation that you have a fatal illness or that you would benefit from prescription drugs. That is your decision and if you have any questions about the wellness programs Walt suggests, just ask.

June



Re: Swollen lymph nodes to Dave

Posted by DJ on January 27, 2001 at 00:26:42:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes to Dave posted by Matt on January 24, 2001 at 00:35:42:

Mine lymph nodes bothered me on and off for years. Finally diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in '96 after several years they are still slightly swollen, tender, and often downright sore when poked.
There are other potential underlying causes such as cancer
or lupus. Need to have extensive blood tests and perhaps
biopsy a piece of a gland.
Fun stuff - I still have the scars.
Best wishes and God bless.
Dave



Re: DJ, curious what your biopsies showed.(?)/nmi

Posted by June on January 27, 2001 at 09:53:56:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes to Dave posted by DJ on January 27, 2001 at 00:26:42:

nmi



Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. TO MATT!!!.

Posted by
Dayna on February 07, 2001 at 20:14:27:

In Reply to: Re: Swollen lymph nodes or hypochondria. TO Walt. posted by Matt on January 24, 2001 at 12:24:37:

You have just described me! I'm 26 years old and I have been in perfect health all of my life! I donít recall ever having the flu and the last time I even had a cold was about 7 or 8 years ago. Iím constantly around sick people and I just donít catch anything. I started suffering from anxiety attacks about 4 months ago and have slowly but surely started turning into a hypochondriac. I have been to the doctor on average about 3-4 times a week because someone told me I should get a swollen bump behind my ear checked out. I went to the doctor and he asked how long it had been there. I told him 4 years or more (I had never really noticed it before that but it could have been there longer). The doctor said it was a swollen lymph node but nothing to worry about, but referred me to a general surgeon anyway. I went and saw the general surgeon, but in the meantime I decided I would look it up on the Internet... BIG MISTAKE!!! All I could find was CANCER!!! I have had blood tests run and everything comes back absolutely perfect. In fact, I had them run in November of last year and my white blood cell count is actually down from then, but I still can't relax. Anyway, the general surgeon said it was definitely benign so I left the office even though I was still nervous because I just didn't understand how it could have swelled and stayed swelled because according to everything I read, if it doesn't go down... it's cancer. I felt another just below it starting to swell so I panicked at this point and went in to the doctor again. She took them both out and had them run biopsies... both were nothing. I had myself completely freaked out and panicked over NOTHING! One basically had turned into scar tissue and the other was just reactive with no evidence of malignancy. My body has been feeling like it was falling apart because of the level of stress and anxiety I have put myself under. I have been active, in sports and healthy my entire life and in the last 6 weeks, Iíve had myself convinced that Iíve had every cancer and lymphoma under the sun. I have another node swelling slightly and of courseÖ the cycle is beginning again, but Iím dealing with it. I also found out that because Iím thin, mine are more prominent than most peopleís, which made me want to go out and gain twenty pounds to get people to stop pointing them out to me since this is what causes the panic. Of course I realize this is not the answer. Nothing runs in my family (except anxiety), and most members have lived from 80-100 years old! I started seeing a psychiatrist about 2 months ago and it seems to be helping. I would highly suggest finding someone who can help you deal with the worrying. My psychiatrist told me that worry gives you a feeling of control over a situation and the first thing you need to do is accept there are some things that are just out of your control. He also mentioned that illness associated obsessions can result from feelings of guilt. Iím still dealing with the worry and itís no way to live. As soon as I do feel okay about my health, I find something else to stress over, like my boyfriend or work or something. The thing with health is there really isnít anything more important so it consumes your worry. Youíre problem isnít your health, itís your worry natureÖ I suffer from it too. Work on fixing that and learn to relax. Someone once told me the quickest way to die is to never live. Work on living!!! Best wishes and good luck to you!



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