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Posted by Sean on March 20, 1999 at 23:42:36:

To All,

I live near the northern chicago area and may wish to try rolfing. Does anyone know of someone good in this area.

Also I have been a lurker of this message board for quite a while now. And have heard of many people talk about SR and it's benifits. I'm having a hard time starting this up. Due to these reasons:
1. There are many variables involved with doing this ... ie you need to achieve a certain brainwave hmmm maybe 4-8? can't remember off hand.
2. Also I thought I saw that one would not be able to tell a difference until 6 months out. Well give it 6 months or something like that.
3. Since I have acquired this err 'gift' I have become quite impatient with things. Partly due to my efforts in the past and listening to 'authorities' tell me I could 'cure my gift' etc ... and trusting in them and then spending all this money and effort and with no lasting effects. Then also my 'gift' in particular effecting my psyche to where I feel very impatient most of the time.

So basically when I asked about rolfing I was looking for a 'quick fix' or at least something that could give me more lasting relief quickly. I'm just not sure if I could tough it out for 6 months 20 mins 2x a day and also to be able to figure out exactly how to meditate right (using correct brainwaves). I realize I'm ranting here a little, but the reason I'm writing this is I'm wondering if there are others out there in the same boat. Trying to figure things out etc ...

I had alot of drive and energy when I was first confronted with my 'gift'; now it seems well it takes quite alot more effort to do things.
I'm like looking at this ...
ok so just to see if I could get to normal again I need to try:
eating whole foods, elimination diet, eating veggies and goody foods for a long time, workout 3x a week, SR 2x a day 7 days a week, rolfing, chiropractic, massage
there are a few others that I'm thinking about that relate personally to my 'gift' ... and you see this is all just to 'SEE' (I'll say it again ... 'SEE') if I will improve.
I mean it's like a whole life chore to to see if I can get rid of my gift.

Sean



Re: The Gift

Posted by Marvel on March 21, 1999 at 09:59:48:

In Reply to: Rolfing, questioning things etc... posted by Sean on March 20, 1999 at 23:42:36:

OK, Sean, I'll bite. What's the gift?

Marvel



Re: The Gift

Posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 10:50:26:

In Reply to: Re: The Gift posted by Marvel on March 21, 1999 at 09:59:48:

Well normally I dont call what I have a gift, but sometimes I humor myself. Basically it is a breathing difficulty. Somthing like asthma or COPD, but not like them. Right now I have trouble breathing at all times (always feels like I'm not getting enough air (oxygen)and a drainage in throat. I get bothered by certain things (like people with asthma), but I dont have attacks since I have difficulty at all times ... ie paint fumes, smoke, lysol etc etc ...

So that's the 'gift'

Sean



Re: The Gift

Posted by Jim H on March 21, 1999 at 11:15:48:

In Reply to: Re: The Gift posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 10:50:26:

Sean,

Since it has lead you here, perhaps it will turn out to be a gift after all. I have read many stories here of healing, including breathing difficulty. Doc Walt will answer your specific questions, and others will share information and ideas with you. Be sure to explore all parts of the board. (Upper right corner)

Jim H



gift etc...

Posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 11:38:54:

In Reply to: Re: The Gift posted by Jim H on March 21, 1999 at 11:15:48:

Well I did spell out how my 'gift' got started awhile back and Dr. Stoll suggested I get a deep tissue massage 3x a week for 2 weeks then do SR. I have gotten some massages, but I didnt find the relief I was looking for (something that would last longer then a day) ... (and the relief that I felt was hmm maybe only about a %20 relief)
and I just havn't commited to doing the SR for 2x a day 7 days a week for 6 months (to see if it would relieve my 'gift' and then do it for rest of life to keep it away).
As I said in my first message there is alot of stuff to do just to attept to see if one can get to normal again.

Sean




Re: Gift Horse

Posted by Marvel on March 21, 1999 at 14:01:16:

In Reply to: gift etc... posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 11:38:54:

Oh, now I get it, you're just posting here to tell everybody you're indecisive about doing SR. Well, duh me.

Iíve never understood the folks who post here to tell us what they canít or wonít do. Itís always something, too much time, doesnít taste good, toooo hard (with implied whine), or might not work. Mind game.

With all the testimonials posted here about the benefits of SR, Iím surprised you are hesitant. Luckily you donít have to do it. Self help is not for everybody. Anything you try with reluctance and aint gonna work anyhow. In your case, youíre right to be concerned about wasting your time.

Still, I canít resistÖ..Oh, come on, Sean, give it a try.

There!

Marvel





path to wellness & feeling overwhelmed with it all

Posted by
Denise Wyrick on March 21, 1999 at 14:04:14:

In Reply to: gift etc... posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 11:38:54:

Hi Sean, Something that has been very helpful to me is the notion that I can't "do it all" at once. I started practicing SR last July...and I am just now getting around to getting my practice verified via biofeedback. It took me from July to Feb. to muster up the courage to do the elimination diet. I started Rolfing sessions in Sept but due to circumstances out of my control the sessions were spread out over a period of 6 months. In retrospect, I think it was a good thing that I had a nice break with the Rolfing.... The thing about the sessions is that they give you a sense of your own body in a way that I did not have the ability to do on my own. I learned about the way I hold tension and being able to work with gravity as opposed to against it, all of which greatly facilitates the SR.

Walt and others have said this many many times before "the important thing is to get started" There will be stumbling blocks along the way, one simply needs to remember to pick themself up and dust themself off and keep moving ahead. I certainly have had some experience in the falling down part...but this bb has been a godsend. I really don't think I would have attempted the diet without the encouragement and support of this fine community. There are lots of good folks that hang out here who are ready to lend a helping hand or encouraging words. I hope this helps.

Namaste,
Denise



Re: Rolfing, questioning things etc...

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 21, 1999 at 15:01:52:

In Reply to: Rolfing, questioning things etc... posted by Sean on March 20, 1999 at 23:42:36:

Hi, Sean.

The VERY FIRST TIME you reach the "relaxation response" (alpha/theta rhythm). You will feel better for a few hours.

Some people feel better just taking a nap. THAT is why I so strongly recommend checking out your technique with biofeedback within 2 weeks of doing something you think is working. Why spend 6 months taking a nap?

Rolfing is just a waya to get quick results depending on what problem the person has. Since I don't know what you have.......... Rolfing is NOT a panacea. See link below.

When I say 6-12 months I am talking about more than 95% of people seeing resolution of chronic conditions for which it had been recommended.



SR

Posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 17:36:10:

In Reply to: path to wellness & feeling overwhelmed with it all posted by Denise Wyrick on March 21, 1999 at 14:04:14:

I did try to SR a couple times recently. And I felt that it was just that relaxation. I seem to have a tendency to 'almost always think' ... ok I have this this and this to do or I wish I was doing this or that etc ...
I found when I tried SR (I did it for about 5 mins a couple times) I didn't feel like I was thinking like that. I was thinking about healing effects, and I felt calm. So perhaps I will see about working my way up to a substantial amount of time doing it. If not to achieve the outcome of getting ride of my 'gift' but to reach a state of calmness and peace and to take time away from thinking about all the things I need or want to do.
That's one of the reasons why I am hesitant about starting up on SR because one does need to be dedicated to do this and I'm not sure about you, but in the past when I put forth alot of trust, effort, and hope into something in the hopes that it would help things and it didn't well ... it's hard to pick yourself up sometimes.

yes your note was encouraging
thankx,
Sean



rolfing web site

Posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 19:11:49:

In Reply to: Re: Rolfing, questioning things etc... posted by Walt Stoll on March 21, 1999 at 15:01:52:

Dr. Stoll,

Thankx for the Rolfing #
I found the rolfing institute site on the net too ... perhaps people on this board would find it benificial also.
(it has a directory)
http://www.rolf.org/directory/

Sean



Re: gift etc...

Posted by
Andrea on March 22, 1999 at 08:57:23:

In Reply to: gift etc... posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 11:38:54:

Sean, I would venture to guess that your breathing problems are relating to what you are eating. I had this same problem and it was related to food intolerances. The problem with this particular problem is the more you stress about not getting enough air, the problem gets worse. I find that if I eat chicken two days in a row, I get this. Chicken may not be your trigger but something probably is. Try keeping a food log of everything you eat. Try not eating things two days in a row. You can also try the elimination diet on the web here. Continue the SR.
Good luck,
Andrea



Re: gift etc... (A lack of knowledge is a terrible thing.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 09:57:36:

In Reply to: gift etc... posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 11:38:54:

Hi, Sean.

What, exactly, do you mean by "some massages"?

The least that I have seen do what you need, at this stage, is 3 times a week for 2 weeks. Unless it is that concentrated you have no chance of enough benefit to make it easier to do the SR.

Also, knowledge is what you need to convince yourself that the SR is the basic thing you need. That knowing can come from reading OR personal experience. Only you know which way you learn best.

Massage is temporary benefits AT BEST. I only recommend it for people who seem to need to have immediate benefits to progress to what they need to do for themselves.

The 3 times a week for 2 weeks is the least concentrated that will give a decent % or people that experience.

There is no question of what you need, The only question is if you will do it.

Walt



Re: rolfing web site

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 12:16:21:

In Reply to: rolfing web site posted by Sean on March 21, 1999 at 19:11:49:

Thanks, Sean.

That helps.

Walt



Questions for you Andrea

Posted by Sean on March 22, 1999 at 15:17:47:

In Reply to: Re: gift etc... posted by Andrea on March 22, 1999 at 08:57:23:

Well seeing is how you mentioned that you possiably have had this condition or have; I will post the exact syptoms and the symptoms of when it started.
This will be a shortened version ...
7 years ago I just started noticing an increase in drainage into my throat to where I had to (spit) the drainage out (into a sink or whatever). Then the secreations got so heavy that I had to rid myself of them almost constantly.
I started having difficult breathing problems also with this not being able to get enough air or something (It's almost hard for me to remember now). Then I think the secreations lessoned, but the breathing diffiuclty stayed there (this was a constant breathing difficulty; although it got worse when around certain things ... ie smoke, lysol, gas fumes).
So now I still have the secreatins in the back of my throat to a degree (clear) and the breathing difficulty. I tried doing an elimination diet once, but I dont think I did it exactly. I should try doing it more exact and then slowly add things.
Also I dont notice any increase in breathing diffiuclties when I eat certain foods just mostly when I eat too much (thinking my stomach is to big and its just hindering my diaphram movement)... I think I'm breathing out of different muscles since I have acquired this gift.
hmmm so does this sound familiar? If so what were your symptoms? and how did you do the elimination diet?
I'd be real interested to know becasue I havn't know anyone with the exact symptoms as I have.

Sean




Dr. Stoll ...

Posted by Sean on March 22, 1999 at 15:28:23:

In Reply to: Re: gift etc... (A lack of knowledge is a terrible thing.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 09:57:36:

I did get about 5 messages in a 2 week period and the relief was minimal (nothing more then what I usually felt after the occasional massage that I had or an adjustment (chiropractic). Now it's possiable the massuse wasn't as good as I needed etc ... or maybe I needed more.

I think the route I'm going to take now is to seek out a rolfer and do that. Perhaps their massage would benift me better. Also I will try to implement SR into my daily life ... I think I will try bringing up my time gradually up (it's hard to stay still and meditate for 20 mins).

You say there is no question about what I need. So is what I stated above what I need?
rolfing and doing SR until I can do it for 2x a day 20 mins everyday? and exercise 3x a week, and possiably an elimination diet and possibaly a whole foods diet?

also you said this "Unless it is
that concentrated you have no chance of enough benefit to make it easier to do the SR." hmmm I'm not sure if I understand what you said, but are you saying getting massage/rolfing will help me with my SR?

thankx for you help,
I am willing to do what it takes

Sean



Re: Questions for you Andrea

Posted by
Andrea on March 22, 1999 at 17:38:24:

In Reply to: Questions for you Andrea posted by Sean on March 22, 1999 at 15:17:47:

Well I have had digestive problems since I was a child. Diagnosed w/spastic colon. NO ALLOPATHIC DOCTOR over the course of 20 years ever gave me a reason why this was happening just prescribed drugs that didn't work. Also always had a running nose after I ate. Then when I turned thirty my symptoms got a lot worse. Finally, was diagnosed with gall bladder disease. Took it out and I still didn't get better. About this time I started having the breathing problems, itchy skin, chronic bloating. I finally found the ER4YT diet which recommended whole foods and for me a diet mainly of protein. The breathing problems eventually subsided, the stomach problems got somewhat better. I felt back to 60%. The I found this site, started SR. Just started SR about 1 month ago. Also I see a chiropractor 3 times a week and that has helps alot too. Knowledge is going to be your best friend on your path to wellness. Don't lose hope, you will find the path that is right for you.

Andrea



Re: Dr. Stoll ...

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 1999 at 12:20:16:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll ... posted by Sean on March 22, 1999 at 15:28:23:

Hi, Sean.

Rolfing &/or massage will help you with your SR. In the long run the SR is the most important but the Rolfing and/or massage will give you quicker results--though temporary. People who are so tense that they just can't do a SR, many times can get, temporarily relaxed enough (with massage &/or Rolfing) that they can stars doing effective SR.

Perhaps, knowing human nature, I should recommend at least a daily, deep, total-body, therapeutic massage for 2 weeks to be sure that people will get at least 3 a week for 2 weeks? Even you stopped with 5 when 6 is the least I have ever seen work. If one spreads their 6 massages out longer than 2 weeks I have never seen even 6 work. Perhaps 10, over 3-4 weeks would work?

A full Rolfing is 10 sessions and they are best done once or even twice a week. Once a week seems to work better since the bodymind seem to have to adjust after each session to be ready for the next. If they are spread out longer than that they are not as effective or long lasting.

Hope this is helping.

Walt



Attn trish: Chicago Rolfer?

Posted by Phyllis A. on March 23, 1999 at 13:35:41:

In Reply to: Rolfing, questioning things etc... posted by Sean on March 20, 1999 at 23:42:36:

If I remember correctly, trish lives in the Chicago area and underwent Rolfing last year with a Rolfer she really liked. Maybe she will see this append and will respond with who she went to see.



Sean, email me and I would be happy tell you about my experience.NMI

Posted by
trish on March 23, 1999 at 16:17:36:

In Reply to: Rolfing, questioning things etc... posted by Sean on March 20, 1999 at 23:42:36:

NMI



Re: Questions for you Andrea

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 1999 at 16:32:20:

In Reply to: Questions for you Andrea posted by Sean on March 22, 1999 at 15:17:47:

Hi, Sean.

I know that you have not seen others with your symptoms but I have seen at least dozens. It is not so hard to clear.

Also, remember that a normal person makes at least a quart & a half of upper respiratory secretions every 24 hours. We all are literally drinking our own mucus all the time. That is why everyone swallows every few minutes.

Just TMJ will nearly double the volume of secretions. Of course, allergy not only increases the volume but makes them thicker so they are more noticeable.

Walt



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