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Hello Dr. Stoll
Until recently I was a healthy 43 years old man! A couple of months ago, I got mad while driving. When I got out of the car 20 minutes later, I felt that I was about to fall. I had to sit down on a chair for a long time before I felt better. While I was sitting down I felt that I was about to die, I was totally numb in the legs. I could comprehend and was well aware of my surround, but I felt that everybody were speaking to me from a distance.
I slept for about 20 hours afterward and felt fine.
I was taken to an emergency room (CCU) a couple of days later because I was hyper-ventilating for about 10 minutes accomponied by some lightheadedness (some murmur feeling was going on in my brain). My body was also shaky, and I felt some pain in right side of my chest! Everything turned out to be fine (EKG, Xray, blood tests). This happened 4-5 hours after having sexual activity, after which I was feeling weak.
I tried to ignore the whole thing and get back to normal. However, I got worse as days passed (reoccuring same symptoms). I had a feeling that I was about to die, could not sleep because I would die if I slept. Minor irritations would also triger the eisodes. after a while, it was coming from nowhere and I could not walk straight, or could walk at all. I could not turn my head, as it would give me a feeling that I would fall, even when I was sitting down. Also, I had to drink a lot of water, otherwise I would feel dizzy. The symptoms would also get worse when I was eating.
I checked with two physicians and repeated the tests. I also got echocardigram, 24 hours holter, nuclear cardiogram, All fine.
The funny part was that a couple of my co-workers were also showing some of same symptopms during same period. However, mine were the most severe and dibilitating.
The propblem was blamed on severe flu followed by anexiety by one physician. The idea was that as I have never been sick before and I got scared. The other physician called it panic attack and prscribed ativan at first to fight attacks at night, followed by paxil (20 mg).
The night attacks stopped gradually as I was starting to use paxil (I do not thing because of it). The side effects of paxil were stomach problem, gas generation, some weight gain, etc. I reduced the paxil to 10 mg/day and finished it. During this period, however, a test of testostrone level showed a lowere than normal (the number was 20 instead of say 34). I am not sure if this was because of paxil or what. This might have caused constant sleepiness, tiredness, and drawsiness.
Now, I do not take paxil, I have no attacks but: I am still scared. As I do get a bit anxious, or I walk fast, or I lift something, my blood pressure goes up from 120/80 to 140/80 and my heart bit count from 60 to 80-90. I feel pain in my chest (left side) immediately. I do expect a heart failiure at any minute that will cause death immediately (this is my perception). The pain in chest which is really superficial and mascullar moves to my shoulder and under arm. I have occasional pain in my stomach which now happens if I eat bread or fat. I feel some very mild episodes of dizziness occasionally. I do not know if dizziness is the good word though. I just feel a momentary switch off and on in my brain.
So, Please tell me what is wrong with me and what should I do? Thanks
The funny
In Reply to: Light-headedness, Panic posted by David Debmar on October 21, 2002 at 01:22:17:
Hi David,
Classic anxiety. As one who experienced this some years ago, I overcame it by just realizing that my symptoms were NOT fatal, just manifested by my fear.
Start practicing wellness as indicated on this site, and you will start reaping the benefits soon.
Good luck,
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by Joanie on October 21, 2002 at 08:09:39:
it was not as easy as it was for Joanie, unfortunately. Her technique works for many, worth a try!
20 years, off and on (they come and they go cycles of anxiety) of different drugs, programs, and techniques.
and, here's my opinion 20 some years later:
1.fix the diet
2.exercise
3.practice as much SR as possible
4.use BSFF to get rid of junk in the psyche(IT WORKS!)
Good Luck to you!
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by and for me on October 21, 2002 at 08:48:12:
ps flu and an extreme bronchial dialator(sp.?) were the cause and the beginning of the BIZARRE panic episodes. Had had mild anxiety episodes prior to that, but the episodes with flu/cold/congestion meds TERRIFIED!!! Watch the meds situation from now on...carefully consider.
Am looking into mustard packs and horseradish, myself.
In Reply to: Light-headedness, Panic posted by David Debmar on October 21, 2002 at 01:22:17:
Hi,
I'm suffering from the same. Lightheadedness off and on. If I move my head, once in a while, it feels like I will tip over or like you say, something short circuits for a second. I am able to control full blown panic attacks now, but the anxiety is still haunting me. I worry about everything....I just know I'm going to have a heart attack, I think I have a brain tumor from the head thing, etc., etc., and i know this feeds into it which causes my body to release more adrenelin which causes more anxiety. A vicious cycle. Hang in there. I have the same symptoms.
In Reply to: Light-headedness, Panic posted by David Debmar on October 21, 2002 at 01:22:17:
There are so many people feeling dizzy lately. I really think it must be a virus that's going around and affecting hte inner ear. Does anyone know anything about this - it seems to affect all ages.
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by and for me on October 21, 2002 at 08:48:12:
Sorry to have mislead you. It was NOT as easy as I made it sound. It took years of therapy, meds, etc., but I finally overcame it. Now I battle other health issues. Neverending story....
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by Lyndsie on October 21, 2002 at 09:37:19:
Hi Lyndsie,
I too have the same lightheadedness/short circuitedness, but I've had it for so long, I just ignore it. Only three times in my life have I been dizzy for a day or so, and it always passes. I have had a brain MRI, and it shows nothing, so I just choose not to worry about it. I chalk it all up to bracing.
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by Joanie on October 21, 2002 at 12:38:50:
I don't have the hang of complete clarity in my posting!
I thinks it's me that's unclear!
There is nothing easy about any part of panic anxiety etc, including any and all efforts to get rid of it!
Your point is important one to know! It may scare us, but does not kill us!
Thanks!
In Reply to: Re: To Dr. Stoll: Light-headedness, Panic posted by W on October 21, 2002 at 11:06:47:
The government routinely uses planes to spray highly populated areas with viruses and then monitors the effects. This has been going on for decades.
In Reply to: Chem trails maybe??? posted by observer on October 21, 2002 at 13:54:51:
Yes, to kill off a majority of the population in the future, right? This is such pooh pooh.
In Reply to: Light-headedness, Panic posted by David Debmar on October 21, 2002 at 01:22:17:
Sounds like male version of menopause. When my
hormones first started dropping I felt dizzy and weak,
had heart palpitations and feelings of anxiety that just
came on for no reason. The first time I experienced this
had just been rather severly startled by a near accident
on the road. I reacted and then when I regained
composure I felt weak and shakey and my mind sort of
slipped into a strange numbness. I just thought it was
me coming off the adrenaline rush. But then I started
having hot flashes, insomnia episodes, lightheaded
sensations. And like you when I would walk and turn my
head I would immediately start to slip into a sort of fall
in one direction.
I was tested for everything under the sun. All was
normal except I had low estrogen. They said it was
menopause. This has been happening to some
degree for about three years. I am now 49.
Funny that you mention that your testosterone is low. If
low estrogen can cause these feelings in women, it
makes sense that low testosterone in men might make
you have these things.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? posted by Conspiracy on October 21, 2002 at 20:13:11:
how do you think they test biological weapons?
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? posted by observer on October 21, 2002 at 22:40:42:
Whatever...believe what you want, but you must live in a really dark, paranoid world.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 11:56:55:
Maybe he lives in a country where the presidency can be decided by coup.
Maybe he lives in a country where personal freedom and liberty is taken away in the name of "security."
Maybe he lives in a country where the government routinely destablizes other country's governments to
further its own ends.
Maybe he lives in a country where the doctors are more interested in profits then curing the sick.
Maybe he lives in a country where women are mutilated by doctors for money.
Maybe he lives in a country where 300,000 people die in a hospital each year.
Maybe he lives in a country where the government has been experimenting on its citizenery
for the last 70 years without their knowledge or consent.
I bet you live in that world too but just don't know it.
NOW YOU KNOW.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by Co Conspirator on October 22, 2002 at 12:51:05:
Let's go bomb it after Iraq.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by Co Conspirator on October 22, 2002 at 12:51:05:
what percent of the population is that? anyone figure it out?
Just curious
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by Co Conspirator on October 22, 2002 at 12:51:05:
OK, you got me. What can I say? Should I even wake up tomorrow, or better yet, should I go to sleep? Oh my, what can I do? I'm afraid even to move from this very spot I sit. When I dry my hair tomorrow, I wonder what will blow out of the hair dryer? I'm sure they've laced it with something!! Am I being bugged? Am I being watched? Are they going to point the death ray at me? Oh, the stress!! :)
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? posted by Conspiracy on October 21, 2002 at 20:13:11:
Hey, Conspiracy.
This is part of the MCS problem and, so far, it only is affecting the "canaries in the coalmine" among us--more every year.
The EPA finally admitted to the problem a few years ago when their headquarters were found to be one of the "sick buildings".
SO, I would not be so sure as you seem to be that you know all that there is to know.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 11:56:55:
Copnspiracy,
How many more revelations of chemical and biological testing, by our government on our people, do you need. At least 6 major examples have been in the newspapers within the past week. I guess, so long as the news is blacked out for 50 years that makes it OK. What will be reported 50 years from now?
Boy are YOU naive.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 22, 2002 at 15:56:28:
Hi Walt,
There are a lot of problems to the chem trail theory and I really think it's nonsense - I've read a lot about it. From observers post, I wasn't sure they have.
I never said I know all there is to know, I just expressed my opinion on something that I feel I am up to date on. I would love to read those examples you are talking about so that I can research them and be even more informed. I read the news everyday, which articles were they?
Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 16:02:52:
Hi Conspiracy,
I'm glad you have the luxury of "reading all about it and deciding it's nonsense." I don't have that option - I'm LIVING WITH IT.
Wake up, Conspiracy. You could be next.
observer
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by Co Conspirator on October 22, 2002 at 12:51:05:
Thanks, Co.
It needed to be said.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 16:02:52:
Hi, Conspiracy.
All I can say is that it was chronicalled in the editorial page within the past couple of weeks. I do not save stuff that is on the wire service since most people have that available to them.
Walt
In Reply to: Light-headedness, Panic posted by David Debmar on October 21, 2002 at 01:22:17:
Hi, David.
Listen to Meno Lady, Joanie and by. Although this may not be the only reason it is likely to be conributing. Get "The Testosterone Syndrome" by Dr Shippen (Available at your library.)
Your problem is basically in the brain chemistry department.
Wellness will take a while but it WILL resolve this problem by increasing your genetic tolerance. Only a Clinical Scologist could identify the most likely chemicals worth eliminating from your environment.
In the meantime, you might read an interesting book that might directly relate to your symptoms: "Brain Allergies" by Dr Phillpott.
Let us know what you learn & how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by observer on October 22, 2002 at 16:13:16:
Honestly, do you really believe it's from chem trails or con trails as they are also called? I am not being mean or sarcastic, so please don't take it that way. (I know you can't see my face or hear the tone of my voice.) I really want to know if this kind of stuff is actually going on. I don't want to be sprayed or experimented on. But, I just am not convinced of it.
Also, the altitude that the trails are at just wouldn't allow the substance to descend where it is seen if it were really a substance being sprayed or released. In fact, it is more likely to dissipate into the atmosphere, than it is to land anywhere for that matter. We're not talking about helicopters here, we're talking about jets that fly miles high in the sky.
I'm going to read more of what Walt is talking about and try to find the articles. I don't want to be naive, so I read all the time to try and keep myself informed. I wish you would do the same about chem trails and read other sides too, not just the ones that say it's true. Maybe we could compare notes?
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 17:34:14:
I had never heard of chem trails until my kinesiologist brought it to my attention. One week he had half a dozen patients with the same symptoms and traced it back to the jets at the Air Force base.
I have no way of proving his diagnosis, but after his treatment the symptoms disappeared immediately. Other people I knew who were not treated were ill for weeks.
All I'm saying is, let's consider the possibility. You can do all the research you want, but when you experience it first hand, it tends to make a believer out of you.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by observer on October 22, 2002 at 19:04:03:
Does that mean that you do not want to research it further and compare notes? I was hoping to have someone to help me in my search to end my naiveté. :)
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 22, 2002 at 16:35:38:
Thanks Dr. Stoll;
I will read those books. I'd like also to thank those who are contributing.
Reading the comments, I realized that I did not clearly stated a fact. I mentioned that I and two other co-workers got sick to varying degrees (one fainted at his desk) during the same time period. What I did not mention is that (only) the three of us were attending a conference in a major city in another state two weeks before showing signs of sickness.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 15:41:53:
You shouldn't use hairdryers because they shoot EMF right into the ole brain. Why have the govt do you in when you can do it yourself?!
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by thessa on October 23, 2002 at 06:15:20:
What is EMF? Are you serious and giving me good info, or are you joking? I saw some of your other posts and I trust your opinion, you seem very educated.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by Conspiracy on October 23, 2002 at 11:40:51:
Hi Conspiracy - yes, that was me doing humor! hahaha
But seriously EMF stands for electromagnetic fields - electrical pollution - one of the many environmental stressors we are bombarded with daily (cell phones, washer & dryer, computers, electrical lines etc etc). Mercola has a decent article on it.
best to you
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails, maybe Dark=Real posted by thessa on October 23, 2002 at 12:31:01:
Thanks Thessa,
I thought you were joking along with me, but I wanted to make sure because of the tone of the other posts when I disagreed with them.
Thanks :)
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by Conspiracy on October 22, 2002 at 19:10:43:
You might want to look at thessa's post of 10/9 "A History of Secret Human Experimentation".
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by observer on October 23, 2002 at 16:00:14:
Thanks observer, I'll do that. By the way, I hope you are getting better.
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by observer on October 23, 2002 at 16:00:14:
OK, I read it. Have those experiments actually been admitted to, or are they "rumors" at this point? I couldn't get to the root website to see who runs it and what their entire website is about. (It wouldn't load.) I know the syphilis one has been admitted to. Here is another website I found about Human Experimentation, but I really take this one with a grain of salt. This person does not even live in the U.S. I posted it because I thought all you "dark reality thinkers" (just kidding, don't get upset) would be interested. >:0)
I want to ask you - Suppose all this really is true. What to do about it? If it is true, we should all be up in arms, banging on doors, marching in the streets. We all should be screaming really, really loud, getting all of our friends, family and neighbors involved. We should contact the people who broke those stories and try to find documents and people involved and really break it wide open. The individual person can start something and do something about it. Just circulating what seem to be rumors and far out speculation, the way this information is being circulated, makes it look really, really paranoid and suspicious - it doesn't lend any credibility to it. Do you agree with that?
In Reply to: Re: Chem trails maybe??? (Archive in MCS.) posted by Conspiracy on October 23, 2002 at 17:51:28:
Ever heard of the Freedom Of Information Act? If not you should become familiar with it. It is how these
You are incredible naive if you think such as this does not happen. You crack me up
"Suppose this is really true..."
We bid you a fond farewell. Say "Hello" to all the visitors on the mothership, and tell them all earthlings
In Reply to: FOIA posted by Co Conspirator on October 23, 2002 at 23:37:34:
There's no need to get hostile Co-Con. I am just trying to have a conversation. I want to know what the truth is like everyone else.
If the government is so deep into conspiracy, then what makes you think anything given up in FOIA is the truth? Maybe they routinely stall so that you will think what you finally get from them is valuable and true, when in fact it is just more lies and conspiracy. And, if the rebel rousers are using that information to try and wake everyone up, why would the government go after them, when they are the ones who released the info to begin with? To make people think that there really is validity to it maybe? Just a thought.
By the way, just because I am questioning and trying to dig deeper to get some concrete and reliable information, does not make me naive. Taking information from one website, or information that has been foibled around from one source to many and not questioning the original source and where the information came from is naive and very gullible, I would say. But I guess asking for some validity before making something part of a concrete belief system is kind of taboo around here, huh?
Give me things to read, I'll read them with an open mind - open but questioning. I have considered everything posted here. I never thought our government was pristine, there are crappy evil people nestled in any place you look, just like tics - any company, any government, any society. I believe there have been conspiracys and wrong doings. And I think a very few lie to many so that these evil things can be pulled off. But right now, the chem trail thing is just a little bit too far off in many ways for me to buy it at this point. Could be wrong. Since you believe in it so deeply, why are you not doing something about it? That's what I don't get. This is a horrendous, terrible thing if true and I don't see how you can just sit back and slash people who don't believe in it and do nothing to try and stop it.
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by David Debmar on October 23, 2002 at 01:29:44:
Thanks, David.
This does not change my recommendations but does mean that MCS could be a part of contributing to the condition.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 00:56:48:
In the real world activity generates paperwork. Even SOB's generate paperwork, and this is what the FOIA
So there you are with TONS of REAMS of paper to throw out, destroy, make like you never did what you did,
These people often post this information on the internet in order to display it to as wide and audience
Also, remember that 99% of the people won't dig for the information themselves. How many
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 00:56:48:
Hi Conspiracy,
I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I must say after reading a lot of great journalism on the subject, I am convinced that there is something deeply awry. I do feel hot with the desire to change something, to help - but it's not something you can just jump up and start screaming about. The situation is such that a person who really wants to change things, really needs to do be convinced themselves, do their homework, understand thoroughly the set up of the "conspiracy" and then plan out how best to present their findings.
Here are some people who have done that:
Then let's not forget the intimates of the FBI whistleblower Coleen Rowley this past summer. Cheers to her.
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by thessa on October 24, 2002 at 10:17:29:
The piece was Sierra Hotel Thessa, as usual.
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by Co Conspirator on October 24, 2002 at 09:57:07:
You know co-con, I was with you up to the last sentance. I was actually enjoying what you had to say.
People want to be spoonfed, and are still for the most part putting
You actually have sooooo much common sense that it is just useless to continue this thread with you. I just can't keep up with you.
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by thessa on October 24, 2002 at 10:17:29:
Thessa,
I can't thank you enough for that information. I have a lot to read and think about.
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 11:37:59:
It is finding the truth for you. Critical Thought and Common Sense are two friends to
In Reply to: Keeping Up With Me Is So Not The Point. posted by Co Conspirator on October 24, 2002 at 12:31:30:
Yes, master. I hope to be at your level of critical thinking and common sense one day. It's obvious because of my analysis of chem trails that I am no where near your level.
In Reply to: Re: Keeping Up With Me Is So Not The Point. posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 12:51:24:
As you know, all the world around of are really fields of energy, coherent, structured and chaotic.
That is why you must define beforehand what "truth" is. Otherwise any lie, which are fed to the masses
You seem to have have comman sense, but I don't know for sure. It is of little consequence except to
The truth is out there. Find it.
In Reply to: Re: FOIA posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 12:21:53:
nmi
In Reply to: Re: FOIA & Setup Of The Conspiracy posted by Gregory on October 24, 2002 at 11:26:38:
Thanks Gregory.
You know I'm still soft on you ole bro
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by Meno Lady on October 21, 2002 at 21:54:59:
The problem seems to be coming from my stomach. A cause and effect or a circle? When I eat bread or things like that, I feel worse. I am getting better.
A second test of testostrone level was normal (mid-high) range. That was strange considering the first test was very low. Could it be the result of paxil or Hypothalemus malfunction?
Thanks for all your inputs.
David
In Reply to: Re: Light-headedness, Panic posted by David Debmar on November 10, 2002 at 03:08:11:
Hi, David.
Why not try a total elimination/provocation diet for wheat and see what happens when you have a test dose at the end of 2 weeks?
Walt
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I am a "canary" who lives close to an Air Force base. I'm under treatment for MCS and that includes reactions to chem trails.
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Start by going to the brain chemistry archives. There are now more than 500,000 chemical pollutants in our environment that have not been tested for human safety over the long haul. Symptoms begin when the person's genetic tolerance is exceeded and usually suddenly. The brain is the organ most susceptible to this environmental stress.
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LOL
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http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm
thessa
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FOIA
Posted by Co Conspirator on October 23, 2002 at 23:37:34:
things are "found out." The Government rarely "admits" anything. Usually someone with a burning
desire to know, invokes FOIA and the government has to give up the info. The governement routinely stalls
and is not above using the courts to try and sit on the info or denying its existence.
No on is banging on doors or rousing the neighbors because most people DO NOT *WANT* to know. The rabble-
rousers are BIG FAT TARGETS, and BFT's have a way of getting disappeared. Or getting inconvenient tax audits.
Yes! Here in the Land Of The Free and Home Of The Brave.
are not as gullible as you.
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accesses. SOB's and other evil types don't think what they are doing is evil, you see. Having been an
"Evil Overlord" a couple of times in my career, I can attest to this mindset. Since you what you
are doing is not evil, there is no need to hide or falsify anything. Many of those concerned are proud
of the work they've done, seeing it as reflections of their own brilliance. They are usually incapable
of compassion, but are aware the "the masses" will not see their work in a favorable light, which is
understandable as "the masses" are the labrats upon which the experiments take place. Their ultimate
results are for others "like them" (call them "the elite"). If you think of the government as contemptous of it's citizenry for the most part (not all
parts know what other parts are up to), say 85% contempt, then you will have an idea of the stance
the government takes on "releasing information." The government is also afraid of its citizenry, which is why it feels the need to take away individual
freedom and liberties. Fear in this case is insecurity, and these particular fears actually have a solid
foundation in having tortured various groups both citizens and non citizens and having those chickens
(and sons and daughters of those chickens) come home to roost.
but only part of you is aware of where that paperwork is. It's in a vast filing system, and really, who
cares? You've got bigger fish to fry, governments to destabilize, war to threaten, a whole nations
to pull the wool over the eyes of.
Meanwhile John Q Public, in the form of Joe Blow, has decided to do some digging about chem trails
or Agent Orange, or Depleted Uranium weapons and the arm of the government you are barely aware of -the one
with TONS of REAMS of paperwork of all the nasty shit that you and the other officeholders have been doing
is busy shovelling a few ounces of those reams to people who can speak bureaucrat-ese and know how to ask
for the pertinent information.
as possible. This is because, the government, to a large extent, owns the radio and television
station. Indirectly of course. See radio and TV stations are allowed to broadcast by dint of
FCC allowances, and if the FCC which is a GOVERNMENT AGENCY should find something wrong with your
license, well I guess you'd be off the air no wouldn't you?
In actual practice the goverment, and
big business have an incestous relationship. One need look no further than the FDA who is the
asshole buddy of the pharmecutical industry. The FDA has lost most of its credibility, but
as you know we live in media rich environment. This fact escapes most people (are fish aware they live in "water?")
Getting most of their feed from radio and TV who are in collusion with big business who pays their bills.
of the people here ASK for a web page for this or that reference like their fingers
are broken or something? People want to be spoonfed, and are still for the most part putting
their trust in authority rather than their own common sense (I'm assuming they have common sense
which may be attrophied from disuse). You might have some, so you should decided what is the truth FOR YOU
and go from there.
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Re: FOIA
Posted by thessa on October 24, 2002 at 10:17:29:
I must say that I didn't give much thought to govt conspiracies until moving out of the country and seeing our Nation's govt operations a bit more objectively.
John Stockwell
Daniel Ellsberg
Noam Chomsky
Micheal Moore
Arundhati Roy
best to you
thessa
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Re: FOIA & Setup Of The Conspiracy
Posted by Gregory on October 24, 2002 at 11:26:38:
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: FOIA
Posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 11:37:59:
their trust in authority rather than their own common sense (I'm assuming they have common sense
which may be attrophied from disuse). You might have some, so you should decided what is the truth FOR YOU
and go from there.
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Re: FOIA
Posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 12:21:53:
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Keeping Up With Me Is So Not The Point.
Posted by Co Conspirator on October 24, 2002 at 12:31:30:
take with you on your trip. I think you will find it worthwhile, whatever your ultimate opinion of me.
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Re: Keeping Up With Me Is So Not The Point.
Posted by Conspiracy on October 24, 2002 at 12:51:24:
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I had an interesting idea on the way to the Quantum Mechanics meeting...
Posted by Co Conspirator on October 24, 2002 at 15:00:35:
What gives them substance is the interface of conscious, specifically the personality matrix of ego,
superego, id and Higher Self. The truth, like many other man-made constructs is fluid rather than
static. It incompasses many facets, some more tuned to a higher vibration than others, by which I mean that
it will remain intact no matter which perspective it is viewed from. Whether you are a seek on the path,
or an alchohol-addled wino in the street, you will both see the same thing (minus the dancing white elephants)
everyday in huge quantities, will be sufficient to appease your quest for it.
yourself. I am not here to judge you, nor do I wish to. I merely point out that another horizon awaits,
one clear of signpost except fot the ones you yourself erect.
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Re: FOIA - Best to you Conspiracy! nmi
Posted by thessa on October 25, 2002 at 09:57:02:
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Re: FOIA & Setup Of The Conspiracy
Posted by thessa on October 25, 2002 at 09:59:22:
;)
best to you
thessa
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Re: Light-headedness, Panic
Posted by David Debmar on November 10, 2002 at 03:08:11:
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Re: Light-headedness, Panic
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 11, 2002 at 08:43:49:
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