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Leon gave me a tip awhile back (on this BB) on using magnesium (in ratio to calcium) to help with the flu-like sick feeling that comes during candida die off.
I had forgotten about it until today, and just picked some up today and will try it. (I get cal/mag in my multi vit/min supplement, but the quantity is low)
I'm wondering, are there any other herbs, etc., that can ease the uncomfortableness that anyone out there knows about?
I get very sick sometimes for days in a row. Backing off on the anti-fungals helps, but I'd prefer to keep the die-off happening to get better. But any help in this area would be greatly appreciated. I've been so debilitated I've had to quit my job.
I'd appreciate any help anyone can give. Thank you very much.
In Reply to: Any tips for relieving candida die off jitters, headaches, and general yuckiness? posted by Kai on September 02, 2000 at 20:55:16:
If you have no manganese, the magnesium (in ratio to calcium) will not be able to relieve the jittery-ness. Manganese is a co-factor to the work of the magnesium.
In Reply to: Any tips for relieving candida die off jitters, headaches, and general yuckiness? posted by Kai on September 02, 2000 at 20:55:16:
NMI
In Reply to: Re: Any tips for relieving candida die off jitters, headaches, and general yuckiness? posted by leon cavallo on September 02, 2000 at 23:45:32:
Thanks Leon.
My multivit/min. supplement has 400 mg calcium (total daily), 300 mg magnesium (total daily), and 5 mg. manganese (total daily), plus I've also started taking and additional 1000 mg calcium with 500 mg magnesium (total daily).
What amounts do you recommend to deal with the jitteriness? How much manganese and is this enough calcium/magnesium?
Thank you.
In Reply to: Leon--what amounts? posted by Kai on September 03, 2000 at 19:16:08:
Hard to answer. Depends on your body. Most minerals need to be held in a sort of balance with one another. Differnt bodies start at different levels-- how much do you have before supplementation ? who knows-- and different people are able to get more or less from diet and supplements. The world is imperfect , especially in terms of our bodies, isnt it ???
Try differnt things. But i should say that if you are getting some of ewach of these three and if you are indeed absorbing and using them, then it is probably not very likely that getting more manganese is needed.
What i do know is that if i have gone several days without a multi-vitamin with manganese, i will be able to take tons of calcium & magnesium (in not more than 2 to 1 ratio) without the calming benefit of the magnesium. In other words, the manganese i get from my diet is not enough to provide the right level to act as a co-factor to magnesium in ALL of its duties. Now, do i need more manganese because I dont eat enough ? DOubtfull , bc i eat scrupulously well ;-) Am I not taking it up properly ? Perhaps. Do i just need more for some other reason ? maybe.
my simplistic CONCLUSION:
I just know that when magnesium and calcium supplements are not calming me down, and I take a little manganese, magnesium starts to work.
(I'm sure my levels of other nutrients play a role too !)
In Reply to: Re: Leon--what amounts? posted by leon cavallo on September 03, 2000 at 23:05:26:
Wouldn't it be nice if we could have an affordable simple blood test and/or urinalysis and/or hair analysis that would come back with accurate results for each individual and tell us we need exactly this many mg of THIS and this many mg of THAT...
I suppose this exists and I do not know of it. There was one test offered to my son at one point that I think could do similar things but it was something like $350 and we could not affort it.
In Reply to: Re: Leon--what amounts? -- Wouldn't it be nice if... posted by KMD on September 03, 2000 at 23:59:14:
Hi, Kathy.
There is not yet such a test because we do not yet know the questions to ask and even when we do we will not yet understand how to interpret the answers about what to DO for the individual because of the "biochemisal individuality" postulated by Dr Williams 60 years ago and just now being figured out by the human genome project.
------Not if you paid 10 times the $350 test-----
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Leon--what amounts? -- Wouldn't it be nice if... posted by Walt Stoll on September 04, 2000 at 10:19:20:
Hi, Walt
When I read the initial post I wondered that even if such a test did exist for how long the recommendations would be valid anyway. It seems that nutritional therapies can assist in correcting some conditions and that the initial needs may be different than those a month or year later. I was thinking specifically about the cases I read at FMU treated with nutritional therapies and the changes they made in the treatment as the patient progressed.
I guess awareness and trial and error are the best we can do, and sometimes I think the self-awareness (or being really tuned in to your child, in this case) is worth more than all the tests in the world.
June
In Reply to: Re: Leon--what amounts? posted by leon cavallo on September 03, 2000 at 23:05:26:
In Reply to: Leon--what amounts? posted by Kai on September 03, 2000 at 19:16:08:
Just had another thought...
Are you eating wheat ?
It seems that everywhere I read about people suffering with candida, leaky gut, "chronic fatigue," and the like, I read about the involvement of wheat and magnesium absorbtion problems. I have read many differnt things about the way the two things are related and i think there is a lot of speculation, however I have noticed a few things in my own body.
The most significant thing is that if i eat wheat/wheat products, i need a LOT more magnesium than if i dont eat those things...even if I eat only a little wheat. (Ofcourse, i dont eat wheat as a rule.) Perhpas the consumption of wheat (in people with a gluten problem/ the likes of gluten enteropathy/ forms of celiac disease ?) creates a problem for the absorbtion of magnesium in the intestines (creates a problem with the carrier proteins for magnesium ? creates a problem at the site specific to magnesium uptake in the intestine ?
Whatever, this is ironic because unprocessed wheat is RICH in magnesium.
Perhaps the problem with gluten is an absence of the enzyme to digest this protein , because the proper intestinal flora are not in place to produce it ? as in what people call "lactose intollerance," when the real issue is that same lack-- a lack of proper intestinal flora to produce lactAse for us to digest loactOse.
Hmm...anyway, perhaps you can reduce your jittery-ness in this way by not eating wheat...(in effect perhaps the same thing as just taking more magnesium/minerals). Perhaps wheat is causing you the same sort of problem (like wasting your magnesium ) , as i have read about , the way it does for me. Do you eat wheat ?
In Reply to: Re: Walt, about amounts/test posted by June on September 04, 2000 at 11:05:45:
Hi, June.
EVENTUALLY there will BE tests. For now, you are right: Trial and error and KEEPING RECORDS are the best one can do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Walt, about amounts/test posted by June on September 04, 2000 at 11:05:45:
Hi, June.
EVENTUALLY there will BE tests. For now, you are right: Trial and error and KEEPING RECORDS are the best one can do.
Walt
In Reply to: Thanks Leon & Dawn. I'll try the coffee enema too. posted by Kai on September 04, 2000 at 18:43:06:
Kai
just wondering, what methods are you using to kill off the candida infection ?
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