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Hello,
This is a back ground of what led up to my current condition; insomnia for 4 years, sleeping pills for 2, was taken off them in one day and had bad withdrawls, felt okay but never got my sleep back or was able to work full time again, last november got my first cold sore which I caught from a friend, a month later I was in bed with aching muscles, worse insomnia, fever on and off, sore throat, was diagnoised with chronic fatigue, started SR, was going to get a stool test for candida/lgs, had one in May of 2000 that showed dysbosis already but the ND never told me that. This past summer I noticed more and more allergies to pollen, food, etc., and then in August I had a 5 second exposure to a bug and tar remover while washing my car, it made me dizzy, light headed, I went in the house and it cleared up. Two weeks later, my hands started to burn, I had blood work done, it was fine, then I became sensitive to just about all smells. I have had to change soaps, shampoos, cleaing supplies, etc. Now, I know what happened but, I am not able to get to a doctor for the lack of funds for the testing which won't be covered. I know my gut is really bad now, since then I have had light, yellow, burning stools that are too lose, muscle pain, worse insomnia, more hormonal problems, rashes, hives, etc. What I need to find out after hours of reading and getting more confused by the second is, what do I do first? I know I have to kill the yeast but, do I clean the colon first, the liver, everything I read says you have to have a clean colon, then do the liver, then yeast, but is this right? I don't have the money to order 30 supplements, I want to do this right and get well, this is no way to live but I truly believe I can get well if I give my body what it needs, along with SR. My apologies for the length of this post but I wanted to get it all in here so that anyone that could make a suggestion would have as much info as possible. Thank you in advance for any help. I wish you all good health : )
Lisa Lynn
In Reply to: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn on October 18, 2001 at 15:23:22:
The idea about cleaning the gut is mostly reserved for those of us who are constipated. It's important when cleaning the gut of yeast that the bowels move. You don't seem to have that problem. The program is the three legged stool. You're doing 1) SR (are you getting to the relaxation response?) you can also do 2) Exercise: 30 min, 3 x a week min (walking is fine) and 3) Eat a whole foods diet, or at least cut out all the manufactured foods that you can, eliminate all sugars and starches. Make sure you're getting lots of leafy and green veggies. All of these things can be done for free. And if you do these things, your liver, colon etc. will start to be cleansed by themselves.
There are several good posts by Helping You. I will search for a specific post, I have most of them copied.
Things you can do now without anti-fungals, or while doing anti-fungals:
1) L-Glutamine- will help the gut mend itself. It's pretty cheap.
3) Magnesium supplementation. Magnesium Glycinate or "Chelated Magnesium". Everyone is deficient.
2) Primal Defense - Not cheap. It coss me about $90 a month, but you can do it while you do the anti-fungals, and it is working wonders for me. And I can promise you, your bowels will no longer burn you. It's great stuff.
I was addicted to sleeping pills to for a while. I now take Elavil (prescrption, but in small dose, 25 mg, very cheap) and I take Melatonin (3 mg also very cheap) and make sure I sleep in a totally dark room. I was really surprised how well that works. My sleeping also improved when I started exercising regularly. Not a perfect solution, but I get to sleep every night.
Just some suggestions, I am not a doctor.
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Beth E. on October 18, 2001 at 16:54:59:
Hello Beth,
Thank you for your advise : ) I never thought of the fact that the cleanse would be better suited for constipation, I was under the assumption that we all needed to increase the fiber and reduce the mucos in the intestines and colon. I am not sure why I have the reverse of what most do with yeast and LGS but I will look into the natural anti fungals and a mild fiber. Can I take the Primal Defense before a round of anti fungals? As for my diet, I eat have become allergic to a lot of foods, mainly eating veggies, brown rice and organic chicken now. I want to rotate my foods but am not able to at the moment. Do you take any enzymes for digestion? Thank you again for your help, I have to start on a program but don't want to make myself worse. Oh, the SR, I am doing it but not sure if I am reaching the stages I have to, I want to get a machine that would tell me but am not able to at the moment.
Be Well : )
Lisa Lynn
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn to Beth on October 18, 2001 at 22:05:04:
Well, that's a lot of questions. Alright, yes, you can start Primal Defense without doing antifungals. That's what I'm doing. I have a very sensitive bladder, and most things bother it. So, I'm doing Primal Defense for a while. I needed to do something less rigorous that a full blown assault.
I don't take any enzymes for digestion because Primal Defense does many enzyme-like things. My digestion has gotten so much better just by using this product. I'd say it's improved 80%. You are supposed to take it 30 minutes before you eat, or two hours after you eat. No more burning stools, it's very soothing.
Here's a link that will give you some signs that you are reaching the relaxation response. I bought a thermometer that I attach to my finger which tells me if my hands are warm, a typical response. As I usually start at around 80 degrees and end up at 95, I figure I'm doing it right. Plus, I also get a bunch of the other of the other signs.
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Beth E. on October 19, 2001 at 00:41:19:
Here's the right one.
In Reply to: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn on October 18, 2001 at 15:23:22:
I am no expert, thus I am attaching a link to a post by Helping You on 7/21/01, which summarizes what to start. Each person is different, and needs to have own game plans. But what you can start seems to be the same for everybody. After that, having patience and tailoring your program will follow. Skilled Relaxation ("SR") or diet requires no cost but tremendous amount of dedication. Some of the supplements are not cheap, but good ones recommended here seem to be worth the money. Giving up one expensive eat-out a month will generate cost for Primal Defence. I need jump start a program myself. Good luck and stick with it!
In Reply to: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn on October 18, 2001 at 15:23:22:
make this simple for yourself. You have ONE problem. LGS that has progressed into multiple Chemical Sensitivity. Your best bet is to continue your SR and do the following:
1) Rotate your foods. If you do this, you will not have to avoid many foods. You should, however, avoid dairy, gluten grains, refined foods of ANY kind.
2) Eat whole foods diet based on fish, organic chicken, beef, organ meats, eggs, non-starchy vegetables, cold-pressed olive oil, moderate amounts of legumes, non-gluten grains, nuts, fruits (low sugar only), and lactofermented foods (www.westonaprice.org)
3) The only supplements you could use are:
a. L-glutamine = 5 to 10g per day between meals
b. Probiotics = Primal Defense is best for your problem
c. Multivitamin/mineral that you can tolerate
Your body will clean itself on this type of diet. LGS is causing the candida, MCS. Candida can be relieved faster with herbal antifungals. There are many posts in the archives regarding how to eliminate candida faster. SR is of huge help here but candida often needs erradication by antifungals. However, without SR, you can all but forget about healing LGS in the long run. L-glutamine fuels the lining of the digestive system and fosters the healing of LGS in the short-run. This will help your MCS.
If after reading this, more in the archives as well, if you have questions, I will be happy to help. Take Care.
-HY
In Reply to: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn on October 18, 2001 at 15:23:22:
http://scdiet.org
Best,
Spanky
In Reply to: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn on October 18, 2001 at 15:23:22:
Hi, Lisa Lynn.
IF you will be sure that you are doing the SR that is right for you, and practicing it at least twice a day for 20 minutes, you are doing what you need to do right now!
See the liver archives and the detoxification archives for what else you can do right now to start unburdening your bodymind.
Finally, the elimination/provocation diet will help you unload some of the environmental stresses. It is a LOT easier to manipulate dietary stressors than inhalents or contactants.
Let us know what you learn and step by step you will get out of this.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Helping You on October 19, 2001 at 12:14:29:
Hello : )
I can't thank you enough for your help, it is frightening to get this sick and not have a doctor who knows what to do. I did have a comprehensive stool test done in May of 2000 before I really got sick that showed severe dysbiosis (the doc never told me), it also showed several other factors, one being Rhodotorula that was high and several others I am not sure of. It suggested that I take plant tannins and Berberine for this yeast. I am certain things are a lot worse now, in your opinion, should I use a fiber supplement to help wash the yeast out while doing the anti fungals and Primal Defense? When I start the PD, may I do that at the same time as the anti fungals? I printed out at least four of your posts and have them in my "bible", a binder I made on how I hope to get well. My apologies if I ask more questions even after reading, I am in such a weakened state that I am afraid to anything that may make me worse. I will read over all of your posts again today and order what you feel I will need in the form of anti funglas if they are different than the ones you usually suggest. I did order Goatein, is this something you recommend? My body is so depleted I had read it might help. Thank you again, I do hope someday I can help you as well : )
Lisa Lynn
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Beth E. on October 19, 2001 at 00:41:19:
Hello Beth,
Thank you so much for your help : ) I apologize for all the questions, I am afraid to do anything wrong as I am at a state where my body is too weak for a mistake. I will try what you said and I am confident it will help, I look forward to a normal movement, as silly as that sounds! I will also continue with the SR and look for the signs that I am doing it right. I wish you the best of health and again, thank you for your kindness.
Lisa Lynn
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start,. (Archive in MCS.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2001 at 14:47:35:
thank you
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Masako on October 19, 2001 at 04:36:35:
thank you again
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Masako on October 19, 2001 at 04:36:35:
Thanks, Masako!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Helping You on October 19, 2001 at 12:14:29:
Thanks, Helping YOu.
Your contributions are always so down to earth. Mine used to be like this but I think all these years of saying the same things over and over have made me push the archives instead of repeating myself.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Lisa Lynn to Helping You on October 19, 2001 at 14:57:50:
Hi again. The more simple you keep this, the better off you will be in the long run. Trust me on this. I have taken just about every concoction ever pedled. 95% of it is worthless. You need to deal with the other 5%. Follow the advice in my above post and let me clarrify your other questions:
Rhodotrula is difficult to erradicate. Take something called Tanalbit. Also, get 2 products from metagenics called Candibactin AR and Candibactin BR. This is a potent berberine complex/volitle oils. Take 1 of the brown capsules and 2 of the yellow-looking tablets (together) 3x a day between meals. Take the fiber (without FOS) before bed and first thing in the morning. You can take Primal Defense along with the antifungals. Just try to take them several hours away from the antifungals. Don't take the L-glutamine until your bugs are cleared. A multi-vitamin/mineral is fine. Don't worry about Goatein for now. Stick with whole foods. The above is plenty of supplements to take. You should clear the yeast in about a month on this program. Keep up the good work with the SR. I hope this answers your questions.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Walt Stoll on October 20, 2001 at 10:07:19:
Dr. Stoll:
Helping You's and many others' down-to-earth answers really warm our hearts. I have no doubt that, from their posts, we all get encouragement, not just information. Beginners, including myself, need to get direct answers in order to obtain some kind of assurance -- "you too can do it." Readers of this BB go through this beginning stage. Otherwise they would not have launched the site to start with. "I'm sick too sick to even go through the archives, and I need a help NOW." People are weak when sick. I wish I had enough knowledge like Helping You to answer their questions so that I can at least calm down those people. I was frustrated myself and I still am, because there is so much information scattered all over the archives (it's a good thing, through).
Please don't feel too bad about referring to the archives. In fact you are answering to questions that have not been answered. That's a lot of contribution. Dr. Stoll, you have a wonderful web. I don't know how you maintain the site (time and cost). If there is anything I can do (???) except finding good archives for the questions that have been already answered, let me (us) know.
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Masako on October 22, 2001 at 18:29:02:
Thanks, Masako.
Your last sentence would be a very BiG help! I keep archiving stuff that I think was never specifically discussed before but know of no other way to be sure the information will be available. Help like you are suggesting would make this information available to a lot more people.
I agree, completely, with your comment about sick people not having the energy to do much for themselves. It is also true that sick people do not make the best decisions. Many of the irate people on this BB, who seem not willing to help themselves, fall into that catagory. The more people like you who can help, the more people who will be able to find what it takes for them to get started (THE HARDEST THING TO DO).
Namaste'
Walt
In Reply to: Re: SEVERE LGS, canida, MCS, I don't know where to start, just more confused posted by Helping You on October 22, 2001 at 00:44:43:
Question: I thought that we're supposed to get going with the L-Glutamine right away, even if we're full of parasites. It was my understanding that we're supposed to be aggressive with the LGS supplement-wise (not just SR)from the very beginning. But you're saying that we should wait until the bugs are gone. I have Candida; a CDSL showed me as clean for everything else, but I'm sure I have other guests. Should I not be taking the L-Glutamine yet? Thanks.
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