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What Are The Alternatives To Premarin?

Posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:


Dr. Stoll:

When I found out that Premarin came from urine of pregnant horses, I was outraged at the cruelty to animals!

I am confused about why women are receiving estrogen replacement. I have learned that estrogen can cause breast cancer cells to grow, so why would estrogen be given to women?

Leilani Tejeda offers Bliss Cream as a natural transdermal progesterone. Could this progesterone be used instead of Premarin?

Thank You,
Pam

http://www.rockisland.com/~castalia/premarin.html



Re: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin?

Posted by Barb on July 11, 2002 at 02:44:14:

In Reply to: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:

Hi Pam,
Dr. Stoll recommends estriol instead of premarin. A really excellent book to read that is reader friendly is "Natural Woman, Natural Menopause" written by Marcus Laux,N.D. In the book Marcus discusses safe alternatives to Premarin and Provera by using plant-derived hormones.


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Dr. John Lee ~ Hormone Balance Test

Posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 10:10:47:

In Reply to: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:


Dr. John Lee ~ Hormone Balance Test

http://www.johnleemd.net/forms/hb_test.html

Find Out if Your Symptoms Are Due to a Hormonal Imbalance

Read carefully through the list of symptoms in each group, and put a check mark next to each symptom that you have.

(If you check off the same symptom in more than one group, that's fine.)

Go back and count the check marks in each group.

In any group where you have two or more symptoms checked off, there's a good chance that you have the hormone imbalance represented by that group.

The more symptoms you check off, the higher the likelihood that you have the hormone imbalance represented by that group.

(Some people may have more than one type of hormonal imbalance.)

It is recommended that you print these pages and use them as a reference.

Go to the answers

HORMONE BALANCE TEST FOR WOMEN

SYMPTOM GROUP 1
PMS
Insomnia
Early miscarriage
Painful and/or lumpy breasts
Unexplained weight gain
Cyclical headaches
Anxiety
Infertility

SYMPTOM GROUP 2
Vaginal dryness
Night sweats
Painful intercourse
Memory problems
Bladder infections
Lethargic depression
Hot flashes

SYMPTOM GROUP 3
Puffiness and bloating
Cervical dysplasia (abnormal pap smear)
Rapid weight gain
Breast tenderness
Mood swings
Heavy bleeding
Anxious depression
Migraine headaches
Insomnia
Foggy thinking
Red flush on face
Gallbladder problems
Weepines

SYMPTOM GROUP 4
A combination of the symptoms in #1 and #3

SYMPTOM GROUP 5
Acne
Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)
Excessive hair on the face and arms
Hypoglycemia and/or unstable blood sugar
Thinning hair on the head
Infertility
Ovarian cysts
Mid-cycle pain

SYMPTOM GROUP 6
Debilitating fatigue
Unstable blood sugar
Foggy thinking
Low blood pressure
Thin and/or dry skin
Intolerance to exercise
Brown spots on face



Natural Hormones

Posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 11:04:35:

In Reply to: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:


WHAT IS A NATURAL HORMONE?
http://www.johnleemd.com/exfromdrlees.html

Not too long ago Dr. Lee was confronted at a conference by the owner of a large herbal products company who claimed that Dr. Lee was incorrect in referring to the progesterone used in the creams as "natural" because it was manufactured or synthesized in a laboratory, and that made it synthetic.

This is a confusion in semantics that we hear frequently.

In fact progesterone is far more natural to your body than any plant is because your body actually manufactures the identical substance.

The progesterone manufactured in the laboratory has the identical molecular configuration of the progesterone that your body makes.

It does not matter if the body makes the hormone, or a chemist makes it from a plant extract or from anything else.

If it is the identical molecule, it is the identical hormone.

The source of the progesterone is unimportant in this context.

We usually think of the word synthetic as meaning something that is produced artificially, and is not found in nature, such as plastics and pharmaceutical drugs.

For example, the "hormone" Provera is made from the same substances that natural progesterone is made from, but the molecular configuration of it is changed in the laboratory so that it is not identical to anything found in nature.

But natural progesterone made in the laboratory is identical to that made in the human body.

In other words, what makes a substance "synthetic" or "natural" in this context is whether or not it can be found in nature.

The same distinctions apply to estrogens.

The two types of estrogen in Premarin taken separately are natural (found in nature) and not synthetic, but not all of the estrogen in Premarin is natural to humans.

About half of it is human estrogen, and about half is horse estrogen -- a molecule not found in the human body.

It's ironic that the manufacturer of Premarin has tried to advertise it as a natural product.

Since about half of the estrogen in Premarin is estrone (which is natural to humans) and the other half consists of a different estrogen that is natural only to horses and is extracted from pregnant horse urine, it is natural, strictly speaking, only if you are half horse and half human!

It's unfortunate that so much of estrogen research has been done with Premarin, so we don't have a truly accurate knowledge base of the effects of human estrogen versus horse estrogen.

Natural estrogens extracted from wild yams or soybeans that are identical to those made by the human body are easily available by prescription in the form of creams, tablets and patches.

These are estrone, estradiol and estriol, so there is no reason to take horse estrogen.

Plants do not make human hormones, but some plants make compounds that have some hormonal effect.

These, in their natural form, are called phytohormones ("plant-based" hormones). Although they are not the same as our hormones they may have some hormonal activity.


[Excerpted from What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About PREmenopause: Balance Your Hormones and Your Life from Thirty to Fifty, by John R. Lee, M.D., Jesse Hanley, M.D. and Virginia Hopkins, Warner Books, 1999.
Copyright, Warner Books 1999]



Re: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin?

Posted by Naya on July 11, 2002 at 14:58:50:

In Reply to: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:

Would you please explain to me how taking a horse's urine is cruel to the animal? Would you mind if somebody used your urine for some reason? Do they catheterize the mares? If not, what's the harm done to the animal?



Re: What all women should know (about Premarin)

Posted by Jan S. on July 11, 2002 at 17:21:03:

In Reply to: Re: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Naya on July 11, 2002 at 14:58:50:

Hi Naya. You ask a good question - what is wrong with using the urine? It sounds fairly innocent, doesn't it? If so, read on.

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/articles/all_women.html

What all women should know..

Where do these designer hormone replacement drugs come from anyway?

The most popular synthetic estrogen is a drug called Premarin, made from the urine of pregnant horses! This is no joke. Manufactured by the Philadelphia pharmaceutical giant Wyeth-Ayerth since 1942, an estimated $940 million per year (Sellman p5) worldwide is generated by the sale of this one drug. Most estimates are that at least 75% of HRT drugs contain Premarin. Since 1993, Premarin has been among the top three drugs in the U.S. in gross sales. (National Center for Health Statistics)

In 1992, Wyeth-Ayerth spent $9 million just for advertising Premarin! Their ad execs came up with the brilliant phrase "untreated menopause." That same year Premarin was the #1 drug prescribed in the U.S. (Robbins, p 140).

This is marketing mastery.

Before we consider the effectiveness of this drug, let's briefly look at the circumstances involved in its preparation.

Some 700 "horse farms" are set up in remote areas of the United States and Canada. Most of them have extensive security, and with good reason. At any one time, some 80,000 or so horses suffer the slow torture of life as a lab rat. Each mare is strapped into a tiny stall in which there is no room to lie down or even turn around. For seven months of the 11 month pregnancy, the horse is immobilized in the stall, hooked up to a catheter which collects all her urine. She is deprived of sufficient water in order to make the urine more concentrated, thus raising its value to the drug company. Infections frequently occur at the site of the catheter and from the restraining apparatus. Liver and kidney disease are common.

The foals themselves are referred to as "by-products" by the manufacturing company and are generally sold to the slaughterhouse. The mare is immediately impregnated after she has given birth and soon is imprisoned back in the tiny stall for another run. After about 12 years of this horrible life, the mares are themselves slaughtered and sold for dogmeat.

This has been going on for 56 years! Over one million horses have been cruelly abused in this way.

In Canada, the foaling generally takes place on open prairie. Mother and foal are immediately separated, and most of the foals die. The ones that survive are extremely stressed, and with good reason: they are sold to slaughterhouses and shipped to Europe and Japan where certain cuts are regarded as delicacies.

I think you get the point. For more details follow up at www.allrealgood.com Information like this tends to suggest that agencies like the ASPCA are basically PR fronts focusing on self-promotion and making sure dogs in Jack Nicholson movies get enough overtime.

Even if Premarin were the true answer to all of menopause's annoyances, reviewing the above data should be enough for any sane person to feel some twinge of guilt about contributing to a program of such horrendous cruelty. Menopause can't be that bad, can it? But the reality is that Premarin and other HRT synthetics do not work, do not do what they're supposed to do, and have major side effects. If you have any notion whatsoever of universal harmony or equilibrium, it seems logical that we're not gonna get away with this. And we don't. The first payback is one of the biggies: cancer.

(I have this great role-reversal premise for a novel, which describes an Afterlife in which the animals owned by humans in this life later are reincarnated into the position of Master themselves, with their former owners as pets. Pretty cool, huh?)

Henry Lemon MD of the University of Nebraska College of Medicine feels that an unnatural imbalance is caused by putting horse estrogens into a woman's body. The body does not allow two of the three naturally occurring estrogens, estradiol and estrone, to hang around very long. It converts them into the non-carcinogenic estriol, as soon as possible. Such a helpful conversion cannot happen with Premarin because of the amounts involved. So the propensity for cancer is clearly seen: the carcinogenic forms are allowed to persist.

Premarin was approved by the FDA over 50 years ago, when requirements were must less stringent. There are many unknown ingredients in Premarin which may be normal in a horse, but not a human. It is likely that these are instrumental in the abnormally high rates of uterine and breast cancer following HRT, which rates are anywhere from a 30% to a 600% increase above normal, depending on the study. (Lee)

Are women informed? Hardly. Information like the above is very bad for business.



Re: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? (Archive in HRT.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 12, 2002 at 07:02:04:

In Reply to: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:

Hi, Pam.

I hope you did not miss my long explanation about this that I posted yesterday.

Progesterone is a totally different hormone than estrogen and has totally different effects. The substitution of estriol for premarin is the best that I can recommend so far.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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What all women should know (about Premarin) Archive under esrogen replacement.

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 12, 2002 at 07:06:22:

In Reply to: Re: What all women should know (about Premarin) posted by Jan S. on July 11, 2002 at 17:21:03:

Thanks, Jan.

Perhaps the internet will still save us from this kind of crap continuing. "The bonds of which we are unaware are the most binding of tham all!"

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Natural Hormones (Archive in estrogen replacement.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 12, 2002 at 07:08:28:

In Reply to: Natural Hormones posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 11:04:35:

Thanks, Pam.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Dr. John Lee ~ Hormone Balance Test (Archive in hormone imbalance.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 12, 2002 at 07:09:51:

In Reply to: Dr. John Lee ~ Hormone Balance Test posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 10:10:47:

Thanks, Pam.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin?

Posted by R. on July 12, 2002 at 13:43:38:

In Reply to: What Are The Alternatives To Premarin? posted by Pam on July 11, 2002 at 02:35:12:

Maca can be an alternative... for those for whom it works.

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