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Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long)

Posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2003 at 23:00:47:

I had my 2nd quadrant done last Thursday, a week ago. This time it was the three back teeth on the lower right. The upper right was done 3 weeks ago. Except for the 2 onlays I need, I'm half done with the dental revision. I've got temporary filling material in those two teeth now until the onlays come back from the lab, so I have to be careful chewing, and no flossing on that side.

This time the drilling was very painful-the mercury fillings were very large and deep in two teeth. All three of the teeth had decay under the fillings that did not really show up definitively on x-rays, so they needed more than just the filling material drilled out. The dentist said something like 80% of mercury amalgam fillings have decay underneath because they expand and contract differently than the tooth material and do not seal well. I had one injection of anesthetic, then another, then more anesthetic, but it still hurt. Also very hard on my jaw, having my mouth open wide for an or more hour, since I have TMJ problems and a small mouth. He gave me a block on the opposite side to bite down on and that helped a lot. So did massaging my masseter muscle before he started working. Eventually it relaxed enough to diminish the pain and I was marginally comfortable. I also did a lot of bracing while I was in the chair, so the next day I had a well-deserved massage, concentrating on neck, shoulders, and upper back.

Anyone planning dental revision, don't take vitamin C the day of the procedure. I didn't take my usual 3-4 gram morning dose the day of the procedure, but I did have it the night before, and I also think I took at least one supplement in the morning that had a little C in it. That makes the anesthetic less effective, which could have been part of my problem. I have fibromyalgia, so am very sensitive to pain. They advised taking something for inflammation before the procedure, so don't rely on C for that. They said Ibuprofen, but since I don't take any OTCs, I just took vitamin E and enzymes with lots of bromelain.

This time I asked for supplemental air/oxygen, since there was a lot of mercury to be drilled out. They wheeled in the nitrous oxide tank and turned off the nitrogen part. The mask was kind of a rubber apparatus they laid across my face over my nose. It was heavy enough that it didn't move and I was glad I'd asked for the air. Deep breathing helped me relax without having to worry about inhaling all those mercury vapors.

I took 6 of my Toxin Free detox capsules as soon as I got home, plus other stuff to support my liver, and vitamin C for detox & inflammation. Later that morning I went for IV therapy at my doctor's office--2000mg of L-glutathione IV push. After that I went home and took one packet of the Questran/cholysteramine Rx to clear the bile salts & toxins out of my liver. Later I took my bowel cleanser and more vitamin C to make sure the mercury/bile salts/toxin combo didn't stick around long. I just read this week that you should take activated charcoal immediately after mercury amalgam removal to help absorb/sweep out any mercury you might have swallowed. Good suction technique by the tech and the use of a rubber dam will minimize this, but it might not be a bad idea for situations where large amounts of mercury are drilled out and something might slip past into the mouth. You have to take the charcoal away from/before other supplements because it can absorb them as well.

I had a much worse time this round with pain the day of the procedure. A hot rice pack helped, as did lots of rest and SR. I felt pretty good the next couple of days, but then I got worse. In the week since this has been done, I've felt kind of toxic, more tired than usual, constipated, and like my brain chemistry/amino acids/neurotransmitters are out of whack. The vision disturbances that had pretty much cleared up for a couple of months are now back, and I just feel brain fogged, unable to concentrate on much, and out of sorts. Definitely the worst days yesterday and today. After both quadrants I've had a lot of temperature sensitivity on the drilled teeth. The first quadrant was better in a week, but then I had detox headaches.

Maybe this was all too much for me to deal with at once, since I started my period the other day and I had my 4th neurocranial restructuring (NCR) treatment at the beginning of the month. To help myself through all this, I've been on a modified fast for a week and a half, and am preparing to do a liver flush tomorrow. I'm still continuing with the detox supplements, keeping my digestive system humming along, and have not eaten any processed foods and am very light on grains since starting the modified fast. I think I'd better start juicing my veggies again-I've missed a couple of days. I did decide that I'm not going to do any more NCR until after the last amalgam replacement is done, and my chelation is complete, in case there is some interference. I know having the mouth open for long periods of time, with pressure on the jaws can aggravate the cranial bones & musculature in that area and even change the structure. I don't know yet what to do about my root canal/crown tooth (that contains mercury & was not completed to the bottom of the roots) or searching for cavitations from my extracted wisdom teeth or jaw bone problems from the root canal. The dentist said to wait until all the replacement is done, see how I feel, and then decide when and if to do more.

For anyone considering amalgam replacement, if your dental insurance does not cover the expense, if you have an annual limit on covered expenses, or if you don't have dental insurance, there is another possibility. We heard of someone locally who received their maximum dental benefits for the year, then paid out of pocket for the rest of the amalgam replacement. He had been very sick and obtained a letter from his complementary MD stating that his health was very much compromised by the presence of dental amalgams. He contacted his company's HR department and they supported him submitting the letter and claim to his medical insurance. He received a reimbursement for the work that wasn't covered by the dental insurance, minus his deductible, co-payment, etc.

One more thing about mercury & body pain…I read somewhere that if you drink orange juice or eat oranges when you have amalgam fillings, you could have an arthritis-type pain reaction that lasts 4 days. I haven't had orange juice or oranges for several months, but I did have some juice a couple days in a row last week. It was probably not coincidental that my hip and low back pain came back big time! When I thought about what I'd done, I stopped the OJ right away. Now, several days later, the hip and low back pain are very mild. Most people who drink orange juice do it every day, and since the effect lasts four days, they have a continuous pain reaction. If you have amalgams and arthritis pain (I've got fibromyalgia) and consume oranges, try stopping them to see how you do!

That's about all I have to report. I haven't made an appointment for round three yet. I get my permanent onlays in a couple of weeks, so I'll probably make the next appointment that day. Since I only have one small filling on the lower left (next to the root canal'ed tooth which won't be dealt with for a while) I might just have that lower tooth done with the three on the top and get it over with. Or I might do two shorter appointments so I minimize the time my jaw is open and the mercury dose, since I'm having such a rough time this quadrant. Will see how I feel and discuss it with the dentist next time.

Hope this helps someone!

Take care,

Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long)

Posted by Naya on March 13, 2003 at 23:35:52:

In Reply to: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2003 at 23:00:47:

Hi Nutmeg! Thanks very much for the update on your progress. I had been thinking of you. Sounds pretty gruesome, but I see you are doing lots for prevention and detox. Kudos! Your news has me slightly intimidated, but not without hope. Obviously, the mercury is a toxin from hell and you are well on your way to getting rid of it.

I hope you continue to improve and post your experiences on the board. I, for one, truly appreciate it. I'm sure all your news will be informative for others as well.

I wish you all the best. Rest up!

Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) Archive in mercury.

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 14, 2003 at 09:36:12:

In Reply to: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2003 at 23:00:47:

Thanks, Nutmeg.


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Some questions that you've probably answered long ago... (sorry)

Posted by WendyO on March 14, 2003 at 10:21:14:

In Reply to: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2003 at 23:00:47:

1). How did you go about locating a suitable dentist? I called Dr. Huggins' (sp?) office, but they said they no longer offered referrals, and the closest dentist they knew of would be in Maryland (I'm in Connecticut). So I contacted this gentleman, but he hasn't responded.

2). What kind of healthcare practitioner do you go to (ND, holistic, MD, etc), and how did you go about finding someone who would work with you in conjunction to the work your dentist is doing?

3). How expensive (generally, would you say) are the de-contamination treatments (chelation, etc)? Are they covered under your health insurance?

Thanks a bunch for any feedback.

:) Wendy

Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long)

Posted by Amalgam Remover on March 14, 2003 at 12:57:48:

In Reply to: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2003 at 23:00:47:

Hi Nutmeg,

I haven't been on the board for a while, but am really glad to see that you decided to go for it. I don't think you'll regret it.

I have the same problem with one root canal that is almost 25 years old. And another on my front tooth from an accident where I bashed my mouth into metal. I am not going to do anything for a while, I think, but the old one is giving me some trouble. I just want to stay away from dentists for a while after that experience.

I am having a little trouble with two of my onlays. One was place improperly leaving a big crack and my tooth was extremely sensitive to hot/cold. Had to have that one redone. Now another one on the opposite side chipped when I was flossing. I am not sure whether this is dentist error, or just part of what comes with having those types of fillings. If you are interested, I will let you know when I find out.

Re: Some questions that you've probably answered long ago... (sorry)

Posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 14:58:52:

In Reply to: Some questions that you've probably answered long ago... (sorry) posted by WendyO on March 14, 2003 at 10:21:14:

Hi Wendy,

Nope, I don't believe I've answered those questions yet :)

I really lucked out with the doctor & dentist! I'd first been to this doctor (a rare-breed holistic MD) a couple of times about a year and a half ago. I wasn't overly thrilled with his approach then, because he really focused on supplements & liver cleansing on my first visit. I went on a special liver cleansing diet & took his numerous recommended supplements for about 4 months and felt only a little bit better. Because he is the only decent environmental illness/allergy doc in the area, I decided to give him another try last fall before I opted to go out of the area (150-200 miles to the next closest), which I didn't really want to do. He reviewed my history again at my November '02 visit, then asked me how much mercury I had in my mouth. When I showed him, he told me he really didn't think I'd get well until I had it all removed & replaced. He'd had his done and couldn't believe how much better he was feeling with his energy level, brain fog, pain, and digestion, all the things I have problems with. We have similar health problems, the doctor and me, so that's a plus. I'd just had another doctor, the ND I go to for NCR, tell me the same thing, so with two doctors telling me they couldn't help me much, I was starting to realize I had to get the mercury out.

My doctor told me of 3 local dentists who do amalgam removal. I've since learned that any dentist can actually do it and replace with composite material, but I wanted someone experienced & who actually considered mercury a health risk, or at least a poor choice for fillings, and who was informed about biocompatibility. I went to my former dentist one last time for a cleaning in January. He counseled me against having it done, but told me that if I insisted, he'd be glad to do it for me. Yeah, right! He put half of them in, plus he did the botched root canal.

I made appts. with two of the dentists for an evaluation. The third is more of an environmental/biological dentist but he had a 4-month wait for new patients to get in. I wanted to be done by then. The first one I went to is my doctor's own dentist. I thought he was OK, but I wasn't that impressed. The second one seemed very informed, made me feel comfortable right away & my husband liked him too. He specializes in cosmetic dentistry and does not use any mercury in his practice. He has a lot of experience replacing amalgams, not always for health reasons, but also for dental reasons, which is equally warranted because he says the composites are much better & make teeth stronger. He's right next to the doctor's office, very close to home, and my doctor described him as "a damn good dentist."

If you want to find a dentist in your area, I would recommend just starting with the yellow pages. We only have a half-dozen pages or so here, but this might be quite a task for someone in an area with a large population. Check the listings that have those box ads first. They may offer some clues. You probably want to avoid the ones that say ADA member, because they don't generally believe all the hype about mercury being a health risk. Also look for ones who advertise cosmetic dentistry as a specialty, or who say they don't use amalgams. Then start calling a few and asking if they do amalgam replacements. If they can't help you, they might give you an idea who does. Once you start putting the word out and keeping your ears open, information will probably start rolling in. Also ask at any health food stores or other places where health-conscious people hang out-massage, yoga places, etc. Somewhere on the internet I found a directory/association of biological dentists (probably from the archives of this site), and that 3rd one in my area was listed there, but he was by no means the only one here who does them. What I found was that even if a dentist doesn't buy into all of the info about health risks, there are dentists out there who will remove amalgams and don't use silver fillings at all because they believe they make poor filling material. This probably helps your case when you are submitting claims to your dental insurance if there are dental reasons to do it.

If you find a couple of likely prospects, ask for an appointment to discuss amalgam replacement. That ran about $40-50 at each place for me, which my insurance did not cover. The first dentist did a full set of x-rays, which I'd never had done, so he could see how deep my fillings were, etc. I told him I was going elsewhere, so he made an extra set for me to take. My insurance paid for that in full. My husband has now decided to have his replaced too, so he went to the dentist I'm having do mine. He didn't take x-rays, but used a kind of viewing wand to inspect each tooth. They showed up on a computer screen which gave a real good indication of the tooth condition. Make sure you get an estimate in writing with the details for each tooth listed separately. Take a friend or family member with you, if you can. It helps to have another set of ears in the room.

There are three criteria that seem to be most helpful in reducing exposure during amalgam replacement. Low speed drilling/water cooling, the use of a rubber dam, and extra air supply for you to breathe. The dentists I saw said they couldn't slow down their drill, but said they did make sure the assistant used a generous spray of water to cool the surface to prevent vaporization of the mercury and lots of suction to prevent it from splashing or getting swallowed. Besides, you want to get that drilling over with as quickly as possible so you don't have to hold your mouth open for hours. Most dentists seem to use rubber dams now to protect themselves from infectious patients, and that minimizes what you might swallow or absorb through your gums, plus makes the suction easier. The extra air supply is reassuring. I'm glad I asked for that the second time, because I felt more at ease when I could breathe deeply to help relax myself. Other stuff like air filters is more for the protection of the dentist and other personnel than the patient, but it certainly can't hurt.

I don't know what the detox chelation involves or costs yet. I think the doctor said it was a something short-term, just an hour or two, not half a day like it used to be, but I don't know how many sessions. That doesn't start until all the mercury is gone, so I'll deal with that later. The intermediate stuff, the glutathione IV push, was about $80. The insurance paid all of that but my $15 co-payment.

Kind of long-winded, I know, but I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. I'll post more on the chelation thing as I learn about it, and will post my continuing adventures. I'm feeling lots better today, so I hope that means the worst is over.


Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya

Posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 15:09:47:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Naya on March 13, 2003 at 23:35:52:

Hi Naya,

Hope you've been OK. I noticed you weren't around much & wondered :)

It's definitely been an experience. Any thoughts I'd entertained after the first quadrant that I might not be sensitive to mercury after all have definitely been laid to rest! This stuff is nasty and I want it gone! Proceeding slowly and taking lots of detox precautions is definitely the way to do it.

My husband is planning to have his amalgams replaced soon, too. He told me last night that he might just go for the whole left side in one visit. I counted and that's 13 fillings. Granted, some of them are very small, but YIKES! I told him he was nuts.

Take care of yourself and thanks for all your support!

Nutmeg, on the mercury roller coaster

Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R...

Posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 15:15:29:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Amalgam Remover on March 14, 2003 at 12:57:48:

Thanks so much for your kind thoughts and sharing your experiences. Seems like you went through the procedure kinda quick and I was wondering how you'd fared in the aftermath.

Sorry to hear you are having trouble with the onlays. They sound like such a great thing, but there is always a downside. I hope you can get it set right soon without too much discomfort. I will be glad when my onlays are ready, because these temporary fillings are driving me nuts.

Thanks for the warning about onlays and potential installation errors. Please let me know anything you find out about them.

Take care!

Thank you SO much for all of that info!

Posted by WendyO on March 14, 2003 at 15:15:54:

In Reply to: Re: Some questions that you've probably answered long ago... (sorry) posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 14:58:52:

and the IV --- did your holistic MD give you that, or was that administered by the dentist? Before you began, did the MD run lab work to determine the amount of hard-metals in your system, or no.

The more I read about it, the more I believe my symptoms may have been started by dental work as well. I have at least one filling in about 70% of my teeth, 2 root canals (the last one "botched" also, like yours, still hurts), and two front crowns (all metal back). It's really upsetting to think that health care providers could have caused me all of this health agony. And I just seem to continually have no luck finding good providers. I know I just have to suck it up and start interviewing them.

Thanks again for your info.

:) Wendy

Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R...

Posted by Amalgam Remover on March 14, 2003 at 16:28:56:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R... posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 15:15:29:

You're right, I did go through it fast. I fared pretty well actually. In the end, my dentist told me he should have done them all at once, I did so well. Personally, I don't think that would have been a good idea.

The temporaries were pretty awful for me too. At one time, I had some on each side which caused me to only chew my food at the front of the mouth. THAT was awful! I have an appointment on 3/31 to check the chipped onlay and I'll let you know all about it.

One disconcerting thing I did find out in my internet researching is that some of the cement used for onlays contain fluoride that leaches out to "kill" bacteria. I only found one little article and could not find any further information. I will ask my dentist about it when I go back to him and let you know. You might want to ask your dentist also. To tell you the truth, I am starting to question my dentists ability with installing these types of fillings. The article I read said that technique is very important to the life and function of them. I've now had problems in 2 out of 7.

Re: Thank you SO much for all of that info! Wendy...

Posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 16:48:26:

In Reply to: Thank you SO much for all of that info! posted by WendyO on March 14, 2003 at 15:15:54:

My doctor was in charge of all the detox stuff. Dentist said it was not his thing. I don't know if some dentists do that or not, but I would rather entrust that to someone who actually went to medical school! This arrangement was very convenient for me, as the doctor & dentist are right next door to each other, in case of a bad reaction.

My doctor didn't do any lab work on me to evaluate heavy metals or other toxins. He said that was certainly an option, but in general, insurance companies are not fond of paying for that type of thing, and he likes to use the patients' money as wisely as he can. We've got a policy now that covers a lot of alternative stuff, so maybe it would have been covered, but it wasn't important to me to quantify how much I've got at this point. I know I'm sick and am not getting well with anything else I am doing. I have so many of the common symptoms/complaints of chronic toxic mercury exposure that it seemed like overkill to do the testing. If I get done and I'm still sick, then we'll think about where to go next.

The dentist also said he doesn't bother doing compatibility testing on the composite filling materials. He's done so many and the results keep coming back the same, so that's what he uses. He's had very few bad reactions among his patients. He says that's what other dentists he talks to are finding too. If he has an extremely sensitive person, he will suggest they do the testing through their doctor. My doctor has done this for a few patients. The dentist does muscle testing for the composite he plans to use, as well as the anesthetic.

My advice is to not waste much of your precious energy fretting or getting angry about what's been done to you! Spend it finding someone to help you get well. I hate interviewing health care providers, but I have to say that screening dentists was relatively easy. If they use amalgams at all in their practice, steer clear. If they don't, you've got a possible match. I found the receptionists to be very helpful--not as pressed for time as in a busy MDs office. If they know what you're talking about, and if they take the time to answer your questions, that's a very good sign. Ask if the dentist attends conferences and continuing education courses on amalgam replacement--that will tell you if he/she is up on the latest findings and procedures.

The dentist I chose seems truly interested in helping me get well, but since he provides a service for money, he's also interested in keeping my business. His staff is all courteous and helpful and he's impressed me on all fronts. Both my husband and I will continue to go to him after our amalgams are gone. Our former dentist no longer matches our philosophy and needs.

You will know when you're ready to tackle this, and if you trust your instincts, you will know when you've found the right dentist & healing team.


Follow Ups:

Just one more question,Nutmeg

Posted by Naya on March 14, 2003 at 22:12:07:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya posted by Nutmeg on March 14, 2003 at 15:09:47:

Hello again!
There seems to be a problem with the search engine. I was going to check some old posts of yours to me before I asked you this, but I can't get to them. So, here goes. I was just wondering if you had gone the Perfect Food/Primal Defense route in your many efforts to get better. I'm not doing very well myself, and thought what's the use of trying more things if it's really my teeth that are the problem. Just curious and wondering.

I'm glad to hear you're doing better today. Keep well.


Re: Some questions that you've probably answered long ago... (sorry)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 2003 at 07:33:08:

In Reply to: Some questions that you've probably answered long ago... (sorry) posted by WendyO on March 14, 2003 at 10:21:14:

Hi, WendyO.

Have you looked at the dental archives, the holistic practioner archives, the mercury archives or the AHDA listing?


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Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R...

Posted by Nutmeg on March 15, 2003 at 11:49:09:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R... posted by Amalgam Remover on March 14, 2003 at 16:28:56:

Hi Amalgam Remover,

I know what you mean about chewing. My teeth with the temporaries are sensitive to heat and cold, and so are two of my upper molars on the other side that haven't been done yet. Plus, I limit chewing of tough stuff on both sides. I try to let everything cold warm up to room temperature before I eat, and let the hot stuff cool down a bit. It's forcing me to plan ahead for when I will be hungry and what I'll want to eat...LOL!

I hadn't heard anything about cement to glue in the onlays. Killing bacteria inside the tooth might be beneficial, but not with fluoride...YIKES! I asked my dentist how the onlays are attached and he said they were bonded with the laser wand, like he does with the loose filling material. He didn't mention any cement, but I will ask if it is used when the onlays are made, or if he places it inside the tooth, then uses the laser bonding wand to seal the top. This modern stuff is all new to me!

Thanks for sharing all your tips and experiences. I'm sorry you've had such problems with your teeth since the amalgam replacement. I'm hoping my dentist is as skilled as he appears to be. It's really helpful when someone is a pioneer and comes back to tell about it!

Wishing you the best,

Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R...

Posted by Roy on March 15, 2003 at 12:14:38:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R... posted by Nutmeg on March 15, 2003 at 11:49:09:

Onlays are "cemented" to the tooth -- the laser is to make the cement harden. Sorry, can't comment on the flouride though. The old amalgams didn't need cement because the cavity in your tooth would be prepared with an "undercut" so the amalgam couldn't fall out. Onlays/crowns are dropped in place and so there is no undercut ...hence the need for cement.

I just had my last onlay placed last week, and I'm done. (5 onlays and 1 extraction --- whew!)

Re: Just one more question, to Naya...

Posted by Nutmeg on March 15, 2003 at 12:22:44:

In Reply to: Just one more question,Nutmeg posted by Naya on March 14, 2003 at 22:12:07:

Hi Naya,

I have been using both Primal Defense and Perfect Food. Started PD over a year and a half ago and worked my way up to 18 caplets a day (6 3x a day). Kept that up for many months, but I cut back a couple of months ago to 12 a day, in 3 doses, AM, mid-afternoon, and PM.

Also started PF about 9 months ago, or so, and have been taking 5-6 caplets a day, with meals.

Besides helping to keep Garden of Life and Christine's Cleanse Corner in business, I think this plan is giving me what little energy I do have, and helping to normalize my bowel function, even though it could be a lot better. With everything else I am doing to try to improve my energy and fibromyalgia pain levels, and bowel and brain function (basically, 90% of the recommendations from this board), I should be TONS better. The fact that I am not drove me back to the doctor in November.

I know I still have leaky gut, which I am addressing, but I believe my candida was wiped out a few years ago when I took Diflucan daily for almost a month under the direction of a different doctor who left the area. I had a stool test through my current doctor 2.5 years ago (different lab from Great Smokies, so I don't know how accurate) which showed no candida or parasites and only minor amounts of gram-negative bacteria. Not enough to account for my feeling so poorly overall, and it seems like if I had raging candida, that I would be feeling significantly better with all the PD I've been taking. I tried some anti-fungals too, but no improvement.

In November, the doctor tested me positively for a neurotransmitter deficiency and thinks that I have so much mercury in my system that it's affecting my brain and bowel function big time through the lack/malfunctioning of neurotransmitters. When I started taking the supplements he recommended to begin the mercury detox and support the neurotransmitter function, and increased my intake of amino acids again, I started feeling better. I tried to read Gershon's book The Second Brain, but I just couldn't get through it. Will pick it up again from the library some day, but I did get enough to realize that the brain and bowel are connected. He doesn't connect the problems with mercury, that I recall, but a lot of other authors do. I've been reviewing a lot of materials specifically on mercury problems.

It's an expensive experiment, Naya, and I definitely feel for you trying to decide what to do. Have you been tested (even the home spit and urine tests) to see if you've definitely got candida and all the rest, and how bad it is? The thing that taking PD & PF can possibly do is to get you a little more well so that you are better able to withstand the stress on your health of having your amalgams replaced. If you really find that you can't tolerate them, and you are sure you have candida, maybe some of the other anti-fungals in rotation would give you some improvement. Sorry, I don't recall all you have tried, but I know you've been at this a good long time.

After my husband started going to my doctor and researching his own health problems, he began to see how mercury could very well be playing a role. The doctor had one health problem in common with hubby, and doc said it was totally resolved after his amalgams were replaced. That's when I decided to bite the bullet and do it. You will know when and if the time is right. I know you were looking into having this done south of the border, so I hope you can find a place that meets your needs and budget.

Hugs to you,

Re: Update on amalgam removal...for Roy...

Posted by Nutmeg on March 15, 2003 at 14:11:11:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal...for A.R... posted by Roy on March 15, 2003 at 12:14:38:

Thanks for the clarification, Roy. I'll give my dentist a call and see what's up with that.

Did you have amalgams replaced? With all those onlays, you must be tired of having casts & molds done. I bet your teeth and smile look fabulous now! Congrats on making it through.


Re: Update on amalgam removal...for Roy...

Posted by Roy on March 15, 2003 at 19:38:23:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal...for Roy... posted by Nutmeg on March 15, 2003 at 14:11:11:


I had a LOT of metal in my mouth, but it's all gone now. I had 1 quadrant done at a time -- about 3-5 hours per quadrant. Besides the onlays, I still have a lot of fillings (composite material). All the work was done on my back teeth, and so my smile actually looks the same as before.

Next step is continuing with detox, including DMPS challenge test and supplements to detox the mercury -- similar to Mercola's and other protocols ie. chlorella, cilantro, msm, garlic, etc.

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Re: Just one more question, to Naya...

Posted by Naya on March 15, 2003 at 22:11:08:

In Reply to: Re: Just one more question, to Naya... posted by Nutmeg on March 15, 2003 at 12:22:44:

Hi Nutmeg! Hearing from you really cheers me up. I've been trying to respond all day, but have had a particularly bad day today. Tried some Pau d'Arco for the first time in a long time and it really made me feel horrible. I think I started with too much.

I've done all the antifungals that exist, I think, and many, many treatments , not to mention thousands of dollars spent. I've been at this for over ten years. The only thing that seems to have improved is my fibromyalgia, (knock wood). Since I started doing SR almost a year ago, I have noticed that it has disappeared, for the most part.
My CSDA's have improved and the most recent one showed no fungal infection, except that I do have dysbiosis and I can feel that I have LGS. I still feel I have yeast overgrowth problems despite what the tests say. Why else wouldd I have sypmtoms and die-off reactions when I rotate antifungals?!

So overall, I barely have the energy to function at a basic level, grocery shopping, various health-related appointemts and an occasional movie. I haven't worked in four years and I feel like a totally non-productive member of society, having previously been a whirlwind of activity in my "former" life. From what you describe, we are both pretty much in the same boat as far as concerns lack of progress despite great efforts to improve. So I think I'm moving closer to the amalgam replacement. I don't think going to Mexico is really an option. I need to do it where it is more convenient because essentially, I'll have to do all the driving and caretaking myself. I don't have much of a support network here, having moved here from the other coast about four years ago after I left my job. Couldn't take the winters any more.

Interesting about the neurotransmitter deficiency. I havn't been tested for that, but I would bet that is part of my problem, also. I have to work hard at keeping my guts moving, too.

Well, so much for all the gory details, at least some of them. Thanks so much for "listening". It's so good to be able to talk to someone who is in a similar situation to one's own. I breathlessly (LOL) await news of your progress and hope it is the solution for you and perhaps for me, too.

This thread is getting long, so don't feel you have to answer. I hope I corrected all my typos. My hand-eye coordination has become more and more difficult.
Hanging in there with you.

Hugs to you, too,

Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others (to Nutmeg)

Posted by Jan S. on March 16, 2003 at 19:44:21:

In Reply to: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others…(very long) posted by Nutmeg on March 13, 2003 at 23:00:47:

Thanks, Nutmeg, for the update on your progress and the information you're sharing here. This is a daunting procedure for many who go through it, but you will come out the other side. I 'spose I can say that, even though I haven't yet been where you are....Courage!

I'm targeting a year from now for myself, as money won't really permit, before that time. I know we talked a lot about amalgam removal in some earlier threads. Since I have war jitters and am living in a big city, I'm finding that any plans for a year out seem kind of unreal right now.

How is your magnesium intake? An online friend had a really rough go with amalgam removal (he was much less prepared than you are and his dentist was not an amalgam removal specialist) and was toxic for a year after. He found that high dose magnesium aspartate was very helpful in getting him through. (Though I imagine you've got that covered.)

The best to you.

Re: to Naya... referral

Posted by
Jan S. on March 16, 2003 at 19:58:29:

In Reply to: Re: Just one more question, to Naya... posted by Naya on March 15, 2003 at 22:11:08:

Hi Naya. Please email me for referral to a local amalgam dentist you might like to consider, which I finally managed to get. I could not get the Mexican names.

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Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others (to Nutmeg)

Posted by Nutmeg on March 17, 2003 at 00:24:59:

In Reply to: Re: Update on amalgam removal, for Naya and others (to Nutmeg) posted by Jan S. on March 16, 2003 at 19:44:21:

Hi Jan,

Yeah, it does take courage! I am not the most courageous person, but I have faced a lot (this and much, much more) in the past 6 months. I'm on a roll now! I did put this off for several months, and finally one day I decided I would stop dithering and just do it. I made those calls right away before I had time to chicken out...LOL!

Thanks for the tip on magnesium aspartate for mercury detoxing. That's one I had not heard about. I did try magnesium glycinate last year to help with muscle tension and bracing and sleep, but it did not seem to help me at all. I probably was not taking enough elemental magnesium then. Unfortunately I have not yet found a formulation that is mostly pure magnesium in an absorbable form without a lot of flowing agents & capsule-fillers, so I will take up that search again. There must be something out there.

I know what you mean about planning so far ahead. I had a window of time in which to accomplish this now, or drop the idea for at least 7-8 months. I think I made the right decision for me. You will know when the time is right, or not.

Thanks again, and good luck to you,


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Re: Just one more question, to Naya...

Posted by Nutmeg on March 17, 2003 at 00:42:44:

In Reply to: Re: Just one more question, to Naya... posted by Naya on March 15, 2003 at 22:11:08:

Wow, Naya, you sure have had a tough time of it. I hope you can come up with a solution quickly. When you are feeling so poorly and have so little energy, it can be a full-time job just taking care of yourself and doing the basics to keep going. I hope you are doing better today and that the week ahead is a good one for you. Remember, whatever you try for your candida & LGS, just make sure it's just a pinch to start with! It's so tempting to overdo it. How great that you got rid of your fibromyalgia just with SR!! I look forward to that day.

If you haven't tried L-glutamine, that seems to be helping me with leaky gut. That and a few other things, like SR. But, I have to take it in very small doses, because it constipates me if I take more than about 500mg a day. I got a huge jar of the powder, so it lasts a long time. I also take SeaCure once in a while. I'd already been taking it, then my doctor said to definitely continue because it really heals the gut "good".

It really seems like PD should help you with the dysbiosis. Do you have a pill cutter? I was giving it to one of my cats for a while and I just chipped off a little piece for her. It's too hard to break by hand. I don't like taking OTC's but I did try the Pepto Bismal tablets for a few nights. Didn't really help me, but the archives say that if you have dysbiosis, you should be able to get some immediate relief from just one dose. Then you can continue the protocol if you see that it works.

Take care. Thanks so much for sticking with me. I hope your week is looking up!



Posted by Naya on March 17, 2003 at 14:14:26:

In Reply to: Re: Just one more question, to Naya... posted by Nutmeg on March 17, 2003 at 00:42:44:

So glad to hear from you again. I just thought I'd mention that you can get PD in powdered form and so, easily start with tiny amounts, which is what I plan to do when get up enough courage to put myself through some more hell, lol.

Take care,

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