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But it felt right AT THE TIME!
I went to the dental surgery this morning.
I initially wanted the composite/white filling used as I had heard it's better than the amalgam/silver fillings.
Except, my dentist told me all the cons of using the composite.
He said becaus it was such a big filling the composite is not as strong as the amalgam. He said it tends to be weak, leak into the tooth, and cause decay. He said this is problem the reason why my tooth broke off. (SIGH!)
Yes, BROKE OFF!
I was eating breakfast a few days ago, and lo and behold, MY WEAK TOOTH, I must have crunched down a bit hard, and a chunk of it broke off. That was the tooth that had the composite/white filling done about 7 mnths ago. So the filing didn't fall out, a chunk of the tooth broke.
So that's why when he said it would be much stronger than the amalgam, and he said he didn't want to do me a disservice by using the composite/white filling and then have more problems down teh track. Well, I hav had enough probs with this tooth, so I relented. He has never led me astray, or ripped me off. He said to have the white/composite filling I would need a crown as wellk, but the amalgam filling wouldn't need it, as its stronger. From what I have hard, the composite/white filling plus crown was going to be 1,000 dollars, whereas this what I had done with the amalgam was 125 dollars.
I already have a few amalgam fillings in my mouth, well, more than a few, probably 6-8.
Do you guys think having another amalgam is going to affect my health at all?
I hope not. I feel fine now, but that's not any good indicator for long term.
I kind of wish now I didn';t relent, but i was desperate to have this tooth problem over and done with.
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
A dental surgeon saw you on a Sunday?
In Reply to: Re: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by hMM on November 16, 2003 at 22:21:37:
No, no. I live in Australia. :) It's now half past midday here.
In Reply to: Re: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:28:00:
its midday on monday here.
You guys are still all on Sunday night. so we are ahead of you.
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
I think you did the right thing. Lets be just a little bit metaphysical here: YOU CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE.
Now, getting back to earth, you can always have the amalgam removed and a crown put on down the road if you change your mind for whatever reason. When or if you decide to have the crown work done they're going to have to grind down the tooth quite a bit. This way, you keep the tooth intact as much as possible and if the large filling will work for you, great. If it doesn't, well, you have option No. 2.
I think you made a fine decision.
In Reply to: Re: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:29:09:
In Reply to: What's it like in Mondayland? [nmi] posted by Time Traveller on November 17, 2003 at 01:47:22:
I just don't like Mondays. ;-)
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
At some point, many times in fact, I've heard of teeth breaking that had a filling (and filling was intact)
Sometimes the dentist doesn't drill enough, and the tooth still erodes in spite of the filling.
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
Hi, Bliss.
Let us hope that "it is over and done with". The chances are that the amalgam will do no better. On the other hand one more amalgam will not likely do you that much worse.
In my opinion, any dentist who has kept up with the composites now available would never say that amalgams were stronger or more durable. This skill takes a lot of post- graduate training and many dentists just do not put out the effort.
Walt
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
Just prior to getting chronic fatigue I had two very large amalgam fillings. It is thought that this was the cause, So, be careful.
In Reply to: Re: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Alexandria Dumas on November 16, 2003 at 22:40:33:
thanks, mate! It was a sigh of relief just reading your reply.
I would LIKE to think that there are NO mistakes in life. That it's all just a grand plan in the big scheme of things, and bliss is doing exactly what she was meant to do! :)
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
Composites are not strong enuf to use on large fillings
(At least not yet--More experience and research is needed). You could have gotten a gold filling, but that would have cost you about $800.00. I believe there are situations where amalgams are the best choice. I think you have a good dentist.
In Reply to: You did the right thing posted by Jean on November 17, 2003 at 23:01:04:
Thanks, Jean.
I am not a dentist but had a very holistic one in my centre for 10 years. He taught me that there were dozens of modern materials to take the place of amalgams and different ones had different properties. Each one had to be studied by the dentist for them to be used appropriately.
There is no property of amalgams that cannot be bested by the proper composite.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: You did the right thing Composites VS Amalgams. Archive in mercury. posted by Walt Stoll on November 18, 2003 at 10:29:14:
My dentist also convinced me that to have anything other than an amalgam filling would be foolish. He showed me all kinds of literature (from the ADA, of course). He said that he was positive that unless I put on a crown nothing other than the amalgam would last and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with this material. He sort of implied that it was safer now than it used to be. I probably will be sorry, but like Bliss, I have a mouthful of them so why not one more...
In Reply to: Re: You did the right thing Composites VS Amalgams. Archive in mercury. posted by Walt Stoll on November 18, 2003 at 10:29:14:
I agree with Dr. Stoll. Composites are as good as amalgams, actually better, IF the dentist is competent in their use. There are crappy dentists out there who can manage to do a bad job with anything.
I had 10 amalgams replaced this year with composite fillings and onlays for the larger fillings. Every one of my amalgam-filled teeth had additional decay underneath that was not visible on x-ray. Apparently amalgams do shrink and don't seal properly.
I believe there must be some people out there who are not sensitive to mercury, and who have not developed health problems associated with chronic exposure to it through dental amalgams. If you are one of those people, you are quite fortunate!
Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
Walt,
I'm sorry, but you are wrong about this. Nutmeg you even say that your dentist used onlays on your LARGE fillings, NOT composites ( I assume you are talking about a gold onlay). Composites simply are not strong enuf for very large fillings at this time. I have spoken to at least 10 dentists about this. Two of which are the leading holistic dentists in my area. Neither one of these dentists will use amalgams, but they ADMIT that there are still limitations to composites at this time. Also I have a friend who has been a dental assistant for 20 years. The last dentist she
worked with will not use amalgams. He would put a crown on a very large filling or use an onlay. Putting a composite on a large filling is risky.
Jean
In Reply to: Composites are still not strong enuf for LARGE filliongs posted by Jean on November 19, 2003 at 06:57:03:
I am not in favor of amalgams, but I did want to comment... How do we know that the materials used in composites(Plastics, resins, and whatever else) are safer for our body than the amalgams( silver-mercury fillings)?
Oh dear.... I wonder what Dr McKoy's dentist used on the starship enterprise?
Jean
In Reply to: I Think I Did the Wrong Thing,..... posted by Bliss on November 16, 2003 at 22:19:04:
I would never have any metal put in my mouth,especially not amalgams, nor root canals. Better to have the tooth pulled.
And never get gold if you already have amalgams.
In Reply to: Re: You did the right thing Composites VS Amalgams. Archive in mercury. posted by Nutmeg on November 18, 2003 at 14:24:15:
Thanks, Nutmeg.
You would think that a competent dentist would know all this. We are not dentists and WE know it!
Walt
In Reply to: Composites are still not strong enuf for LARGE filliongs posted by Jean on November 19, 2003 at 06:57:03:
Jean,
I had only composite onlays, not gold ones. It was the same stuff he used in my fillings. The dentist muscle-tested me for all materials he put in my mouth.
Time will tell, since it has only been about 9 months, at most, since I had the work done. I went back about a month or two ago to have one tooth checked that had a large composite onlay. I thought it was changing color, and it was hurting. He had said when I had the initial work done that the future of that tooth was in question and I might need a crown some day. When I went back he checked it very carefully and said it was a normal color variation of my tooth and he saw absolutely nothing that concerned him with the tooth or the onlay. The pain went away after a few weeks--he did a minor bite adjustment that did the trick.
My dentist has been at this about 15 years--not sure exactly, because I only switched to him this year. I know the office has been there a long time. He says that composite materials have come a long way since they were first developed. He attends several continuing education courses every year on the use of composites.
If I have to deal with replacement of the onlays or composite fillings down the line, then I will. Even amalgam fillings don't last forever. I had several replaced over the years due to cracking or obvious additional decay. In any case, I'm very glad to have my amalgams gone. Obviously they did not prevent tooth decay and probably contributed to tooth cracking, in addition to health problems.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: Composites are still not strong enuf for LARGE fillings posted by Jean on November 19, 2003 at 07:32:46:
I have to have a tooth filled and I'm really dragging my feet over this issue. Does anyone here know a good place to start researching this?
In Reply to: Re: Composites are still not strong enuf for LARGE filliongs posted by Nutmeg on November 19, 2003 at 12:55:44:
Maybe there are some dentists out there who are extemely well versed on using Composites. Even on large fillings. I may be wrong.
In Reply to: Re: Composites...I wonder about materials in them too posted by June.one on November 19, 2003 at 16:12:10:
Hi, June one.
Start with the AHDA (American holistic dental association) at hda@frontier.net and do not forget Hal Huggins, DMD at www.hugnet.com
Different materials have to be tested for compatibility to the individual before using.
Only time will tell the truth about the strength and durability of the many composites already available but the one thing you can be sure of is that every month at least one more new and improved one is being introduced. The reign of the amalgams is about over. The only thing that is propping it up is the lazyness of dentist willing to take the money and run while listening to the dinosaur ADA. In my opinion, of course.
Why would any dentist in his "right mind" want to take a lot more postgraduate training just to make less money??? Only those who care more for their patients than $ would do such a thing!
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Composites are still not strong enuf for LARGE filliongs posted by Jean on November 19, 2003 at 16:37:07:
Thanks, Jean.
See my response to june one.
Walt
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