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I have a mess of problems, but specifically muscle twitching, heart arrythmia, supersensitivity to loud noises, muscle tension and severe insomnia led me to think that an underlying magnesium defficianecy might be a complicaitng factor.
I began oral magnesium glycinate, but was immediately dizzy, lightheaded and diarreha follwed. DEcreased the dose to a mere 200-400mg a day but symptoms persisted. I began Mag IVs last week and had my third today. I am a little unclear as to what I am looking for so please help me a little.
I did some previous blood work. In serum work nothing came back out of the ordinary, no suprise there, and in GSL packed erythrocyte analysis, the magnesium came back 40.00 ppmillion in a reference range of 36-50. Finally, in a GSL elemental hair analysis, Mag came back 42 of a scale of 16-90, but calcium was low at 261 on a scale of 220-780. The ratios in essential minerals was a little off: Ca/Mg was 6.2 in ref range of 5-15 and Ca/P was WAY OFF at 1.6 in a range of 2.5-10. in the same test potassium was measured as less than 1.5 on a scale of 1.5-30.00. I am not a doctor, though I am rapidly reading mroe medical literature than some doctors I know. Can anyone help me here?
1) is the magnesium low? i know tests are really bad and all but do these number sshow anything?
2) what do I make of all the numbers above? am I low in calcium? isnt that an underlying symptom of magnesium defficiency? what about the ratios? DO I need to increase magnesium to increase Calcium and potassium? should I be supplementing with calcium (I do not eat dairy as it is the one undoubted antagonist to my LGS)? if so when?
3) what should I be noticing at these IVs to get an idea if magnesium defficiency was the problem? I get the flush and the heat but each one is less and less. while the sysmptoms seem to have been relieved a little, sometimes I would swear they are aggrevated also. Does this take time ot improve? when this is over can I expect to tolerate the oral magnesium?
4) I have no idea why I number these things. They are not descrete areas nor is it helpful for the viewer. I guess law school left a mark.
I thank everyone for any advice.
In Reply to: Magnesium IV- Where is this going? (Dr. Stoll and everyone) posted by warnerkallus on February 10, 2003 at 16:26:38:
your typing has gotten a lot better. it used to take a while to read your messages because a lot of the letters were switched around and the spaces were in the wrong places. might it be because your muscle control has improved?
it sounds like you are just going to have to play around with this a bit and see what makes you feel better. Even the healthiest people have days when they feel worse than others or have trouble sleeping- it's only when it's continuous that you really need to do something about it. don't let every little thing worry you, because you can only control your body to a certain extent- beyond that, it's going to do what it wants to do. Just love it anyway.
In Reply to: Magnesium IV- Where is this going? (Dr. Stoll and everyone) posted by warnerkallus on February 10, 2003 at 16:26:38:
Hi, Warner.
I think you are going to have to change one thing at a time and listen to your bodymind laboratory to tell what you need and what is working.
It will be interesting to see what the injections will do all by themselves.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium IV- Where is this going? (Dr. Stoll and everyone) posted by Walt Stoll on February 11, 2003 at 09:49:28:
Mag IV #4 completed today at 1.
what an interesting experience.
the first IV took 15 minutes and I felt warming and the rush of heat within my body. I had to slow down the influx because it was quite intense. the days that followed brought increased symptoms but I kept going.
The second IV went in in 10 minutes. the doctor was amazed, but he lets me control the pace and it was comfortable. It never got too intense, and I could feel the muscles relax. I felt better and my libido seemed, then, to be returning. It has been al but absent for years- a trifle embarrasing but more importantly emmasculating [sp] for a man in his oung twenties.
The third IV went in 8 minutes. I was not trying to do it faster, that was simply comfortable. the iV was at 1, by 5 I felt better than I have for a long while. the feelign did not fade but continued all night. I was not able to sleep but have been an insomniac since I was 4, so lets not get our hopes needlessly up for a miracle, especially since I was feeling, miraculously, better.
And number four was at one today. the IV went in in just over 5 minutes. the doctor is amazed. My body seems thirsty for it. Again, felt better right away, but by three my head felt clearer and I better than in months or even years. I still get the rush, and it feels fine, but my vision is clearer, my SR slightly better, the panic attacks fading, and I dont feel exhusted anymore. addmittedly mos of these happed in responce to peptide interactions, but perhaps the magnesium is helping me to better assimilate/digest the meals I eat beacuse i have not had a bad reaction since IV3. Also my libido seems to be, lets say 70% normal, maybe more. this is mroe important than one would think. ONe feels like a machine when one knows that there should be a primal, body, reaction to certain people and one only gets an intellectual appraisal. I feel kinda vaugely human gain, like switching from Mono to Stereo sound. Now lets hope for color TV from B/W.
OK the Body mind sasy this is a good thing, but can you tell me; should I exceed the initial 6 IVs if I continue to get results like this? when should I try oral magnesium again? should I begin to supplement with other minerals now or ofter?
In Reply to: Magnesium IV #4 (Melissa and Dr. Stoll) posted by warnerkallus on February 11, 2003 at 14:45:30:
Thanks, Warner.
I would never have stopped the oral.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium IV #4 (Melissa and Dr. Stoll) TESTIMONIAL posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 2003 at 08:16:18:
well I felt so awful: dizzy, lightheaded, vitigo, dehydration and diarrea, that I cut back from 1200, to 800, to 600, to 400, to 200. I guess I will begin to addit back. Should I be able to tolerate it better now?
WK
In Reply to: mag posted by warnerkallus on February 12, 2003 at 11:00:19:
Yep.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: mag posted by Walt Stoll on February 13, 2003 at 07:17:14:
had my fifth IV today. It went down, easily, in 3 and one half minutes. Felt great afterwards. it seems to improve digestion, as I am having fewer crushing headaches after protein meals. of course I have been drinking weak cider vinegar to stimulate digestion.
I took 400 mg at lunch yesterday. I got the rush of heat, but later was lightheaaded, and dizzy. not as badly as I had been before the IVs, I dont think. still does nto seem to sit well. I will try it throughout the weekend, and monday is my sixth IV. WHat signs should I be looking for to determine that I am ready to stop the IV sessions?
If the Magnesium does not sit well, should I continue the IVs? is it possible that I will never be able to tolerate oral magnesium?
WK
In Reply to: Re: mag posted by Walt Stoll on February 13, 2003 at 07:17:14:
Hi,
You could try taking time released magnesium supplements, it
is then a more gradual release into the blood serum so less
of a drop ie dizziness, etc. I know because I experience
the same problem when taking oral mag. I have a magnesium
wasting through my kidneys diagnosed with a 24 hour mag
urine test. Magnesium supplements need to split into as many
smaller doses as possible throughout the day. Goo
In Reply to: IV #5 posted by warnerkallus on February 13, 2003 at 10:43:10:
Thanks, Warner.
If it were me, I might be tempted to take a couple more. At the rate you are going you are going to be able to efficiently absorb magnesium orally soon and are already doing better than you were in the beginning.
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: mag posted by J on February 13, 2003 at 16:53:52:
Thanks, J.
Good idea!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: IV #5 posted by Walt Stoll on February 14, 2003 at 07:31:31:
what about a 3g, or more, magnesium IV. I think the doctor would be open to it. Is this dangerous or just irregular. I dont see why I could not handle it, but of course you are the one who went to medical school. I will bow to you expertise.
Also, I took 1600mg magnesium orally today without a problem!!! THank you DR.
In Reply to: one more thought... posted by warnerkallus on February 14, 2003 at 23:54:53:
Oral mg is safer than the IVs because if you take too much, you will get diarrhea and your body will eliminate it. IVs, unlike oral mg, put you at risk for hyPERmagnesemia, because it goes in so fast and it takes a bit of time before your body realizes that you are getting too much, and by then, it's too late to get rid of it. It's not a "more the merrier" situation- at some point you have enough, and beyond that, you have too much. The only purpose for the IVs is to "prime the pump" so that you can absorb mg orally. Now that you are able to absorb mg orally, why not just finish up your current IV series & see how you do with supplements for a while? I know it must be tempting to continue with the IVs since they are working so dramatically for you, but there is no reason to believe you won't do just as well with oral mg now.
I am so glad you are feeling better. It is really wonderful.
In Reply to: one more thought... posted by warnerkallus on February 14, 2003 at 23:54:53:
Hi, Warner.
Listen to Melissa.
I think the 3 grams is still a safe dose, I have even used 4 grams IV. However, I would say not to argue with success and continue at what you are doing for now.
Patience.
Walt
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