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This study linked below makes it clear that magesium is readily absorbed by the skin in pretty much all people. That being the case, what is the point of paying big money for Magnesium Sulfate IVs?
In Reply to: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 13:00:16:
I've heard that bathing in Dead Sea salts, which are naturally high in Magnesium Chloride, is supposed to be superior to bathing in Epsom salts. I've got some but have not yet bathed in it.
There are products that are supposed to be great ways to increase cellular Mg. One of them is "Magnesium Oil".
Interesting article you posted.
In Reply to: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 13:00:16:
Hi Lurch,
I take magnesium supplements and your post interested me. How does magnesium oil supplement CELLULAR magnesium? You cant do that through the skin I thought. Maybe Im wrong.
Maz
In Reply to: Magnesium Oil posted by Lurch [140.2732] on June 16, 2006 at 14:12:30:
I've never tried it- but I've read Magnesium Chloride really promotes diarrhea, more so than other forms of magnesium.
That certainly is the case with me and the "slow mag" capsules that contain Magnesium Chloride. I take a couple of them and I'm on the toilet within 3-4 hours.
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Maz [31.2632] on June 16, 2006 at 14:39:25:
If something gets through the skin into the blood, why can't it get into tissue cells?
In Reply to: Magnesium Oil posted by Lurch [140.2732] on June 16, 2006 at 14:12:30:
Hi,
I recently attended a talk by Norm Shealy, MD and he said that not long ago he learned that magnesium is absorbed well through the skin. He is recommending creams with magnesium in them.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 13:00:16:
When searching for info on magnesium oil, I came across statements that increasing cellular Mg may help normalize DHEA levels too. If true, this would be great. Maybe somebody else will do a more thorough research on this.
In Reply to: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 13:00:16:
Thanks, Robert.
News to me. I would be interested in hearing from ANYONE who either helped their symptoms or brought up their intracellular magnesium level by doing this.
I can always learn something new!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Maz [31.2632] on June 16, 2006 at 14:39:25:
Hi Maz,
It's said to be easily absorbed thru the skin, much better than taken orally but the thing is, I prefer to take Mg tablets rather than taking lots of baths and/or soaking my feet in Mg Oil. It's more convenient. Plus, Mg Oil costs money.
Dead Sea salts can be bought very economically on eBay.
Here's a link to a google search I did for Mg Oil :
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Lurch [140.2732] on June 17, 2006 at 07:56:56:
If you're going to soak a body part in order to take in Magnesium, the feet are the worst choice. Studies have shown absorption through the thick skin of the feet is 1/50 what it is through the genital area or scalp- apparently the hair follicles and thin skin of the groin area rapidly soak up minerals.
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths -- Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 17, 2006 at 07:04:05:
Dr. Stoll,
Based on what you read in the study I linked about the increase in magnesium blood levels, is that effect, medically speaking, any different than the effect which would be had by IV magnesium sulfate?
Stated differently, once the increased magnesium levels are actually in the blood stream, is the desired effect achieved?
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium Oil posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 15:25:30:
Oral Mg Chloride may cause diarreah but I don't think bathing in it does.
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [6283.74] on June 17, 2006 at 08:22:29:
I wonder if adding MSM would speed up absorption of both Mg and sulphates. It's generally known to have this ability, similarly to DMSO. As a matter of fact, DMSO, itself, could be used for this purpose.
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths; DHEA posted by R. [687.2732] on June 16, 2006 at 22:21:38:
Hi R.,
5 or 6 years ago I had a DHEA saliva test and the result said I had DHEA levels equal to that of a man in his mid 20s.
My Mg levels might need some help.
Lurch
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium Oil posted by Happygal [1307.2732] on June 16, 2006 at 20:36:50:
Hi Jan,
techcheminc.com sells a lot of products that Sealy invented. They told me that bathing the feet in Mg Oil can be as good as bathing in it.
One of thesse days I'm going to have a bath in Dead Sea salt with 2 gallons of Prill water added to it.
In Reply to: Magnesium Oil posted by Lurch [140.2732] on June 16, 2006 at 14:12:30:
Hi Joe - I was reading a website with articles (which sells the oil) and it sounds really interesting. I'd read about mag chloride and malic acid for fibromyalgia (the chloride form was studied in supplementing this way) and I came across the info on the oil. They website made it sound as though its ever so much more absorbable than epsom salts (yeah, saw the other post on epsom salts). Also that you could use it diluted as a mouth spray good for the gums and as a body spray as well as taken orally and in soaks. I sure would love to hear from someone who's tried it.
Great minds think alikey!
June
In Reply to: Magnesium Oil posted by Lurch [140.2732] on June 16, 2006 at 14:12:30:
Also, wanted to mention I'm on my second bottle of magnesium taurate, oral in capsule form. It has caused no stomach upset and I take two capsules four times a day. Mine is made by Cardiovascular Research and the HFS orders it for me. There was some info around about it being superior to even mag glycinate. Some folks I know on another board take most of their mag as mag taurate, but either the morning or evening dose as glycinate. I thought I would mention my great experiences with the mag taurate. I feel much calmer on it and notice a better effect than with the glycinate. An aside, for those who want it because of the taurine, additional taurine supplementation would be necessary because of the relatively small amount of taurine in the supplement.
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Lurch [140.2732] on June 17, 2006 at 07:56:56:
This is the link to the website with the info about different ways of using the mag chloride oil including spraying it on the skin. Maybe this link is also in Lurch's Google page.
Also on Lurch's page is a very interesting website called http://george-eby-research.com. That's where I read about oral magnesium taurate supplementation. The webpage is long and has quite a few links interspersed. I found it very interesting and came upon it through a post at Dr-Bob.org about "curing" depression with magnesium.
Here is the sales site where I read about the oil. The sales pitch is low-key, promotion through persuasion I suppose. Maz, you could do both types of magnesium - topical and oral. It can take awhile to correct a deficiency because of the absorption issue. Using dual avenues of absorption and taking the best oral supplement, probably glycinate or taurate, will insure you absorb some mag one way or another. Much of your success, as you probably know, will depend on your level of gastrointestinal absorption (or malabsorption). There is probably also some role regarding your Hcl levels.
Take your oral mag with B vitamins (esp B6, you know). I'm a true believer in magnesium (Thanks a lot, Walt).
June
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by June.one [430.2732] on June 17, 2006 at 16:26:31:
The Coldcure website has some good magnesium info, but I strongly disagree with the way the author acts like calcium is something to be avoided. Hypocalcemia and hypomagnesemia often go hand in hand and can produce very similar symptoms (e.g. muscle twitches).
You've GOT to balance the two properly. That website is borderline dangerous the way the author acts like calcium is a dangerous drug to be minimized.
In Reply to: Re: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths -- Archive. posted by Robert [6283.74] on June 17, 2006 at 08:27:31:
Thanks, Robert.
Remember that "blood magnesium" is totally worthless when measuring the body magnesium level. It MUST, at least, be an intracellular magnesium level. See the magnesium archives.
Besides, ALL studies, with new and controversial results, must be replicated a number of times to begin to be considered valid.
Walt
In Reply to: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 13:00:16:
This might of interest to some of you
In Reply to: (Study) Magnesium Readily Absorbed by Epsom Salt Baths posted by Robert [22.1351] on June 16, 2006 at 13:00:16:
Here's some good anecdotal evidence
In Reply to: Magnesium chloride or magnesium sulfate posted by R. [687.2732] on June 18, 2006 at 16:36:50:
Interesting - thanks. I especially found it interesting how the calcium blood levels went down significantly with the increased magnesium intake. That really shows how the two compete with each other for body absorption.
IMO, magnesium is wonderful but you've got to be careful not to overdo it and to make sure your calcium doesn't get too low.
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium chloride or magnesium sulfate posted by Rigel [6288.74] on June 18, 2006 at 18:22:04:
That's probably true of me too if I took too much Mg.
If I take too much Vitamin D it seems to improve my Ca status and depresses my Mg.
Too much Na also depresses my Mg.
I do believe that calcium is needed, at least for me.
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