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Dear Dr.Stoll,
I have low cell magnesium and I am having great
difficulty correcting it.
I am having magnesium injections 1gram per week
and I can only take 300mgs of mag aspartate without
getting loose bowels. I have tried glycinate as well. I
live in Uk and cannot get IV magnesium. I have
previously been taking magnesium orally for a year
without success. The injections are costing a lot of
money and I don't know how long I can keep it up for, so
far I have had five.
I have looked through the archives on magnesium and
came across a posting where you suggested that the
person took digestive enzymes with more magnesium
so not to get loose bowels as you need to take 1000mg
of elemental magnesium per day to correct a
deficiency.
Does this work, as I cannot find any follow up to this
posting.
Best wishes,
Sian
In Reply to: Dr Stoll......Question on magnesium and digestive enzymes posted by Sian on April 27, 2001 at 07:37:16:
Hi,
Forgot to mention that anything that works as a duiretic,
such as alchol, caffine, garlic, parsley etc. immediately
drops my magnesium and makes my symptons worse.
I have read that digestive enzymes have this effect also.
If I continue with the magnesium IM injections each
week, how many will I need to correct a severe
deficiency? And taking oral magnesium at a dose of
around 400mg a day?
Hope you can answer my questions Dr Stoll as
injections are only hope. I have corrected the problem
that caused the deficiency in the first place, that is
malabsorption.
Best wishes
Sian
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......Question on magnesium and digestive enzymes posted by Sian on April 28, 2001 at 07:17:43:
Sian,
I had quit drinking cows milk due to allergies. When I was off cows milk the muscles in my back would get very sore and my whole body would get tense. I was using a few types of cal/mag supplements including the citrate, but the soreness wouldn't go away. I have not tried glycinate yet but have ordered some which should arrive in the next few days.
However, I have been drinking goat's milk and have had great success. Feel like I am getting all the minerals I need. I have also ordered goat whey and will see how effective that is. Seems like the magnesium in the goat's milk is the only type I can absorb(Other than cow's milk which gives me allergic symptoms).
Are you drinking any kind of milk?
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......Question on magnesium and digestive enzymes posted by T on April 28, 2001 at 20:43:01:
Hi, T
Thanks for advice, I have soya milk with added
calcium. I have read that too much dairy in the diet can
increase your need for magnesium as they compete for
absorption.
I have just tried magnesium glycinate but it made my
bowels looser.
I might get some goats milk and try it.
Keep me posted,
Sian
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......Question on magnesium and digestive enzymes posted by Sian on April 28, 2001 at 07:17:43:
Hi, Sian.
The loose stools with ANY form of magnesium just proves that your intracellular magnesium is not yet high enough to let you absorb it orally---something you already knew.
Aren't the IM magnesium injections painful? IV is not painful and 2 grams of elemental magnesium is the right dose for IV injections. Can't you convince the doc to give it to you that way? With the higher doses, I would get 2 a week and you should be done within 2-3 weeks.
If it were me, I would not add the supplemental calcium to the soy. This makes it more difficult to correct a magnesium problem. Get your library to find you a book that shows the mineral content of different foods. Find ones that are high in magnesium and calcium and low in phosphorus. Include several of those each day.
Remember that nearly all people can finaly resolve this with the above. However, some very rare individuals have more serious problems and that has to be sorted out by a physician that is also a nutritionial specialist.
Since you have a very sensitive GI tract, smaller doses of the enzymes might be tolerable for you while you are getting better and even breaking any tablets into small pieces (and taking just a piece for a dose) should be considered--unless the directions say specifically not to break them (that usually means they are coated to be released somewhere other than the stomach).
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......Question on magnesium and digestive enzymes (Archive in Margnesium.) posted by Walt Stoll on April 29, 2001 at 08:09:25:
Walt,
IM mag. is not painful if 0.5 mL of 2% lidocaine is mixed with it. My doctor prescribed mag. injections for me to give myself months ago, but said that he would ONLY prescribe it with the lidocaine. He said no competent doctor would prescribe it any other way - too painful otherwise, and he considered it cruel.
Sara
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium posted by Sara on April 29, 2001 at 11:28:10:
Dear Sara,
I have been having a nurse adminster mine but
obviously this is proving to be costly, especially when I
need alot.
I thought about doing it myself, but can you do it wrong
if you do not get it into the muscle? Have they worked
for you?
Sorry for all the questions, but I live in UK and cannot
get IV magnesium done. I am hoping to correct it with
injections and oral supplements and I would be
interested to know if any one has had sucess this way.
Best wishes
Sian
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium-Dear Sara.... posted by Sian on April 29, 2001 at 12:59:05:
Sian,
I started out having the nurse administer mine too, but it was so costly and I was getting tired of driving to the doctor's office weekly and having to wait until the nurse had time to give me the shot. I asked my doctor if he could prescribe it for ME to give to myself, and he said sure. He then had the nurse instruct me in how to give myself an IM injection properly. It was easy to learn, and I've never had a problem. The only drawback is that some people have a difficult time sticking a needle into themselves. I don't have that problem.
Sara
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium-Dear Sara.... posted by Sara on April 30, 2001 at 08:25:14:
Dear Sara,
Has your magnesium deficiency improved with the
injections?
I was just wondering how many I might need also do
you take calcium and magnesium supplements?
Sorry about all the questions, but I have not spoke to
anyone in my country with the same problem.
Thanks,
Sian
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium-Dear Sara.... posted by Sian on April 30, 2001 at 14:02:40:
Sian,
When I first started the mag. injections, yes, my deficiency improved. Currently I'm on chelation therapy for mercury toxicity, so I probably have a mag. deficiency right now. In fact, I just saw my doctor today and he said to increase the mag. injections to twice a week, because I'm showing signs of deficiency again. (Chelation therapy for heavy metals removes not just the bad stuff, but also some good stuff, like magnesium, calcium, and other beneficial minerals.)
I also take oral magnesium (in the morning, 800 mg.) and calcium (in the evening, 1-2 grams). With magnesium, glycinate, aspartate, and orotate are the most absorbable forms (and what Walt recommends); and calcium hydroxyapitate is the best calcium to take.
Don't feel that you need to apologize for the questions - that's what this board is all about!
Sara
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium posted by Sara on April 29, 2001 at 11:28:10:
Hi, Sara.
Sounds to me like the dilution of the injection is VERY low.
How much ELEMENTAL magnesium are you getting per injection and what is the volume?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium posted by Walt Stoll on May 01, 2001 at 07:55:10:
Walt,
What I was prescribed is mag. sulfate, 50% (0.5 g/mL), 1 gram/2 mL (4.06 mEq/mL magnesium). I inject 2 mL with 0.5 mL lidocaine. I'm assuming I'm getting 1 gram of mag. sulfate per injection?
Sara
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium - dilution posted by Sara on May 01, 2001 at 08:42:58:
Hi, Sara.
Yes, you are getting 1 gram of MAGNESIUM SULPHATE but not nearly 1 gram of elemental magnesium--which is the minimum that would ever get you to the place where you did not have to do this anymore (you could maintain your level orally).
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium - dilution (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 03, 2001 at 07:42:18:
Walt,
Okay, I'm stupid when it comes to conversions, the metric system, and math. Just how much elemental magnesium AM I getting if it's 4.06 mEq/mL per injection? I really wish you would have included that info. in your post.
Sara
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium - HOW much elemental mag? posted by Sara on May 03, 2001 at 08:43:01:
Hi, Sara.
It is not stupidity! It is just something you need to look up. I have not memorized these atomic weights either and would have to look it up FOR you.
Write down the chemical formula of exactly what you are taking. Go to the library reference section. Ask the librarian there for a "periodic table". Look up each element in the formula & write down it's atomic weight. Then you can easily figure out how much of each there is in the molecule. The lable on the bottle likely only gives you the total weight so you will have to figure out how much of that total is actually magnesium.
A good company puts, on the lable, not only the weight of the molecule but the amount of that weight that is the element itself; so you would not have to figure this all out.
I am not trying to be diffecult. I am doing my best to be helpful without doing what you are perfectly capable of doing yourself.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll......IM magnesium - HOW much elemental mag? posted by Sara on May 03, 2001 at 08:43:01:
Hi, Sara.
It is not stupidity! It is just something you need to look up. I have not memorized these atomic weights either and would have to look it up FOR you.
Write down the chemical formula of exactly what you are taking. Go to the library reference section. Ask the librarian there for a "periodic table". Look up each element in the formula & write down it's atomic weight. Then you can easily figure out how much of each there is in the molecule. The lable on the bottle likely only gives you the total weight so you will have to figure out how much of that total is actually magnesium.
A good company puts, on the lable, not only the weight of the molecule but the amount of that weight that is the element itself; so you would not have to figure this all out.
I am not trying to be diffecult. I am doing my best to be helpful without doing what you are perfectly capable of doing yourself.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
Addendum.
Another way would be to ask the doc who ordered the solution to figure it out for you. Be sure he tells you the Meq of the magnesium and not just of the total molecule. However, that will keep you forever dependent on the doc for this information.
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