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Dear Dr.Stoll,
I have been suffering from magnesium deficiency for
some time now and assumed it was due to
malabsorption although I have changed my diet and my
bowels have now improved. I have just had a 24hour
magnesium urine test. My result was 2.8 and it should
have been no more than 1.2. Any ideas why I am
wasting so much?
Kind regards
In Reply to: Magnesium wasting posted by Jack on July 10, 2001 at 07:46:03:
Aluminum can increase loss of Mg. This includes Al cookware, antiacids containing Al, antiperspirants, and unlined soft drink cans that contain Al.
Malic acid will increase absorption of Mg. Apples are rich in malic acid.
Judy
In Reply to: Magnesium wasting posted by Jack on July 10, 2001 at 07:46:03:
Wondering if the Mag urine test is similar to the B-12/urine
In Reply to: Magnesium wasting posted by Jack on July 10, 2001 at 07:46:03:
Hi, Jack.
How much magnesium were you taking at the time the urine specimen was taken? Did your doc ask you that?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting posted by Walt Stoll on July 11, 2001 at 07:21:22:
Dear Dr. Stoll
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting posted by Jack on July 11, 2001 at 08:09:58:
Thanks, Jack.
This narrows it down pretty well.
Normally this is a genetic OR kidney problem. Genetic research may not have advanced to the place where this can be explained. A good internal medicine diagnostician should be able to offer you the cutting edge approach till this research has been reported.
Until then, taking large doses of an easily absorbed kind of magnesium WILL help. Sure, you waste a lot but some does stick.
Sorry I cannot help more.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 12, 2001 at 10:26:57:
Dear Dr. Stoll, Kind regards
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting (Archive.) posted by Jack on July 12, 2001 at 13:04:50:
There was a woman who was on this BB a couple of years ago who required an IV shunt because of problems with Mg deficiency due to I believe celiac problems. She did a lot of research, and each thing she found out helped a little bit more. Some forms of Mg are more absorbable and utilized than others. Malic acid increases Mg absorbtion and utilization. I believe boron also increases absorbtion and utilization. (But I haven't done any research on possible side effects and contraindications of boron so you would need to in order to come up with the best plan.)
She also discovered that aluminum interferes with Mg. This can be the aluminum from antiperspirants, from cookware, and from soft drinks in cans. I'm not mentioning any brand names here, but one company doesn't line its Al soft drink cans. When she switched from her favorite soft drink in cans to plastic bottles, her Mg level came up to the normal range for the first time in years. The last I heard from her, her doctors were considering removing the shunt.
Anybody with certain bowel problems is at risk for not absorbing enough Mg. This includes Leaky Gut Syndrome as well as celiac problems.
I never had to use the IV, but I did have to have IM injections of Mg. I simply could not absorb enough from the pills in any form, even with malic acid. After a few years I got to the point where my overall health had improved to the point where I could use pills and was able to stop the shots.
Mg deficiency is a culprit in so many medical problems and symptoms - including some cases of asthma, some cases of high blood pressure, one type of kidney stone, an increased tendency to blood clots, poor immune system functioning, increased tendency to allergies, muscles spasms, insomnia, and nervousness. I hate to see anyone having problems with Mg deficiency, especially if they require shots, and even more so if they require IV Mg.
Modern agribusiness practices contribute to foods being poor in Mg. Crops are grown on land Mg has been deplete from, and overprocessing food often removes what little there is.
For more information on Mg deficiency, consult the work of Dr. Seelig, American College of Nutrition.
There are alternatives to having to stay on IVs or IM injections. Besides, the shots sting and your butt gets lumpy after a while. Judy
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting (Archive.) posted by Jack on July 12, 2001 at 13:04:50:
PWCs (People With CFIDS) tend to have problems with Mg deficiency. Part of it often has to do with the high rate of LGS among PWCs, but part of it may have to do with genetics.
I've observed that not only do PWCs tend to have problems with Mg deficiency, but our genetic relatives who don't have CFIDS also tend to suffer from conditions linked to Mg deficiency.
Even when a condition is genetic and its exact mechanism unknown, it often can be helped and prevented from manifesting as severely as it otherwise would.
I may always need to be on pills, but they sure beat the shots. Or, once we move and we can grow more of our own food, I may find that growing foods rich in Mg in soil which has enough Mg may enable me to stop the pills.
Judy
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting (Archive.) posted by Judy on July 12, 2001 at 16:18:21:
There is a doctor in Texas, Mary Ann Block, DO, who is using a sublingual form of Mg with good results. She deals with children and allergies. Hope this may help as a temporary patch. Pam
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting (Archive.) posted by pam on July 12, 2001 at 21:50:23:
Thanks. I didn't know about this. That would help to get around any gut problems with absorption.
Judy
In Reply to: Thanks posted by Judy on July 12, 2001 at 22:40:21:
Hi, I recently had a magnesium 24 hour urine test and this
In Reply to: For Pam and Judy posted by Jack on July 13, 2001 at 07:48:02:
My friend is celiac. She was requiring IV Mg so often that her doctors finally installed a shunt. Even with the frequent IV Mg, her Mg never came up to normal - until she discovered the way Al interfers with Mg absorption and utilization. The malic acid and I believe boron also helped, but in her case the eliminating sources of aluminum was critical.
Some people and families appear to have increased need for Mg and inefficiency absorbing and using it. Members of my family are like this. I got hit particularly hard (though not as bad as you) due to the co-factor of also having the LGS problems.
We hear a lot about calcium deficiency in the media, but IMO, the problems with Mg deficiency among the general population (not just people with CFIDS, celiac disease, etc.) dwarfs the problems with Ca deficiency. Mg plays such a big role in the body, and Mg deficiency can be a co-factor in so many health problems.
Judy
In Reply to: Re: For Pam and Judy posted by Judy on July 13, 2001 at 09:47:26:
Way to go, Judy! The correlation between calcium/magnesium is very often totally missed. Misdirection of calcium in the system can be caused by lack of enough magnesium (plus other vital things like Vit D/D3).
I traded in my cadillac of aluminum cooking pans 35 years ago in favor of stainless steel waterless cookware, and have never regretted that decision. And now that Alzheimer's is being linked to aluminum, I'm especially grateful for that early knowledge. Folks forget that soft drinks (which I don't use) are usually in aluminum cans, also, as are a lot of canned goods, not to mention deoderants, on ad nauseum.
It makes sense that aluminum in the system could affect calcium/magnesium levels!
In Reply to: Re: Magnesium wasting (Archive.) posted by Jack on July 12, 2001 at 13:04:50:
Thanks, everyone, for the great information.
Namaste`
Walt
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Posted by Jack on July 11, 2001 at 08:09:58:
I was not taking any magnesium.
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Posted by Jack on July 12, 2001 at 13:04:50:
Thank you for your kind advice. I have been referred
today to a Nephologist for tests and told I may have to
have magnesium IV for life. Magnesium supplements
help but I find it difficult to take a high dose because of
the laxative effect.
Jack
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Magnesium deficiency in families
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Posted by Judy on July 12, 2001 at 22:40:21:
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For Pam and Judy
Posted by Jack on July 13, 2001 at 07:48:02:
I am celiac and have been since the start of the
magnesium problem. However being on a strict diet
and taking magnesium and having IM injections has
not corrected it. If it was caused by malabsorption
alone I think I would now be feeling better and also the
urine test would be showing a reduction in magnesium
output.
showed that my kidneys are dramatically wasting it. I
am now waiting tests to find out more.
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