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About the Milk (one more time)

Posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 13:27:34:

Hi Dr. Stoll and all,
I’m reading Dr. Airola’s “Every woman’s book” and I’m a bit confused about his approach to a healthy diet. I found a discussion in the archive about it, so I know that I’m not the only one confused and I understand that there isn’t a perfect diet for all of us.
My big question is again about the milk. Dr. Airola states that milk should be consumed (those who can tolerate it which is my case). He includes milk in almost every meal that he suggests. I also know that cow’s milk is high in phosphorus and low in calcium, which makes it bad food for people. So what would be the benefit of consuming milk?
Dr. Airola gives for example healthy nations (Russians and Bulgarians) who have high dairy consumption and live long healthy lives. I myself am Bulgarian and I am thought that there is nothing better then the Bulgarian milk and Bulgarian feta cheese (lactose bulgaricus). In fact the Bulgarians don’t seat on the table without these products. But they also are heavy pork consumers. And the worst part is that they cook everything with pork fat and this is true for centuries…. So, I’m really confused here especially since Dr. Airola is against consuming meat.
Cathy



Re: About the Milk (one more time)

Posted by GG on May 22, 2003 at 17:10:20:

In Reply to: About the Milk (one more time) posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 13:27:34:

Milk is a very healthy food providing it is unpastureized and preferably fermented in the form of yogurt or kefir. Check the Weston A. Prince Website to find out more.

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Incorrect nutrient info on milk

Posted by IKE on May 22, 2003 at 19:29:10:

In Reply to: About the Milk (one more time) posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 13:27:34:

Milk is higher in calcium than phosphorus, in fact has the perfect ratio of 1.2 to 1. Who told you milk is low in calcium?



Re: Incorrect nutrient info on milk

Posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 22:15:08:

In Reply to: Incorrect nutrient info on milk posted by IKE on May 22, 2003 at 19:29:10:

This is what Dr. Stoll explains about cow's milk (found in the archive):

"Dairy products are among the poorest sources of calcium that exist—in spite of the dairy industry trying to cash in on the current calcium panic about osteoporosis. You need to know that calcium is balanced with phosphorus via the parathyroid glands. In the human, calcium is high and phosphorus is low (in blood and milk). The higher the calcium, the lower the phosphorus gets and vice versa. In cows, the phosphorus is high and the calcium is low (in blood and milk). So, the more cow’s milk you get, the more phosphorus you get (in relationship to calcium) and the lower your human blood and milk calcium will be. Cow’s milk is “nature’s perfect food” for cows and human milk is “nature’s perfect food” for humans. If you are serious about finding the foods that are good sources of calcium, you will have to go to the library & ask the reference librarian for a book that lists foods along with their mineral content. Look for those foods with high calcium and low phosphorus. You will find that cow’s milk is the opposite."

http://www.hps-online.com/foodprof3.htm

"Cow's milk contains 118 mg of calcium in every 100 grams, compared to 33 mg/100 grams in human milk. But cow's milk also contains 97 mg phosphorus/100 grams, compared to only 18 mg in human milk. Phosphorus combines with calcium in the digestive tract and actually blocks its assimilation.

Cow's milk also contains 50 mg sodium/100 grams, compared with only 16 mg in human milk, so dairy products are probably one of the most common sources of excess sodium in the modern Western diet. "

There are many others who state the same.
And also there are many other facts against the cow's milk.

This is why I'm confused.

Cathy




I have no idea where he gets his information

Posted by IKE on May 22, 2003 at 22:31:13:

In Reply to: Re: Incorrect nutrient info on milk posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 22:15:08:

But it's wrong. Here's just one recent study, there are many more.

Am J Clin Nutr 2002 Dec;76(6):1345-50 Related Articles, Links


Relative bioavailability of calcium-rich dietary sources in the elderly.

Martini L, Wood RJ.

Mineral Bioavailability Laboratory, Jean Mayer US Department of Agriculture Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University, Boston.

BACKGROUND: The recent increase in the dietary calcium recommendation from 800 to 1200 mg/d for persons aged > 51 y has made it important to identify alternative high-calcium dietary sources that the elderly can use in meeting their calcium requirement. OBJECTIVE: We determined the bioavailability of calcium from 3 different sources: orange juice fortified with calcium-citrate malate, skim milk, and a calcium carbonate supplement. DESIGN: Twelve subjects [9 women and 3 men with a mean (+/- SEM) age of 70 +/- 3 and 76 +/- 6 y, respectively] consumed low-calcium (300 mg/d) and high-calcium (1300 mg/d) diets for three 1-wk periods each during a 6-wk crossover study. The acute biochemical response to calcium from each of the 3 sources was assessed during a 4-h period after the initial breakfast meal of the high-calcium diet. RESULTS: Postprandial suppression of serum parathyroid hormone did not differ significantly between the test meals containing calcium-fortified orange juice, the calcium carbonate supplement, and milk. This finding suggests that the calcium bioavailability from the 3 sources was equivalent. During the 1-wk high-calcium diet periods, fasting serum calcium increased by 3% (P < 0.0001), serum 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D decreased by 20% (P < 0.0001), and a biomarker of bone resorption (serum N-telopeptide collagen cross-links) decreased by 14% (P < 0.02) compared with the low-calcium diet period. However, no differences among the supplemental calcium sources were found in these calcium-responsive measures or fasting serum parathyroid hormone concentration. CONCLUSIONS: In elderly subjects, the calcium bioavailability of the 3 high-calcium dietary sources tested was equivalent, during both the acute postprandial and longer-term periods

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Cooking with pork fat

Posted by R. on May 23, 2003 at 01:11:47:

In Reply to: About the Milk (one more time) posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 13:27:34:

And the worst part is that they cook everything with pork fat and this is true for centuries

And why is this bad?

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Re: About the Milk (one more time)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 07:50:08:

In Reply to: About the Milk (one more time) posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 13:27:34:

Hi, Cathy.

There is no diet that is perfect for everyone. Dairy without hormones and antibiotics is not a bad food for everyone. Dairy is a "whole food".

I do not agree with everything Paavo says but, in balance, what he says is so much of an improvement over the average American diet.......

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Incorrect nutrient info on milk

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 07:51:08:

In Reply to: Incorrect nutrient info on milk posted by IKE on May 22, 2003 at 19:29:10:

IKE.

You are mixing human milk up with cow's milk.

Walt

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Re: Incorrect nutrient info on milk (Archive in milk.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 07:52:37:

In Reply to: Re: Incorrect nutrient info on milk posted by Cathy on May 22, 2003 at 22:15:08:

Thanks, Cathy.

Walt

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