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My little girl is now 15 months old now and I have recently started to give her raw goat's milk instead of the nutramigen she had since she was 4 months.
I've read the opnions on milk on this site and it all seems quite scary. Obviously raw milk is better than pasteurised but it seems that Dr Stoll is recommending NO dairy at all? Not even raw milk?
What is recommended than for a baby who still likes some milk during her day? Also I really like kefir and drink a glass a day for the healthy bacteria. Should I stop drinking it all together?
Thanks
In Reply to: 15 month old and milk posted by Andrea [467.18] on July 06, 2004 at 09:23:03:
lots of brands and flavors of soy milk on the market, but, if you don't go for soy, nut milk is easy.
Put one cup raw nuts (walnuts, almonds, pecans-whatever (peanuts shouldn't be used raw) in a blender with 4 cups of water. Blend until it looks like milk. Strain, Refrigerate- it tastes MUCH better cold-small amount of honey, maple, stevia,rice syrup can be added to make it sweeter.
Don't waste the nut goop left over- add it to oatmeal,burgers, meatloaf, pancake batter, or mix it into the dog's food
In Reply to: 15 month old and milk posted by Andrea [467.18] on July 06, 2004 at 09:23:03:
Another Soy Tragedy
Our six-year-old daughter has small developing breasts and strong underarm odor. The diagnosis is premature sexual development. I consumed soy products, especially soy milk, for twelve years, including during the time I was pregnant and nursing. Our daughter then consumed soy directly for three years. When she was three years old, I noticed an underarm odor but didn't pay much attention to it. At two years old, she suffered a leg stress fracture, but that did not set off alarm bells. Both our girls weighed thirty pounds at a year old so they tend to be chubby, but when she was 4 1/2 years old, it was clear that our daughter was starting to develop breasts.
It finally hit home when I read the Soy Alert! articles. Her endocrine system had received soy estrogens from the beginning and was grossly out of balance. My husband and I have felt much grief with this situation. Searching the Internet, my husband turned up lots of information pointing out just what I've read in these pages about the dangers of soy.
Now we are consulting with a physician in our area who knows about the soy problems and the principles of good diet. He has given glandular supplements to my daughter but so far this has not arrested her premature development. I was also affected by the soy. My hormones have been on a roller coaster and I found I had virtually no iron in my bone marrow. I was severely anemic. After two months of iron supplements, I hemorrhaged, making matters quite serious. I read the women's health issue of Wise Traditions and immediately started taking vitamins A and D which stopped the heavy periods. And I realized how important it was to me that my physician know about the principles of good nutrition, so I switched to the physician we were consulting for our daughter. It has been almost nine months but I am getting better, building myself back up. My hormonal swings are much less extreme and my energy is slowly returning.
Fifteen years ago I kept two Jersey cows. After I sold them and moved, I didn't know where to find good raw milk and I knew I couldn't stomach the store-bought variety. One of the biggest and most far reaching mistakes in my life was to turn to "healthy" soy milk. It has turned out to be a poison in our family. We are grateful for the work you are doing at the Weston A. Price Foundation and thank you for your wonderful publication, Wise Traditions.
JH of NH
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by WildCard [15.179] on July 06, 2004 at 10:05:20:
Isn't obesity and hormonal issues alone (which this person seemed to have in her children from the beginning) the reason they were developing early?
I know of people with "chubby" babies who do develop early and it isn't always a milk-thang.
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by WildCard [15.179] on July 06, 2004 at 10:05:20:
hi-I've been on soy for about 20 years, my family for 15 years. We have no early puberty (which is associated with a high percentage of refined carbohydrates in the diet).
Early puberty is epidemic in our society, it's not limited to soy users. Breasts were being developed even by little boys in Puerto Rico due to hormones in chicken there, but two MD's named Thrash, in Diabetes and the Hypoglycemic Syndrome,examined cultures with rapid changes in diet- Eskimos after the Alaskan highway opened, pacific islanders who began trading with the west after WW2 and Yemenite Jews who were thrown out of Yemen when Israel formed and resettled in Israel-they found all groups had a huge increase in their refined carb intake- the Eskimo girls puberty age fell from 19 to 13 in the course of 10-15 years.
The issue the Thrashes didn't address was that these were all seafood eating cultures, so I imagine their omega 3 intake was severely reduced., but I would think those people would've still eaten a lot more fish than the average American. Anyway, cut refined carbs and consider boosting fish or flax oil to avoid precocious puberty.
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by Michele [20.15] on July 06, 2004 at 10:21:37:
I hit puberty at 8, (now 35) wearing a bra at 9, pubic hair the whole bit. never was fed soy but a lousy diet and mom didnt breast feed so....
In Reply to: 15 month old and milk posted by Andrea [467.18] on July 06, 2004 at 09:23:03:
Andrea,
"No dairy at all" only if the child has been proven to be hypersensitive to dairy.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 07, 2004 at 06:56:44:
Thank you Dr Stoll. I would like to ask you what you would personally recommend for a baby who is not breastfed?
Also I was wondering, do you have any dairy in your diet? If so, do you have a preference in regards to goat/cow milk and raw/pasteurised?
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by Andrea [467.18] on July 07, 2004 at 20:27:13:
Thanks, Andrea.
If there is any indication of hypersensitivity, I would use nut milks.
Personally, every time I use diary, my diabetes goes out of control. So, I tend to just avoid all of it.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 08, 2004 at 07:43:28:
Walt - why is milk so hard on the blood sugar? is it because of the milk sugar? I am surprised to learn that milk could affect diabetics so badly. As one who is trying to keep my blood sugar under control to avoid developing diabetes, as well as weight control, had thought maybe milk was bad from the fat content point of view; oh and the hormone content too of course.... But now you have mentioned the connection with diabetes you've got me worried. Are Rice Milk, Soy and Almond Milk good substitutes? What else do you use to substitute.
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by Andrea [467.18] on July 07, 2004 at 20:27:13:
I was raised on whole, raw milk until my teens when it was no longer
available (illegal in my state). Then got pasteurized and homogenized milk.
Then at age 22 I got salmonella from bad eggs, and took a lot of penicllin.
Since then I've cut way down on milk consumption. At middle age, I now have
a lot of health problems including overweight and insulin resistance. Also
candida, and the beginnings of osteoporosis. I think this is all related to
giving up on good raw milk from grass-fed, pasture-raised cows. I've been
missing out things present in raw milk of this type: CLA (a good fat which
helps to control blood sugar as well as fat metabolism) and valuable
enzymes and immune factors (milk's short-chain fatty acids are anti-
microbial, and lacto-bacteria. also, milk has the right balance of minerals for
maximum absorption of needed calcium and magnesium.
Normal grocery store milk, even 3.8% milk, is a fairly refined product. First it
is pasteurized to kill the bacteria--good and bad bugs. Then it is broken
down into its constituent main products: two proteins (casein and whey) are
separated, as is the milk-fat and the milk sugar (lactose). then the milk is
recombined using the components desired by the manufacturer (for example,
this is how the fat level is ensured as fat-free, 1%, 2%, 3.8%, etc). Casein has
industrial use (glues and paints) and so a good portion is sold off. also both
the proteins are denatured by this process, making them not bio-available. If
the fat is added back to the reconstitued millk, it is homogenized, which
means it is passed thru extremely fine filters to make the particles very small
so they will remain dispersed in the milk. This reduces its bio-availablility,
and possibly harmful.
I'm now lobbying to make sale of raw milk legal in my state, and am
encouraging local dairies to raise their cows on pasture grass as much as
possible. In the meantime, I've been using goat milk and coconut milk.
Coconut milk is very good tasting and has similar short-chain fatty acids as in
animal milk. This seems to help a lot with my candida problem. I avoid soy
milk altogether. It is a highly refined food (read the label list of ingredients).
In Reply to: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? posted by Wendy [1540.1236] on July 09, 2004 at 00:47:37:
I'm not aware milk is hard on blood sugar. Raw milk from pasture-fed cows
has a fat called CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) which has properties to reduce
insulin resistance and help regulate blood sugar. It also helps in fat
meetabolism, reducing the amount of fat that is stored.
but I can see how pasteurized, homogenized milk could cause trouble with
blood sugar, as it is devoid of bio-activity.
Lactose is a sugar needed in the intestines to support healthy bacteria
colonies (acidophilus, etc). good raw milk contains the enzymes (lactases)
needed to digest the lactose properly. Lactose has a lower glycemic index
than glucose and so is better than glucose as a food substance.
In Reply to: Re: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? posted by Cat [485.1077] on July 09, 2004 at 11:30:25:
Thanks for your information.
I was replying to Dr. Stoll - who had said of himself:
>>Personally, every time I use diary, my diabetes goes out of control. So, I tend to just avoid all of it.
This is intriguing to me and I would love to hear the reasoning behind this ?
In Reply to: 15 month old and milk posted by Andrea [467.18] on July 06, 2004 at 09:23:03:
You might want to peruse
In Reply to: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? posted by Wendy [1540.1236] on July 09, 2004 at 00:47:37:
Wendy,
This is only true in genetically susceptible individuals who are hypersensitive to the protein (not the sugar) in dairy. Children that are especially hypersensitive actually have been proven to have their type 1 diabetes caused directly by this effect upon their beta cells in the pancreas. People who are less genetically susceptible will not show the relationship until later in life---like me.
At this time, the genetic tests are not available to reliably pick out which person fits this profile. Therefore the only way to figure it out is by a therapeutic trial of total dariy elimination for a few weeks.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: 15 month old and milk posted by Cat [485.1077] on July 09, 2004 at 11:22:08:
Thanks, Cat.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? (Archive in diabetes.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 10, 2004 at 06:28:53:
How interesting, now I know why my children & I are so affected by dairy, blood sugar crashes! Hopefully it is fine to eat every now & again?
In Reply to: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? posted by Wendy [1540.1236] on July 09, 2004 at 00:47:37:
Thank you very much for this priceless information Walt, which I have also now passed on to a diabetic I know. I also now know how wise my mind/body has become, for I had recently instinctively almost eliminated milk from my diet without really knowing why. And had also then not made any connection between my going back to incorporating more milk and the huge bread and sugar cravings/swings I have had subsequently.
Wendy
In Reply to: Re: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? (Archive in diabetes.) posted by Aston [31.829] on July 11, 2004 at 15:53:36:
Thanks, Anston.
If you are all hypersensitive, you should be able to tell the difference when you totally eliminate it for a couple of weeks and when you are eating it.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: diabetes and milk connection? Dr. Stoll ? (Archive in diabetes.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 12, 2004 at 08:11:27:
Yes, its the difference between chaos & calm! :)
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